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jsupetran	Feb-12-04 09:06 PM
Member since May 04th 2002 4359 posts,

#65166, "turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"

How loud is it at the boost level?

Oh and if you flame me for buying a bov for the sound, kiss MAA HAIRRY TURDy ASSS.... emoji mmmmmK

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hrc stage 1, sfmu, ml, prokits, egt, boost gauge, apexi tt, haydans tranny cooler, costum dp, dynotune fp gauge. gst muff, turbo spoiler

nothing like driving with the windows down and the music low: i love hearing the turbo spool, swwwhhhttt!!!!
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RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, slodsm, Feb-12-04 11:12 PM, #1

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, Ryan_Hes, Feb-12-04 11:38 PM, #2

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, turbo8u, Feb-13-04 06:05 AM, #3

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, Ryan_Hes, Feb-13-04 06:12 AM, #4

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, turbo8u, Feb-13-04 06:19 AM, #5

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, DSMRoadster, Feb-13-04 07:02 AM, #6

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, turbo8u, Feb-13-04 07:17 AM, #7

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, Diceman19, Feb-13-04 08:34 AM, #8

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, turbo8u, Feb-13-04 08:38 AM, #9

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, widebodied, Feb-13-04 08:39 AM, #10

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, a_miller_76, Feb-13-04 09:24 AM, #11

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, weepul, Feb-18-04 02:18 PM, #12

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, QC DSM ESiT, Feb-19-04 07:52 PM, #13

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, pfmicks, Feb-18-04 04:47 AM, #14

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, hunntyr, Feb-13-04 11:52 AM, #15

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, el2oCz, Feb-14-04 02:24 AM, #16

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, Initial DSM, Feb-14-04 03:36 PM, #17

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, Eclipse2NR, Feb-14-04 06:26 PM, #18

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RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, SANDMAN, Feb-15-04 05:55 PM, #20

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, HiOnPSI, Feb-15-04 07:43 PM, #21

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, DSMRoadster, Feb-15-04 07:46 PM, #22

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, RyaN95i4, Feb-16-04 06:20 AM, #23

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, MR BLUNT 2gnt, Feb-16-04 11:19 AM, #24

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, whodatt1, Feb-17-04 05:08 AM, #25

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, 96rs-t, Feb-18-04 01:11 PM, #26

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, jsupetran, Feb-18-04 01:28 PM, #27

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, 96rs-t, Feb-18-04 01:37 PM, #28

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, EclipseRST, Feb-20-04 06:35 AM, #29

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, Super20G, Feb-20-04 07:35 AM, #30

RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, jsupetran, Feb-20-04 09:38 AM, #31

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RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, EclipseRST, Feb-20-04 09:52 PM, #34

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RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi, 96rs-t, Feb-21-04 07:42 PM, #37

slodsm	Feb-12-04 11:12 PM
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#65167, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 0

VERY, you will like it if you want loud

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Ryan_Hes	Feb-12-04 11:38 PM
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#65168, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 1

Im running it right now at 5psi....LOUD.

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turbo8u	Feb-13-04 06:05 AM
Member since Jun 15th 2003 10552 posts,

#65172, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
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lmao! fuck that thing! i got pulled over twice in the same day...once beacuse the cop said my car HAD to have been leaking something and another time to tell me it sounded like my car was sneezing. needless to say i ripped it off quick style emoji rfl=tfl....TO fuckin loud.

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Ryan_Hes	Feb-13-04 06:12 AM
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#65173, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 3

Well its fun if you don't set it off near cops :-D

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turbo8u	Feb-13-04 06:19 AM
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#65174, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 4

Originally posted by Ryan_Hes
Well its fun if you don't set it off near cops :-D

lol dont you think it goes ABNORMALLY long though? its like PSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....like it shoulda ended a while ago, lol.

just dont back off the throttle and you wont set it off emoji

word to the wise, 10psi next to a freeway divider is deafening

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DSMRoadster	Feb-13-04 07:02 AM
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#65176, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
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word to the wiser. On the freeway next to another car at 15psi is even more deafening.

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turbo8u	Feb-13-04 07:17 AM
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#65177, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
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word to the wisest, get a new BOV if you're boosting 19psi

:evil laugh:
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Diceman19	Feb-13-04 08:34 AM
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#65182, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 7

i plan on running low 20's on my gsx, are you guys trying to say that if i have this BOV that it will be loud? emoji just come out and say it. LOL. i cant wait.

