i'll first go over whats up...yesterday it started to not want to go into gear, sometimes its cake, other times it sucks...so i look under the car and see tranny fluid coming from the drive shafts, where it goes into the tranny...looks like my seals are bad..when we were doing my rebuild i had the tranny supported w/ a jack, my dumbass uncle took the car off the jackstands and the tranny was pretty much just hanging b/c he took the jack too...so i'm thinking the weight of the tranny was just held by the driveshafts(axles) and this may be why i'm leaking...well today me and 420avenger were attempting to add some fluid to it b/c thats what i figured was wrong...a small piece of plastic, maybe 1 inch long came unconnected from the hose we were using and he , by trying to get it out, pushed it in....now i have a piece of plastic tubing in there..i figure the tranny gears will eat it up so i wasn't really worried but it still sucks..what do you think about that..is there a possiblity it can mess something up....well then we couldn't get the drain plug back in quick enough and some of the fluid came back out...we went out to data log the car and for about a mile i had no tranny issues...then it started to be a pain again and then it wouildn't stay in 5th, i just popped out...now i have a clattering noise sounds like the clutch when the clutch is not engaged..as soon as it engages it goes away...sounds like the same thing you had going on..don't think its the clutch b/c i bought a new one from wyatt(stage 3, six puck, sprung hub) but i dont know...my buddy dan is going to come by on wednesday and we're oing to remove the axles, change those seals b/c he says its pretty darn easy(hes got a 12 sec first gen and is our hand mechanic guy) and we're going to replace the fluid w/ some new stuff...do you think this may cure my symptoms? i need to keep the cost to a minimum right now b/c i'm kinda cashed after doing a full rebuild, 8 inj setup and a Star Stage 2 kit w/ a new clutch...between all the bearings, gaskets, fluids and other little stuff i would say i just put 8 g's into it..i'm a stage 4 currently and my car is pulling really hard at 11 psi(data logged it today and was only seeing 16 deg of advance at wot, egts do get a little high, only problem though..everything else is great)..thanks always for this forums time and help, you guys are great..i've done a little reading on here about trannys and have seen some people w/ similar probs but noone posts what they had to do about it, just asking similar to what i have...

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I had to post thsi here cause your email didnt work for me....

<<<i'll first go over whats up...yesterday it started to not want to go into gear, sometimes its cake, other times it sucks...<<<

That could either be your slave leaking fluid and its like your pedal isnt in, doubt it.... or your starting to get some tranny issues....

<<<so i look under the car and see tranny fluid coming from the drive shafts, where it
goes into the tranny...looks like my seals are bad..<<<


yeah, looks like it.... they are easy to get messed up, expecially seeing what happened w/ the jackstand. They are easy to change w/ the tranny out, or a little bit of a pain in the ass with the tranny in... I used a big rubber mallott to smack them in and it was too tight a fit so i didnt have much of a swing... and it would pop out for awhile till you get lucky and it goes in 1/2 way... be real careful though or you will bend the thing and need to go get another one.... just get them from napa, federal mogal or whoever makes them, take one w/ you... cause i got the wrong ones from the dealer twice, then took one to napa and got the right one... might use a micrometer to measure it too although they should have the part # in the cpu.

<<<a small piece of plastic, maybe 1 inch lon!
g came unconnected from the hose we were using and he , by trying to get it out, pushed it in....now i have a piece of plastic tubing in there..<<<


It will melt for sure.. doubt it would cause harm, but i am sure no good will come of it either, hehe... when you drained the tranny, what color was the oil, that will tell you a lot... did it look like new tranny fluid, or was it black like used motor oil? cause bad tranny fluid = bad tranny usually...

<<<well then we couldn't get the drain plug back in quick enough and some of the fluid came back out...<<<


well then, you did it the hardest way possible, hehe... next time try the drain plug ONLY to drain the tranny fluid There is a filler screw on the side, and when its full it will drain fluid back out, so you know its full, or you can measure the fluid your putting in and fill it through the reverse switch thats on top by the battery. Just remove it, stick a hose in there and squeeze that foul smellin' shit in there...


