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freddy_00_69Jul-24-04 12:23 PM
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#74310, "Timing problems!"




          

My car has been idling like shit and i have really low vacuum, and checked everything else and it seems that it can only be my ecu or my timing being off. I hooked my OBD11 tester in and evrything was good except for ignition advance. My fuel trims were fine, good % at WOT, but my ignition advance was going between -12 and -5 while idling. I want to know why is it jumping around and i though we the advance is not supposed to be in the negatives. I may be wrong, just trying to diagnose a problem. I think my timing is off, but dont know what the timing should be at at idle. Any help, thanks


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RE: Timing problems!, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, Jul-24-04 05:05 PM, #1
RE: Timing problems!, freddy_00_69, Jul-24-04 06:12 PM, #2
      RE: Timing problems!, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, Jul-24-04 06:51 PM, #3
           RE: Timing problems!, freddy_00_69, Jul-24-04 07:00 PM, #4
                RE: Timing problems!, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, Jul-24-04 07:31 PM, #5
                     RE: Timing problems!, TeamXtremeRS, Jul-24-04 08:03 PM, #6
                          RE: Timing problems!, freddy_00_69, Jul-25-04 05:06 AM, #7

AdministratorStar Turbo TalonJul-24-04 05:05 PM
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#74327, "RE: Timing problems!"
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have you messed with your timing belt recently.....timing marks off can cause this.

Terry

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freddy_00_69Jul-24-04 06:12 PM
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#74329, "RE: Timing problems!"
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No, i havent touched any of that. I just had my timing belt replaced when the shop fixed my bent valves. The belt still looks brand new, but i think the timing was off a mark or something. I have no clue, it may have been off when installed. I wish i knew, but i am only gonna check the ecu and timing. After that, i am so lost as to what could cause this low vac and rough idle.


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AdministratorStar Turbo TalonJul-24-04 06:51 PM
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#74331, "RE: Timing problems!"
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low vac and idle are text book products of the timing off on the cams...did the car ever run right after the belt was replaced? I would pull the cover and double check.

Terry

96 Eagle talon ESI
Star Stage II - Boost/oil/EGT gauges

97 Eclipse
Greddy header - Apexi N1 3" exhaust - SFMU/return line - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - ceramic intake - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: Apexi AFC, HKS EVC IV, 450 Turbo injectors, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)

Mitchell on Demand copies available

  

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freddy_00_69Jul-24-04 07:00 PM
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#74333, "RE: Timing problems!"
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Jul-24-04 07:02 PM by freddy_00_69



          

How do i know if the cams are off timing? I should check the timing on the gears, right. I just want to understand your reply so i know what to check. My camshaft position sensor wouldnt have anything to do with that since it is on the side of the head on the exhaust cam. Just wondering. I appreciate the help, thanks. I will check tomorrow for those things.


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#74334, "RE: Timing problems!"
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well you need to pull off the timing cover and align the marks on the crank/oil pump. then check the marks on the cam gears. its a pain to do but the best way. I highly doubt your ECU or cam sensor is the culprit. If the intake cam is off by a tooth or two you will develope the low vac and lopey idle. It would be like having a very large overlap on the intake-exhaust cam lobes.

Terry

96 Eagle talon ESI
Star Stage II - Boost/oil/EGT gauges

97 Eclipse
Greddy header - Apexi N1 3" exhaust - SFMU/return line - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - ceramic intake - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: Apexi AFC, HKS EVC IV, 450 Turbo injectors, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)

Mitchell on Demand copies available

  

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#74336, "RE: Timing problems!"
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Cam timing is off. I know exactly what symtoms you are describing. Whoever did your timing belt, didn't put the belt on right with the timing marks..


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freddy_00_69Jul-25-04 05:06 AM
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#74339, "RE: Timing problems!"
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Thanks, i will have it fixed monday. I was leaning towards that but i feel much better knowing i got second opinions from you guys who know more about our cars. Points for both of you.


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Turbonetics 60-1/Portfueler/etc!!!!!

  

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