Hey guys I've been reading the posts and trying to learn about the hahn, star and now the ner turbo setups. I actually found a toyota ct26 turbo of an old supra. I designed a manifold and piping. I just wonder why so many people fall pray to the market. I understand people dont have all the resourses that I have had in the past. I spent a majority on my money on the lower block and controllers wategate and blow off. Other than that a couple of trick things that stand out, cartech fuel pressure reg (welded to the lower battery tray), oil gate for supply and after market guage reading and local guage. There are so many things I have done. The hardest part I found was trying to get the car from running rich. Welp Ive about got it figured out. I plan to do a full post with pics and show everone what I have done, I just dont understand why everyone goes with the bought set ups. I know some things are good and some are not but thats just my thoughts. I recently met up with some guys from houston, and its cool because all of them eventually will go turbo. Its kinda nice to meet up with people who have the same ideas and like the same shit. Well anyways just wanted to tell everyone when you do this drastic shit to you car you dont have to go by the rules. I plan on this turbo taking me into the 12's. Just remember go out of the box (mainstream). plus its kinda like something you can call your own. I'll see if dino can print up some shit on here for me late mike

stage BIG custom mj racing turbo set up, built block.worked head,all tial components, hks evcez,spearco 992,oh yeah and a huge bottle in the trunk last run all turbo 13.8@108 no nos dyno'd at AEBS in Cali with 300+ hp to the wheels

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A lot of people go with whats on the market because thats what the majority does. Not a lot of people have the resources to make there own turbo setup. Plus with a company like Hahn you can't go wrong. They give you dyno results, its been tuned specifically for that engine, and they have used it in real world apps and competition. Now we got the NER kit coming out with lots of choices to choose from, can't wate to see there numbers and video. With a kit on the market you get reliability, enginuity, and test proven results. Not saying your "back yard kit" will get some great numbers. Your kit might be perfect for your needs. But if I was getting a kit I want numbers, test proven performance, reliability, and most importantlly tech support. But good luck with your kit. Who knows maybe you will have the next kit on the market. Good luck to you Bro! Can't wate to see what you have in store.

no more 420A

only 4G63

damn dino,i am on cable modem and dem pix are loading slow... shrink em at all?

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GOOD LORD, You have ctreated a monster. What kind of times you looking at. That sh!t is crazy. Like I said you could be the next one to have a kit on the market. Looks nice, insane, but nice!!!!!

no more 420A

only 4G63

I had a chance to see the car when i was visiting texas, its beautiful.. Fast as hell, just needs a lot of tuning. from what i was told it's a low 13 high 12 second car if i remember right. i was very very unsober that nite tho.

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its a monster...hehehe

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I like what mike said. It's something to call your own. BTW Dino, I've flopped back to the starion IC instead of that other ... turns out it's in a not so good condition (plus it's a little small).

-"Easy Mac"
05 Mazda RX-8 (RR8 #88)
99 Eclipse RS 398whp & 372lb-ft

I think I found my new best friend..hehe

props. that shit looks really nice!!

03 srt-4 13.130@112.47mph (n2o, stock turbo, 10/2003)
now: 20g, portfueler, bpu+++ (track/dyno times tbd...)

i farted on your wiki

I wish I was talented enough to build my own system:(

Toney
'97 RS 5 Speed (totaled)
15.4606@88.42 Mph
96 Toyota Celica GT
88 Toyota Supra NA-T (w/ sports package)
Got Boost?? Hell yeah I-6 turbo powah baby!

*drools*

Is this the "Mike Jury" guy that I have been hearing about?

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98 ESi
95 GS

yep

Original 15 of 2gnt.com

Indeed it is.

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sad part is? I met the guy too, for the first time with sean when he was here from florida, and this guy is NUTS! lol! That fuckin car is FASSSSSSSSSSST as hell and MAJORLY untuned! Man I cant IMAGINE how that fucker will run when it is finally tuned and running smooth! Right now the car runs like a geo metro with a dodge v-10 motor forced into the engine bay that mofo shakes so bad! Man that car is fast and looks just as good as it flies down the highway! MAJOR props to mike j. Keep it runnin!