<<<and we're going to replace the fluid w/ some new stuff...do you think this may cure
my symptoms? what did it end up being in your case??? i would really appreciate your help in this, Kon says you know your stuff..<<<


nah, i doubt fluid, nasty or not, would cause that, unless it was a severe lack of fluid, and then you would be burning up roller and needle bearings and shit...

Worst case, find a neon tranny at a junkyard... they're cheaper.. i got one for 100 bucks with a busted bellhousing... which i didnt need anyways cause we gotta use ours to mate up to our engine... if you get the SOHC, you get longer gears, DOHC you get same gears... i think, its been awhile. my tranny was fuct... welded the gears to the shaft, it was really hard to shift... there towards the end, but it al;l came on at once... i could hear a rattling in i put my head under the car w/ it in neutral, then the car would actually pull forward an inch or 2 every few seconds in neutral(meaning it was enguaging a gear on its own(being welded to the shaft)

<<<i need to keep the cost to a minimum right now b/c i'm kinda cashed after doing a
full rebuild, 8 inj setup and a Star Stage 2 kit w/ a new clutch...between all the bearings, gaskets, fluids and other little stuff i would say i just put 8 g's into it..i'm a stage 4 currently and my car is pulling really hard at 11 psi(data logged it today and was only seeing 16 deg of advance at wot, egts do get a little high, only problem though..everything else is greatthanks for your time and guidance...<<<<<<



sounds like you got more power under the hood and the tranny is saying "what the hell are you doing to me buddy?" thats what mine was saying cause mine blew 700 miles after i installed a cm stg 4 and quaife lsd, before that i had no problems.... also, i think the previous owner used the wrong fluid when he owned the car, and when i switched it back over to the correct stuff, it freaked out..

>>>I had to post thsi here cause your email didnt work for me....<<<

Please always post stuff like this instead of e-mail so people like me can learn for future reference!!!

>>>well then, you did it the hardest way possible, hehe... next time try the drain plug ONLY to drain the tranny fluid There is a filler screw on the side, and when its full it will drain fluid back out, so you know its full<<<

That's actually how we did it. We never took out the drain plug.

that "chattering" noise when the clutch is dis-engaged is most likely your new throw out bearing breaking in. mine does it when its cold, but not after it has warmed up. id definitely get the seals fixed, and the whole popping out of gear is almost always either you synchros are on their way out, or a shift fork problem. could also be caused by low tranny oil too i guess. goodluck, my tranny grenaded soon after my most recent rebuild also. it sucks.




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20psi
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1996 Black Supra TT
2004 Silver Snake

called the o might god of dsm trannys today, mr sheperd, he doesn't think that he would be able to build it up like the turbo trannys...i'm hoping its the seals..has anyone on here had a tranny rebuilt w/ double synchros and beefed up internals...also what about this SOHC neon tranny...anyone know what its all about? is it beefy and up to 350hp? i think i have the bread to get a rebuild if needed, my granny came through b/c she feels bad about my drunk as$ uncle being stupid...i either need a shop name that someone has went too to do this rebuild w/ beefed up internals or a little more info on this neon deal...anyone offer some insite?? were going to tackle these seals tomorrow along w/ the fluid so i'll keep you guys posted...

400whp or bust.

The SOHC neon tranny would make you slower... but faster... hehe... I party too much on the weekends... and the weekdays... so most of the technical information i used to retain... well, its not here anymore... but the SOHC has different gearing. Armond might shed some more light on this, but I only notice it in 5th gear... All the other gears feel the same power-wise... and 5th gear, if your driving and shifting like a "normal" car, 5th tends to fall on its ass a little, but if your going through the gears like a bat out of hell, you'll get a higher top speed due to the longer gear...

The DOHC neon tranny is the same as ours. You just need your bellhousing, and a few odds and ends off your old tranny(brackets).

The chattering noise your clutch exhibits seems to be common with you guys and the stage 4 clutches, but I haven't had that problem. I do however have something metal loose that rattles at certain rpm ranges thats driving my crazy, but nothing in the clutch.

i may have to put a little research into some neon forums to see if anyone knows about rebuilders and how to beef it up...i would prefer to do something like that then just have it back to stock...Souper did you rebuild yours? or pay someone?

400whp or bust.

