i'm compairing the stage 2 kits of both hrc and star
i'm kinda leading towards hrc even though its more expensive, my reasoning: hrc produces 275 hp while star is 234 hp, plus we got bill hahn on this board posting which give me a funny warm feeling inside (i feel as if the buyer actually matters!!)

now my questions are these:
-am i correct in assuming the hrc is faster then star or does star have faster spooling time or something? can you give stock track times?
-what is the difference b/n the two turbos?
-what is better for fun daily driving and dependability?
-how much low end torque do each produce?
-is one more difficult to install then the other?
-any more comments to influence my decision that anyone else can think of?

thanks in advance everyone
id

One tip: Never, ever, ever ask this question.. It's like religion and politics all rolled into one. That's one nasty can of worms.

Search the archives and see the kind of muck that has been thrown back and forth between the two sides of this debate and you'll get an idea... as well as the information to make your decision without bringing this topic back up..

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OH NO!!! Here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HRC is better, no wait Star is better, no wait...HRC is better, No, star is better, no HRC is better....etc......You get the point.....no end to this one!!!!!

DAVE_FL
97 T-GS
HRC stage 1
Orlando DSM

All rookies learn the hard way..........Dont ask this question it been played out.........but uuuuu i think there should be a side by side comparison posted SOMEWHERE. NER vs.HRC vs. Star although i think NER is replacing the star kit...... But man i know how it feels not knowing much about the kits.........at one time i didnt........so research all 3....it a lot of fun and a good time waster at work.......... start off with hrchahnracecraft.com then on to Turbogs.com now you have a starting point

Oh, let me have some fun here! The fellow's question is "which is quicker and faster?" I believe I have his answer (facts is facts):

We have run 11.53 @ 123 in a complete street RS (AC, PS, full interior) with an HRC Stage V.

Len Ayala's Neon has run 9.88 @ 148 with an HRC Stage V and a 100HP nitrous shot.

Both cars are being campaigned and improved intensely as we speak, so these numbers will continue to improve.


Bill Hahn Jr.
HRC

Bill Hahn Jr.
98 RS Turbo: 10.87 @ 136 MPH
HRC Stage V with N20
Nation's Fastest Street FWD 2G DSM
www.turbosystem.com

Tip number #11. 275hp is flywheel hp while the 234hp you are speaking of is at the wheels. Assume nothing. To answer you question, we dont know for sure.

Since I cant use photopoint IMAGINE THIS:
Star turbo with E-trim and HKS BOV
Starion FMIC/2.5" piping
Joe P MBC
Apexi SuperAFC
Ross Pistons/total seal rings
Ported and matched intake manifold
AFX 55mm TB, FMM and UDP
2.5" downpipe back exh/Hayame muffler
Crane wires/Denso Iridium plugs
Centerforce DF clutch
KYB AGX struts/ST springs, UPR FSB, F&R camber kits
17" ADR lightnings/toyo FZ4 215/45/17
97' eclipse front end/projectors
Autometer gauges
Panasonic head unit/ Sony X-over
MB Quarts all around/JL stealth sub
Hifonics/MTX Thunder amps
XX brand alarm/Varad hyper green led

Stan2gnt
Stan2va@aol.com
95 Talon 420A-Turbo
Former and future nitrous user

:farfrommugen:
Yes I still own a 2gnt.
Damn right I've been here longer than U
klassic_liven@yahoo.com

Stan2gnt what does 275H = at the flywheel?for the undereducated please give an idea.thanx.peace

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At the flywheel is just what it says presumed measured on an engine dynometer. At the wheels it measured on a chasis dyno. Presumably anywhere from 10-20+% is lost from the flywheel by the time it gets to the wheels. From all the dyno's I've looked at on our car the driveline loss is about 18%

And Bill have fun but he did ask about stage 2. We already know who's our daddy above that (especially since there is no star stage 3+).

Since I cant use photopoint IMAGINE THIS:
Star turbo with E-trim and HKS BOV
Starion FMIC/2.5" piping
Joe P MBC
Apexi SuperAFC
Ross Pistons/total seal rings
Ported and matched intake manifold
AFX 55mm TB, FMM and UDP
2.5" downpipe back exh/Hayame muffler
Crane wires/Denso Iridium plugs
Centerforce DF clutch
KYB AGX struts/ST springs, UPR FSB, F&R camber kits
17" ADR lightnings/toyo FZ4 215/45/17
97' eclipse front end/projectors
Autometer gauges
Panasonic head unit/ Sony X-over
MB Quarts all around/JL stealth sub
Hifonics/MTX Thunder amps
XX brand alarm/Varad hyper green led

Stan2gnt
Stan2va@aol.com
95 Talon 420A-Turbo
Former and future nitrous user

:farfrommugen:
Yes I still own a 2gnt.
Damn right I've been here longer than U
klassic_liven@yahoo.com

Oops! I should have read more carefully. Yes, Stage II numbers are what he asked for. My bad!