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turbo8u	Feb-13-04 08:38 AM
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#65183, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
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Originally posted by Diceman19
i plan on running low 20's on my gsx, are you guys trying to say that if i have this BOV that it will be loud? emoji

just come out and say it. LOL. i cant wait.

dude, its obnoxious imo. honestly sounds like your car is sneezing

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san clemente, ca

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widebodied	Feb-13-04 08:39 AM
Member since Oct 22nd 2002 2257 posts,

#65184, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 5

word to the wise, 10psi next to a freeway divider is deafening

damn i cant wait to pull this bitch out

DWAYNE H
1996 eclipse
under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

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a_miller_76	Feb-13-04 09:24 AM
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#65185, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 10

What's the BOV that flutters. Instead of being a pssssshhhhhhhhh it's more of a werpbpbpbpbpbpbpbpb.....Kinda the same sound as when you rev the Escudo in GT III

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weepul	Feb-18-04 02:18 PM
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#65471, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 11

Originally posted by a_miller_76
What's the BOV that flutters. Instead of being a pssssshhhhhhhhh it's more of a werpbpbpbpbpbpbpbpb.....Kinda the same sound as when you rev the Escudo in GT III

Probably the HKS SSQV. Expensive, but worth it IMO. It's loud in itself (depending on the type on fin insert you have) at high boost. At low boost it seems to flutter.

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QC DSM ESiT	Feb-19-04 07:52 PM
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#65553, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 12

Here is what my car sounds like reving with it on. By the way I love this BOV!

http://www.quadcitiesdsm.com/multimedia/videos/rflbov.mpg

I contributed to the wiki!

95 Eagle Talon ESi-T (BACK FROM THE DEAD!)
98 Dodge Neon R/T
93 Saab 900 Turbo Commemorative Editon #86 of 325 (sold)
95 Volkswagen GTI VR6 (saved from crusher)(sold)

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pfmicks	Feb-18-04 04:47 AM
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#65418, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 10

Originally posted by widebodied
word to the wise, 10psi next to a freeway divider is deafening damn i cant wait to pull this bitch out DWAYNE H 1996 eclipse under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by Thunderous_Talon a man could build a thousand bridges, and suck one cock. he'll forever be known as a cocksucker.

W3RD! :evil:

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hunntyr	Feb-13-04 11:52 AM
Member since Dec 27th 2003 911 posts,

#65187, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 0

Hehe I really dont care how loud it is.....its a great sound. Especially when I am going down I-75 here in Fl at about 85 and I have another 2G with their turbo spooling up on my left, and a Talon on my right with their BOV going, weaving in and out of traffic like no other car in the country could touch us. Beautiful sight...Beautiful sounds.

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el2oCz	Feb-14-04 02:24 AM
Member since Apr 05th 2003 262 posts,

#65215, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 15

V, if u have a RFL and u think its loud.. trade for my Greddy Type-S emoji i always wanted a RFL

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Initial DSM	Feb-14-04 03:36 PM
Member since Sep 23rd 2003 2833 posts,

#65245, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 16

Damn it I sold mine last year to a friend! I want it back now! emoji emoji

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Eclipse2NR	Feb-14-04 06:26 PM
Member since Nov 25th 2002 581 posts,

#65255, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 17

I run an RFL at 7-8 psi (when my stupid car is running, which has been very little since the turbo install), and it's extremely loud. I almost don't like it. I guess it makes up for the exhaust being so much quieter now.

1996 Eclipse RS / 5-Speed / Aerogear Body / Coated in Magnetic Red Metallic rev.2 / T3 Turbo Intercooled @ 8 psi / More at http://home.insightbb.com/~mgalyan/
Mark Galyan - Indianapolis, Indiana

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ner947	Feb-15-04 05:46 PM
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#65283, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 18

even with a really good vacuum source (mine goes to the throttle body vacuum port) and no washers in it, the RFL is weak at anything less than 5-8 psi...

at 12-14 psi, it starts to get good.

at 16+ psi, it will start to scare the crap out of you.

