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toykillaNov-08-01 03:04 PM
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#8998, "5krpm screwing up...?"




          

Today I installed my Aeromotive FPR. Its great, it actually keeps the fuel pressure at what I set it at unlike the HRC thing. Also my boost controller started working again for like the 4th time and I took the car out and as I was trying to see how the car handled at 9psi boost the car started bogging down at 5krpms. 1k-4.9krpms its fine...5k-5.5krpms it bogs down 5.6k-7.2k its fine. A ton of power during all rpms except 5-5.5k. Whats happening here? I had my fuel pressure gauge in my face and its getting 110psi. Thats pretty much what it should be according to HRC but why is it screwing up at 5k?? Ive tried everything I can possibly think of with my S-AFC...leaning it out and richening it up but nothing. Still bogs at 5k. I would think its the injecters but at 6k its fine. Why just at 5k? Any thoughts would be GREAT..thanks!!

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RE: 5krpm screwing up...?, TeamJasonESi_T, Nov-08-01 04:07 PM, #1
RE: 5krpm screwing up...?, toykilla, Nov-08-01 05:38 PM, #2
      RE: 5krpm screwing up...?, toykilla, Nov-08-01 05:39 PM, #3
           RE: 5krpm screwing up...?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Nov-09-01 07:09 AM, #4
                RE: 5krpm screwing up...?, TeamJasonESi_T, Nov-09-01 08:19 AM, #5
                     RE: 5krpm screwing up...?, toykilla, Nov-09-01 09:47 AM, #6
                          RE: 5krpm screwing up...?, toykilla, Nov-09-01 11:01 AM, #7
                               RE: 5krpm screwing up...?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Nov-09-01 11:52 AM, #8
                                    RE: 5krpm screwing up...?, toykilla, Nov-10-01 09:08 AM, #9
                                         RE: 5krpm screwing up...?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Nov-10-01 09:59 AM, #10
                                              RE: 5krpm screwing up...?, toykilla, Nov-10-01 02:49 PM, #11
                                                   RE: 5krpm screwing up...?, toykilla, Nov-10-01 02:49 PM, #12
                                                        HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long), TeamJasonESi_T, Nov-10-01 04:56 PM, #13
                                                             RE: HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long), toykilla, Nov-10-01 07:31 PM, #14
                                                                  RE: HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long), toykilla, Nov-10-01 07:57 PM, #15
                                                                       RE: HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long), toykilla, Nov-10-01 08:00 PM, #16
                                                                            RE: HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long), pn0ymahal, Nov-11-01 03:20 PM, #17
                                                                            RE: HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long), pn0ymahal, Nov-11-01 03:21 PM, #18
                                                                                 RE: HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long), TeamJasonESi_T, Nov-11-01 03:35 PM, #19

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#8999, "RE: 5krpm screwing up...?"
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I'm not sure if this will help you at all, but getting a reading (voltage wise) from your MAP sensor may be of some assistance. Go to your check-sensors screen on your S-AFC and take a look. Maybe something is awry?

Also, is your new FPR adjustable the same way the HRC was? Where'd you get it? (I've been looking to get a new one perhaps as well.)


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#9000, "RE: 5krpm screwing up...?"
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what should the map sensor read voltage read???

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#9001, "RE: 5krpm screwing up...?"
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The Aeromotive doesnt have that little adjustment to richen or lean down with the knob once you get it at a certain idle fuel pressure but thats what my AFC is for.

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Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOneNov-09-01 07:09 AM
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#9002, "RE: 5krpm screwing up...?"
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Is your FCD wired properly?

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#9003, "RE: 5krpm screwing up...?"
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That's exactly what I was thinking too, Dino. That's why I wanted him to do a sensor check on the map sensor.

BTW, the acceptable range of volts for that sensor is ~1.0 volts to 4.7 volts.

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#9004, "RE: 5krpm screwing up...?"
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The map sensor is in that range...2 volts normal driving..1 volt at idle and 4 volts at full trottle...

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toykillaNov-09-01 11:01 AM
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#9005, "RE: 5krpm screwing up...?"
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whats an FCD??

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#9006, "RE: 5krpm screwing up...?"
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Fuel Cut Defenser.. Your VC-1 or HRC FCD .. little black box..

Did it stop at 4v or 4.7v ?? There's a BIG difference.

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toykillaNov-10-01 09:08 AM
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#9007, "RE: 5krpm screwing up...?"
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Darkone--I tested the volts at 9psi and its 3.7 doesnt go higher than that. Can you tell anything by this?? Im not sure about the Aeromotive FPR but would it let the fuel pressure go up with boost like the HRC one is suppose to? Do you have any experience with this?? I set it to 50 like HRC site says and its soo lean I cant even floor it for a little bit. I have it set at 75psi now at idle and use S-AFC to turn it down at idle. That helps it alot but im not sure if I should up it even more to handle the problem. Maybe 80-85psi fuel pressure at idle??

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#9008, "RE: 5krpm screwing up...?"
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Those fuel pressures are ENTIRELY too high for idle.