Only thing I would suggest is a Quaife LSD and the correct MOPAR fluid, as long as those requirements are met, along w/ the obvious of having the used junkyard tranny checked to wear/tolerances, etc... you should be good to go... You could get into some expensive stuff, but its not really needed for your power level... yet...

according to the guys on Neons.org the tranny can hold 500 hp...if thats the case thats pretty incredible...i may be a little sceptical at this point until i see some cars that are doing it w/ no issues...they also have a small group who are fab'ing lsd's for 190-200 bucks...nice if they work well and will hold up...i guess i need to talk w/ these guys to see...seems like some of the guys putting down big numbers on here have run into tranny issues..other than the lsd has anyone found parts to make the tranny stronger..i would assume a little cryo treatment could help..

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well i drained out the old fluid and it looked close to Yoo Hoo....the new stuff looks like vegatable oil...nice huh? well i refilled the fluid and it seems the hard shifting went away, goes into gear easy, only problem is i can't get my car to stay in 5th...as soon as i release the clutch it just pops right back out...so its time for a rebuild and a lsd...now, does anyone know where to purchase these parts? i would like a double syncro in 2nd and i'll probably go w/ a phantom grip...cant afford the quaife w/ the rebuild at this time...i know if can get a new tranny but for the same price i might be able to just do the rebuild(with the help of my handy dandy mechanic friend) and keep the cost down..i have a grand to work with...anyone know where to purchase the parts other than satan obviously, any after market companies that have stuff available? or even a company like shepard who does the rebuilds w/ beefed up internals for this tranny?? could use some advice here...thanks...

400whp or bust.

Yeah, sounds like your fluid was all broken down Bummer. Good luck w/ the rebuild, removal and install is easy as 1-2-3, as well as installing another lsd. As far as internal mods, I would hang out on the Neon boards as much as possible, cause i dont think anyone here has done anything beyond a Quaife, and if so probably not much more... mainly, because our trannys seem to do very well up to 450 hp or better(w/ a quaife & correct fluid). If your stage4, you might want to just keep saving up, cause the phantomgrip still utilizes your stock diff, so you'll still be limited to whatever the OEM unit can handle, which is generally around 300-350hp, but wheelhop is a bitch

saving for quaife, unless someone can find something cheaper and better. What's up with those people fabricating lsd's??? I'm totally interested, especially if its cheaper than 1000.

In the new SCC it has pictures of mopar bolt-ons for the SRT-4,one of which being an LSD unit. i know the trannies are probably way different, but anyone else heard anything about it?


Jon

1997 Eclipse RS

14.21@101mph 10/4/02

sup men, had a pretty interesting night i thought i'd share...me and my buddy Brian went up to john sheperds house tonight, what a cool guy(smaller than i imagined, hes only like 5'5" ....we showed up at 10:00 in the evening, unexpected by the looks of it and he was such a cool guy...maybe the fact hes making 1500 bucks off of brian but anyhow..to begin w/ the dude has a pretty nice pad, wife is semi hot...nice entertainment center, 52in widescreen hdtv, surround..it was nice...so then we start to talk about my tranny issues and i'm telling him theres a pretty good market for them b/c noone works on them like the turbo tranny and i could probably swing the dude mad business on 2gnt...he busts out this dope Dell laptop and hes got one of the nicest factory manual programs i've seen..it was E something, basically youi get this wizard window which you select the year to begin with, then what area your looking at..its got really crystal clear explosions of each part that you can zoom in on..whatever, its 100x nicer than the hacked cd i have that was scanned ...so i think i talked him into making me a copy, hell i offered to pay him for it and i think i will... i could probably sell for 10 bucks plus shipping..anyhow this cd would make life so much easier for fixing stuff on the cars....it was nice..anyhow i think that the shep will be blessing my tranny as well..if its just 5th gear it is super easy in my tranny, plus he'll be installing a lsd as well..nice! i'm so happy right now b/c it finally looks like i won't have to take it to satan for the rebuild and i'll have the man doing it for me....hells yeah..plus i s/w my boy today w/ his totalled 99 and he's going to give me his tranny for 250 bucks, so i'll have on in the mean time which = no down time...just thought i'd share the cool story..

400whp or bust.

Kick ass!!! I'm glad it worked out for you.