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SANDMAN	Feb-15-04 05:55 PM
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#65284, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 19

I made 2 teenagers jump into the bushes at 9psi one night riding with the wife AHAHAHA

Cop pulled me over after I passed a gas station to let me know my car had a vacuum or exhaust leak. "You sound like a Mack truck son"

I was starting to get annoyed, but the car is auto so I can pretty much live with it. 5SP would drive me insane.

Exile Racing Technologies, Inc.

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HiOnPSI	Feb-15-04 07:43 PM
Member since Mar 29th 2002 2745 posts,

#65286, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 20

it's not that loud

Jon

1997 Eclipse RS

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DSMRoadster	Feb-15-04 07:46 PM
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#65287, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 16

no way E. I bought the RFL for that reason. I was thinking of getting that new Blitz Godzilla one. I heard that one is louder than the rfl and the tial.

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RyaN95i4	Feb-16-04 06:20 AM
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#65296, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 22

sounds pretty good at 20psi too, just have to add a couple washer so it wont leak emoji

95 Avenger
ATX->MTX Swap
Holset HX40 @ 26 psi

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MR BLUNT 2gnt	Feb-16-04 11:19 AM
Member since Mar 20th 2002 793 posts,

#65307, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 23

+1. When I run 18-20 psi through it, it lives up to its name. Its great, it scares people daily. Gotta love that.

400whp or bust.

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whodatt1	Feb-17-04 05:08 AM
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#65351, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
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haha at 15 psi it makes people almost crash lol.

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- 97 RS 2.6 last numbers: 306hp, 352tq @16psi (Dead, parted out)
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96rs-t	Feb-18-04 01:11 PM
Member since Jun 04th 2003 2203 posts,

#65459, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 25

i've been wanting to get that bov, where is a good place to get it, with the adapter plate and everything? or does it come all together?

SoCal DSM
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1999 GS AE: New daily driver
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jsupetran	Feb-18-04 01:28 PM
Member since May 04th 2002 4359 posts,

#65461, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 26

FUCK!!! I posted and it didn't show.

I got mine on ebay for 100 new from this guy named tsai 1996. He has two more he said.

I was about to sell mine actually, but I tweaked the spring by cutting it and it sounds just about right. Not too loud, yet that is...

ALso, if you have the hrc kit, it is a complete bolt on. No need to buy a flange since the bottom of the rfl slips into the flange, and the bov has screws that are used to secure it. Perfect fit.

-------jezreel
hrc stage 1, sfmu, ml, prokits, egt, boost gauge, apexi tt, haydans tranny cooler, costum dp, dynotune fp gauge. gst muff, turbo spoiler

nothing like driving with the windows down and the music low: i love hearing the turbo spool, swwwhhhttt!!!!
thanks for www.kaptainmyke.com for the sig hosting

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96rs-t	Feb-18-04 01:37 PM
Member since Jun 04th 2003 2203 posts,

#65465, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
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hell yeah, ^^^good to hear! i was looking at them on MachV, yeah, i know they're expensive, but i was looking at their TurboXS type H...and was listening to the soundclip of both the type H and RFL...the type H seems to have a more clear and louder sound!

SoCal DSM
1996 RS-T: Under Construction
1999 GS AE: New daily driver
"USING NO WAY AS A WAY, HAVING NO LIMITATION AS A LIMITATION"--BRUCE LEE

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EclipseRST	Feb-20-04 06:35 AM
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#65573, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 28

Originally posted by 96rs-t
hell yeah, ^^^good to hear! i was looking at them on MachV, yeah, i know they're expensive, but i was looking at their TurboXS type H...and was listening to the soundclip of both the type H and RFL...the type H seems to have a more clear and louder sound!

My Type H-34 is coming in the mail today or tomorrow. I'll throw it on a see how it sounds compared to the sound clip I heard of the RFL.

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Super20G	Feb-20-04 07:35 AM
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#65578, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 29

loud BOV = crap IMO, but i guess it'd be fun "sometimes" ...

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jsupetran	Feb-20-04 09:38 AM
Member since May 04th 2002 4359 posts,

#65585, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 29
Feb-20-04 09:41 AM by jsupetran

Originally posted by EclipseRST

Originally posted by 96rs-t hell yeah, ^^^good to hear! i was looking at them on MachV, yeah, i know they're expensive, but i was looking at their TurboXS type H...and was listening to the soundclip of both the type H and RFL...the type H seems to have a more clear and louder sound!