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1997 RS

WEEEEEE!

he looks like someone too.... cant place my movie on it.

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it doesnt matter if he looks like someone by an inch or a mile, winning is winning.

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1997 RS

WEEEEEE!

At first, I (as many others here have inquired) thought going the custom turbo route would be a feasible goal. However, after doing a lot of research on parts pricing, and reading some turbocharging books, it become much more clear to me that going in that direction would be an unwise decision.

Merely finding core components that would save dollars such as an exhaust manifold and a turbo with all the extras, not only didn't make sense from a dollars standpoint, but included troublesome issues regarding parts accessibility, technical know-how, turbo interchangeability and the need for instructions or technical assistance in completing a technically involved installation. If the only thing involved were slapping on the turbo, oil lines, exhaust manifold and downpipe, I'd agree with your point. However, when you include the other more important parts of the install, including fuel lines, the resulting connections, overhauling the stock fuel returnless fuel system, and including a need for a fuel cut defenser, the job gets daunting, tenuous, and expensive.

Sometimes, it indeed is worth it to spend a little more money for a quality fit and finish. And as nice as your system looks (and am sure is from a reliability standpoint), I'm sure it required a lot of knowhow and thrift from finding the needed parts. Moreover, the finish of the product doesn't appears as aesthetically pleasing, and the accessibility of the turbo, also doesn't seem user-friendly(with the a wastegate pipe channeled right over the compressor).

I applaud your work, but from my own personal calculations and observations, I just don't agree with any proposition that encourages people to pursue turbocharging by way of any custom turbo setup (unless you're a "mechanic" with a lot of performance parts at your beck and call). The only true savings I found was from doing the install myself. Other than that, there really is little savings to be found.

Even if the whole "stage 1" backyard system is attainable for less than ~$1500, is that cost savings worth the potential nightmare results? (many quality turbos, by themselves, can cost brand new at about $700-$1100)

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Jason ESi-T

04' BMW 325Ci
91' Nissan 240SX
98' Eagle Talon ESi (sold)

Jason had me thinking when I read that....


What about the electronics involved in Jurys' car? Such as the ECU and such? I remember deeeno having to adjust some things with the ECU on both his and Joe's car during the installs.....could this be some reasons of why he is running like an escort at 60mph down the highway?

Jason = You had some very, very good points. I agree 100%. Then again, I also am amazed at the macGuyver skills this duuuggg posseses....this guy could turbo a 1976 YUGO with a toothbrush and a half-cup of baking soda!


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1997 RS

WEEEEEE!

I dont know where your getting turbos at. Believe me I ve had people come up to me and tell me how much theve spent on mototrs turbos and all kinds of crazy shit. bottom line ball bearing t3 t4 go for about 450$ in cali. I just feel alot of people are getting ripped the fuck off. These systems are so easy. Ive known people who complain about buying parts for thier cars(and i think to myself jeez I just spent 700 bucks last year on a tool box). but anyways your negative comments are taken and appreciated. By the way my junk ass set up runs at 9 psi normal and around 16 psi with the boost controller on. what kit can do that? late mike

stage BIG custom mj racing turbo set up, built block.worked head,all tial components, hks evcez,spearco 992,oh yeah and a huge bottle in the trunk last run all turbo 13.8@108 no nos dyno'd at AEBS in Cali with 300+ hp to the wheels

I commend your backyard setup. I really do. It does take a bit of knowledge to set something like this up. It also takes time, patience, and skill which not everyone has or wants to deal with.