Don't adjust the idle fuel pressure to richen boosted operation. there should be two seperate screws on your kit's fuel pressure regulator, one for idle and one for boosted operation.

3.7 volts MAP sensor voltage is too low. Sounds like your FCD is clamping too low.

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#9009, "RE: 5krpm screwing up...?"
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There is not 2 separate screws on the FPR. Well, there is the one at the top and another in the middle of it on its face. But the one in the middle doesnt do anything at all. Its an allen fitting that was leaking fuel when I first put the thing on so I tightened it down. I dont think that is an adjustment for anything if its leaking fuel. and in the instructions for it, it doesnt say anything about any other type of adjustments on the thing.

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#9010, "RE: 5krpm screwing up...?"
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Also...do I need to replace the FCD or what??

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#9011, "HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long)"
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LAST EDITED ON 10-Nov-01 AT 11:05 PM (PST)

Defective HRC Fuel Mappers!!

If you can't adjust your boosted fuel pressure, don't mess with it. Find out what you can adjust on your fuel pressure regulator, and at 9psi, make sure you're at 110-115 psi of fuel pressure with stock injectors. If you can't reach that level, either don't boost OR turn down the boost so your fuel pressures can accomodate. It's not gonna help by band aiding your boosted fuel pressure by upping your idle fuel pressure.

AND lastly, just unhook the FCD entirely, deal with the slight fuel cuts, but be assured you won't go dangerously lean. CALL HRC right away! I figured you were having a problem with your boosted a/f ratio through a bad FCD.

I honestly think I've found the first technical difficulty with HRC's fuel system. That damn FCD or "fuel mapper." It's not only unreliable, but it's prone to be unstable and can have HUGE detrimental effects to your turbosystem.

Many, many of us have had problems with that fuel mapper during initial installs, an have had to send them back for functioning ones (that worked to clamp the fuel at no higher than 4.7 volts). Moreover, who knew if they were performing their jobs on the upper level of things (issuing messages to the ecu for max fuel output and clamping no lower than 4.7 volts) but it appears now that through the monitoring of our map sensors with a S-AFC, we can monitor FCD's effectiveness.

Although my FCD worked for awhile clamping at a decent ~4.5-4.6 voltage rate, a couple of months ago, it started clamping at 3.7 volts as your is now. I immediately called Bill Hahn and told him of this and he expeditiously sent me a new one. (My inital phone call to Bill did not prove enlightening since even he couldn't figure out what the problem was. He was glad when I found out-this was after putting in 3 cans of fuel injector cleaner, new spark plugs twice, new wires once, new fuel filter, multimeter readings of all my fuel injectors, bought new oem injectors and fuel rail that I didn't install cause I found out problem first.) This new one clamps at ~4.4-4.5, so it's not much better.

I'm looking to get a VC-2 (SplitSec.com) when it comes out, but otherwise I keep a close eye on my A/F ratios and ALWAYS monitor my map sensor.

However, setting all of that aside, I see a much larger problem. That defective fuel clamp is not getting the job done by NOT volting at 4.7 volts, and can cause the ultimate destruction to many of our cars if gone unnoticed. I just hope many of us here are taking heed to my posts regarding this. I posted on this before, but I think it's worth bringing it up again.

The HRC Fuel Mappers are unreliable and prone to clamp at a lower number. MONITOR you voltage clamp through your S-AFC or rig something up through a multimeter, because if your not getting close to 4.7 volts for a corresponding max fuel output, you could be allowing your car to go dangerously lean at its most vulnerable moment!

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#9012, "RE: HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long)"
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Thanks for the information Jason. I have called HRC twice. I cant believe they completely shut their whole business down to go to a damn show. What about the customers that bought the kit and it seems whenever I really need to talk to someone at HRC, they are at a show. I called Friday..gone to show. BLAH..is Bill Hahn the only person that knows anything at HRC?? Dont they have mechanics..like more than 1 to atleast stay and talk to people when they need help. That to me IS NOT good customer service. When Bill is there - He gets the job done and takes care of you in any way he can. but when hes not...HRC is useless. I will call again on monday

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#9013, "RE: HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long)"
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I was just looking through Sports compact car mag and saw Ultra Performance's ad. Is the boost cut eliminator the same thing as the FCD?? If so I might just get that one.

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#9014, "RE: HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long)"
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So if I take that thing off will I get fuel cuts like crazy?? Atleast i will beable to use my damn turbo. This has been happening since I put it in and Bill had no idea of what it could be.

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#9015, "RE: HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long)"
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at idle and crusing and pushing it hard is there a base as far as the volts goes? like at 5psi should it be at 3.5 or 4.7 volts etc? whats the base to go on so i know when i check it with a multimeter later
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#9016, "RE: HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long)"
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at idle and crusing and pushing it hard is there a base as far as the volts goes? like at 5psi should it be at 3.5 or 4.7 volts etc? whats the base to go on so i know when i check it with a multimeter later
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#9017, "RE: HRC's achilles heel..IMPORTANT (and long)"
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Under boost, it should ALWAYS be at 4.7 volts.

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