My Type H-34 is coming in the mail today or tomorrow. I'll throw it on a see how it sounds compared to the sound clip I heard of the RFL.

I am beginning to LOVE MY RFL. I cut the spring a lot soo the weird noises are gone and even at 1-2 psi, it sounds perfect. Not too loud. That's why I am keeping it emoji

. Cheap to; under 100. I am sure I'd get annoying if it is 15 psi all the time but for not, it's perfect emoji

.

-------jezreel
hrc stage 1, sfmu, ml, prokits, egt, boost gauge, apexi tt, haydans tranny cooler, costum dp, dynotune fp gauge. gst muff, turbo spoiler

nothing like driving with the windows down and the music low: i love hearing the turbo spool, swwwhhhttt!!!!
thanks for www.kaptainmyke.com for the sig hosting

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96rs-t	Feb-20-04 07:24 PM
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#65613, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 29
Feb-20-04 07:25 PM by 96rs-t

"My Type H-34 is coming in the mail today or tomorrow. I'll throw it on a see how it sounds compared to the sound clip I heard of the RFL."

where did you buy it from..how much?

SoCal DSM
1996 RS-T: Under Construction
1999 GS AE: New daily driver
"USING NO WAY AS A WAY, HAVING NO LIMITATION AS A LIMITATION"--BRUCE LEE

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eclipse804	Feb-20-04 09:27 PM
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#65617, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
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I've heard the Turbo XS RFL doesn't perform too well under high boost applications (don't know if that's true though). I like my HKS ssqv but it also shouldn't be used on cars over 20 psi. I think the Forge BOV and Worx Tuning BOV's are supposed to be pretty nice for performance (but not that loud). Right now I took off my hks ssqv, and the car seems to drive smoother between shifts because the atmospheric bov makes it run slightly rich when it blows off (due to MAF sensor instead of MAP).

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EclipseRST	Feb-20-04 09:52 PM
Member since Apr 17th 2002 5394 posts,

#65619, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 32

Originally posted by 96rs-t

"My Type H-34 is coming in the mail today or tomorrow. I'll throw it on a see how it sounds compared to the sound clip I heard of the RFL." where did you buy it from..how much?

I bought it from another 2GNTer along with some other stuff so it all just figured into the total price. They go for $189 brand new according to Turbo XS's site. Here's the two side by side, they're the exact same thing except the Type H doesn't have the little horn outlet.

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jsupetran	Feb-21-04 05:38 AM
Member since May 04th 2002 4359 posts,

#65625, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 34

I took off the horn and it lessens the sound.

-------jezreel
hrc stage 1, sfmu, ml, prokits, egt, boost gauge, apexi tt, haydans tranny cooler, costum dp, dynotune fp gauge. gst muff, turbo spoiler

nothing like driving with the windows down and the music low: i love hearing the turbo spool, swwwhhhttt!!!!
thanks for www.kaptainmyke.com for the sig hosting

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Eclipse2NR	Feb-21-04 05:43 AM
Member since Nov 25th 2002 581 posts,

#65626, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
In response to Reply # 35

I don't know about some of you guys saying it "isn't that loud". Mine is absolutely freaking loud as shit! I havent heard it for a while because I have a turbo now and my car never runs, but when I last heard it, I remember it being annoyingly rediculously loud.

1996 Eclipse RS / 5-Speed / Aerogear Body / Coated in Magnetic Red Metallic rev.2 / T3 Turbo Intercooled @ 8 psi / More at http://home.insightbb.com/~mgalyan/
Mark Galyan - Indianapolis, Indiana

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96rs-t	Feb-21-04 07:42 PM
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#65689, "RE: turbo xs rfl on 5 psi"
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Feb-21-04 07:42 PM by 96rs-t

Originally posted by EclipseRST

Originally posted by 96rs-t

"My Type H-34 is coming in the mail today or tomorrow. I'll throw it on a see how it sounds compared to the sound clip I heard of the RFL."

I bought it from another 2GNTer along with some other stuff so it all just figured into the total price. They go for $189 brand new according to Turbo XS's site. Here's the two side by side, they're the exact same thing except the Type H doesn't have the little horn outlet.

that type H looks very different from the one that MachV sells. go check it out and listen to it at machv.com

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