Bill

Bill Hahn Jr.
98 RS Turbo: 10.87 @ 136 MPH
HRC Stage V with N20
Nation's Fastest Street FWD 2G DSM
www.turbosystem.com

hehehe.. well, i'm still leaning significantly towards hrc but i still got to a. sell my car, b. find an nt eclipse, and finally c. raise significant funds to buy a turbo. so i'm sure i have some spare time to do some archive searching. hopefully i'll be a member of the nt-t elite before fall thanks guys.

one more question though.... do i have to tell insurence companies about my lil insignificant upgrade?

id

oh shit...I didn't mean to come in here...sorry.

NO, DON'T STOP ME...I'M LEAVING...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO



Ball Bearing Star Stage II
"Power is nothing without control"

I use to have a White 99 GS Sport with a Star Stage II Ball Bearing T3/T4 turbo...it was fun untill....well those who remember me know Oh Ya...this is what I have now... a 99' GSX...

Hell no. tell your insurance company NOTHING. I dont think there's much they can do about it anyway, there stuck on what their computer says.


Since I cant use photopoint IMAGINE THIS:
Star turbo with E-trim and HKS BOV
Starion FMIC/2.5" piping
Joe P MBC
Apexi SuperAFC
Ross Pistons/total seal rings
Ported and matched intake manifold
AFX 55mm TB, FMM and UDP
2.5" downpipe back exh/Hayame muffler
Crane wires/Denso Iridium plugs
Centerforce DF clutch
KYB AGX struts/ST springs, UPR FSB, F&R camber kits
17" ADR lightnings/toyo FZ4 215/45/17
97' eclipse front end/projectors
Autometer gauges
Panasonic head unit/ Sony X-over
MB Quarts all around/JL stealth sub
Hifonics/MTX Thunder amps
XX brand alarm/Varad hyper green led

Stan2gnt
Stan2va@aol.com
95 Talon 420A-Turbo
Former and future nitrous user

:farfrommugen:
Yes I still own a 2gnt.
Damn right I've been here longer than U
klassic_liven@yahoo.com

Don't tell them SHIT.. if you're uncomfortable, see about getting some extra coverage for "Aftermarket Accessories" - say it's a stereo or some shit.

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Actually...you should. I recomend you do. I told my Insurance ( State Farm ) and he said it is covered with NO extra charge. Mine didn't go up, and it will be covered.



Ball Bearing Star Stage II
"Power is nothing without control"

I use to have a White 99 GS Sport with a Star Stage II Ball Bearing T3/T4 turbo...it was fun untill....well those who remember me know Oh Ya...this is what I have now... a 99' GSX...

But i wouldnt risk it. They might want to raise the rates after telling them. I am not telling anybody.

DAVE_FL
97 T-GS
HRC stage 1
Orlando DSM

yeah that's like me telling them i took both airbags out!

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Well, if you want to be a$$-raped by you insurrance company, just go ahead, write a list of all the mods, and fax it to him.... J/K dont do that.... very bad... Allstate wanted almost 400 a month to insure my car with everything covered, so I opted to have it classified as a stock GS and I pay 114 a month for full coverage with a 100 dollar deductable.... Just know that if you total your car, your getting what is covered, nothing more... And only be cool and talk to your insurrace and compare costs if you know the guy pretty well, well... very well... they can dick you over if they have that kind of info and want to...
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Brad

You can get most of this info by going to wyatts or HRCs site but I'll try to answer some.

-am i correct in assuming the hrc is faster then star or does star have faster spooling time or something? can you give stock track times?
-what is the difference b/n the two turbos?
HRC uses a Mitsubishi turbo that spools faster than the STAR Turbonetics turbo. The Star turbo is a Turbonetic Hybrid Turbo and it has higher potential for horsepower than the mitsu one, though I think you can get different size turbos and features from HRC or STAR.

-what is better for fun daily driving and dependability?
Beats me, my car sure is fun to drive on the freeway or on the track, then again more boost= More gas be prepared to pay for it. Both kits are streetable.

-how much low end torque do each produce?
Well the low end torque is probably higher for the HRC because it can spool faster, don't know if the T3/T04E BB turbo spools faster though. At lower RPMs (0-2k) you have like no boost at all so it'll act as if you didn't have one. The size of your exhuast piping matters also, I notice Randy's turbo spools faster because he has a 2.5" exhuast system compared to mine.

-is one more difficult to install then the other?
I'll say this the STAR has some shitty instructions. They should be about the same difficulty to install, it's all the same stuff. As for HRC I heard their instructions are pretty good, perhaps someone can help you on the HRC part don't know much there.

-any more comments to influence my decision that anyone else can think of?
Well I bought my Star Kit because I got in on one of Wyatt's group buys, so try to find some way to get your kit cheaper if you can, so you can spend the extra money on gauges, exhuast, etc...

Heh if you got time, wait for the New Edge Racing kit, from what I see so far that kit is the shit! But the other two kits are good also.

Haha hope I didn't take sides, I'm just saying stuff on my personal experiences with the star kit. I've heard that the STAR has potential for more horsepower than the HRC, I've never seen a HRC in person though....


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