That being said, I still support Jason on this one. I am going to use your statement of saying you can run 16psi on your setup as a perfect example. A CT-26 is smaller than a 16G. It is a rather small turbo that falls off on the top end (for MR-2's it does) and produces a lot of hot air at high boost levels which will limit its lifespan at the same time creating unecessary extra heat. It was designed similar to the T-25 on a second gen 4G63 to have quick spool up for daily driving and the average consumer who did not like the turbo lag feeling. MR-2 ( I know yours if from a Supra but please spare me the grief of explaining why that does not matter) guys get excited when they make around 240rwhp at 17psi. The turbo on the Japanese spec 3GSE is the CT20B which is capable of high 200's rwhp. In fact, I find it absolutely amazing that you would need an external wastegate to control a turbo that comes from the factory with an internal and does not flow enough to warrant an external. You have to run 16psi on that turbo to make comparable power of a S16G at 10-12psi. I am not even going to mention what a T03/T04E would make as it is a different league. The research put in by the manufacturers let them know this when designing the kit.

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thats cool sounds like you guys both work for hahn or star? Well rather than tactfully bitching at each other I say we could learn from each other. The turbo I have recieved a stage one upgrade from turbochargers.com. The wastegate port has been plugged. The 11 bar wastegate opens up at 9psi. The reason for getting rid of the internal was to get away from as many toyota parts as possible. Do you guys have a pressure guage for the oil to your turbos? And if so how did you run it? Some of the houston crew are going to run set ups like mine. I was just wondering. The reason I did what I did was the location of where I worked. I worked for will rells rpm in chula vista cali. I got my hands into some pretty serious shit. I've done chassis work and alot of aftermarket turbos on trucks, hondas, and you name it. If you guys know about drag racing you know about Pat Musi ( he was the first to hit the 200mph mark in a doorslammer) popeye The green camaro. Well will rells built that car. He is on the cutting edge of the import world. He recently built the all tube frame chassis nsx that was for adam saruwatari. But the deal went bad and we went to court for 2 years. Well if any one is interested go to www.urbanracer.com and look at the sema show nov3-4 coverage. The jotech front clip was designed while I was there. Its full carbon fiber and wiegh in at under 17 lbs. Well anyways guys I gotta roll late mike

stage BIG custom mj racing turbo set up, built block.worked head,all tial components, hks evcez,spearco 992,oh yeah and a huge bottle in the trunk last run all turbo 13.8@108 no nos dyno'd at AEBS in Cali with 300+ hp to the wheels

Learning from each other is a key point here.

We're all friends here. Mike definately has some valid points. It's good to do these things yourself, honestly it's not difficult when it comes down to it. it gives you that feeling that it's YOURS, and if you have the right resources (like working at Rells Performance / RPM) you can certainly save yourself some money, and have the perfect kit for your car.

Jason and Murix also have some valid points. Mike, your car was down for 8 months while you did that and other things. Most of the guys here are younger and these are thier daily drivers; they can't afford that kind of downtime. They also don't have access to the kind of resources you do/did. Certainly, i wish I could go back and do it all over.. i'd do it like yours. I know i could, now. Most of these guys have never owned a turbocharged car before, and they don't know much about them. Nothing wrong with that. That's why we're here. But when it comes to simplicity, that's where these kits are nice: You don't have to know the first thing about turbocharing an internal combustion engine to install one of these. Follow the instructions.

Anyway .. What you did is badass. Be proud of it! Just realize that it's not right for everybody.

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Like I said, I do commend him for doing what he did. Dino posted dead on so not much to say but lots to learn.

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Well point taken. I realize I might be harsh in what I say but I also feel that paople get pissed because they already bought it and bla bla bla anyways I've got the part numbers and all that shit for the oil gate and a little line left over. So you and joe need to hook up asap and let me know I also found another local guage for the fuel rail w/ the xtention so who wants it? late mike

stage BIG custom mj racing turbo set up, built block.worked head,all tial components, hks evcez,spearco 992,oh yeah and a huge bottle in the trunk last run all turbo 13.8@108 no nos dyno'd at AEBS in Cali with 300+ hp to the wheels

thanx for letting me have it dino.... =-P yo mike ill call u soon to hook up on doing the setup. i finally getting my new manifold today! cya

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1997 RS

WEEEEEE!

Murix, nice post None the less very impressive *homemade Kit*. But the CT-26 is like Murix said...a lot like the t-25 HOWEVER, you can have it upgraded with larger wheel etc...much like the T-25, to the T-28, which will indeed be something to look into. Also the JDM spec turbo I believe is a CT-26, it's just cermaic. My friend just recently droped the JDM engine in his NA MR2.

Derek

New Toy


Old toy: 1997 GS-T
8.4@87 1/8th pump/street tires

He already has the wheel upgraded.

His setup is twice as impressive when you see it in person.

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Mike..? Is that you ? (rpm) So you finally slapped on the turbo huh.. well it's about time. What happened to RPM anyway... I heard they took a fall.. something about Adam S.? Get back to me..
Rick Paguio

//935DRAGGERS 420A turbo.

Oh shit.. small world! Rick, you know this guy?

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Wow, Congrats dude. I love DIYers!

As a person that has spent $-shitloads-$ on perfromance parts over the years, I can appreciate what you have achieved. (even though I saved a TON of money by installing 100% of my parts, including engines, turbos etc..).

I would probably go your route too next time, it's just that I knew *nothing* about turbos when I started, and learnt along the way while installing my kit. This is also why people buy kits. They just can't do the research based on *theory*.

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Yea.. he was part of www.teamtotaleclipse.com from san diego. He built his motor first (bottom end) and then he turbo'ed it. the guy who built his motor was the same guy that built one of my motors. I had some work done at RPM before. They're the ones that did the piping for my Apex intercooler. Good well rounded shop. They could do anything there.. matter of fact.. they were building tube frame track cars for everybody runnin in the quick 8. One of the owners.. Wil.. knows his shit .. and the guy that used to own the wide body gsx with the starion fenders, you've prolly seen it.. it's the chamelion one with autocannon on the side of it, was part owner of RPM. So this shop was building Eclipses left and right. They were doing it all boy.. turbocharging trucks and anything with cylinders. These guys would turbocharge a baby's stroller. But yea.. I met Mike at several shows down here in san diego and LA. btw.. import tuner party was off the hook last night.

Hey rick not much is going on these days, the shop moved to spring valley I'll tell ya more about it monday. The web site is down as well. I heard you let joe in your crew? Did he get rid of the stickers? get back to me late mike

stage BIG custom mj racing turbo set up, built block.worked head,all tial components, hks evcez,spearco 992,oh yeah and a huge bottle in the trunk last run all turbo 13.8@108 no nos dyno'd at AEBS in Cali with 300+ hp to the wheels

Yea.. Joe is in. He came to two meetings and got voted it because everyone liked his car... plus he was doing some of our interiors. Is there something I should know about him? He blew his airbags out on the way to HID so he was riding LOW on the way to Maximum showoff and tore up his bumpers and damaged his rims. He seems to be a cool guy.. never asked him why he doesn't rep with you guys anymore. So where are you located now? How is it you get to kick it with the Texas boys? Get back to me.. rpaguio@chsd.org

Hey guys whats up. Here's the deal while I worked at the shop in Cali I had a friend who welded for me who also had a 97 talon. Well as we were building my car we started on his. But now he has backed out and wants to sell all his stuff. Here are the parts for sale. tial wastegate 11 bar ( 9 psi). je pistons 20 over. stock block, 2 heads one with a massive port the other stock, manual tranny,manifold set up for a t3/t4 and odds and ends of other stuff. Hit me up let me know. mike

stage BIG custom mj racing turbo set up, built block.worked head,all tial components, hks evcez,spearco 992,oh yeah and a huge bottle in the trunk last run all turbo 13.8@108 no nos dyno'd at AEBS in Cali with 300+ hp to the wheels