I guess they are having problems with the Fuel control module so the R&D department is back to doing more tests..until it is finally figured out. Better that than sell a non-functional part though. For now then, there is no Stg III kit. Just thought I'd let you guys know that might be interested as my friend was.

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damn that sucks

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They should just throw in a SAFC and call it a day ..

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Here's the strange thing: They DO sell SAFC's on their website, and they even say they have maps to make the SAFC work with *625CC/MIN* injectors.

Now for those who know.....either they are B.Sin, or they make 625cc/min injectors that are NOT peak and hold...Anyone have any thoughts?

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There are saturated injectos up to 800cc/min.

An AFC can control over a 625cc/min injector.. if you're a GST/X.

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Armond lead me to believe that arent any saturated 625cc/min injectors?

Does this mean armond is wrong? Noooooo it cant be! j/k =)

A guy with a 2gnt had apparently 625cc/min injectors with safc from his stage 3 from hahn...
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So get a stage 2 and buy the howell bottom end kit, injectors, and an sAFC. there you go........you have stage 3.

Dave
05 Ford F150 SuperCrew FX4

You were mislead. If RC's site will ever come back up, you can see for yourself...

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By that reasoning, they should pull their Stage I and II kits from production too. (Poor FCD clamping, Random variable FPR, Supersonic fuel pump).

Soooo many people are trashing their HRC I&II fuel systems and buying a VC-2, SFMU, and Walbro255 (respectively) at a cost of $5-700 just to get their kit working as advertised.

Even after re-buying all that, most people find this insufficient for what they expect performance-wise, and get bigger injectors and SAFC.

I'm perfectly OK with ADDING on options after the fact (inj & safc)... but replacing ones I already paid for just to make them work right SUCKS.

Dan

God dammit does that mean I gotta to replace all that shit when my HRC kit comes in? Now how much more is this gonna cost me?

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For their tomorrow,
We gave our today."
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You do not have to replace anything. The FCD that the kit comes with is fine. Mine has never had a problem. I prefer the HRC fcd over the VC-2. It only has 2 wires that hook up to the map sensor (really easy install). The FPR is OK too. It might act a little weird at idle every now and then but under boost it works fine. I am running 8 psi daily with mine and its plenty rich. I am changing over to the SFMU though because I got a great deal on one. And the fuel pump is GREAT. If you cant handle the little bit of extra noise that the inline pump makes, you shouldnt be turboing your car in the first place. With improved performance their is always noise involved. Have you ever heard of a quiet dragster? I havent.

Dave
05 Ford F150 SuperCrew FX4

What BS I was gonna get there Stage 3 kit next month.

what do you guys think if this weapon-r fuel pressure regulator? Easy install too.

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99eclipse.. buy my turbo kit.. DO IT, DO IT NOW. I need a buyer ASAP so I can go fix my car, sell it and buy GST. Id rather have a buyer for the turbo kit before I tear everything apart.
-Dave

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*SOLD* 97 Eclipse GS Star Stage 2

Hello all!

No, not even a particle of BS here. Stage III has been under development for some time now. We have experimented with many different configurations, but none of the previous attempts have satisifed me, at least not to the extent that I am confident enough to offer the result as a Hahn RaceCraft system. Fact is, we have never delivered a Stage III for this reason. Our customers who wished to surpass Stage II performance either purchased our Stage IV or V upgrade, or came up with something on their own (such as AFC type arrangements).

So, will it ever happen? Will we offer an actual Stage III to the public? I think we are close, real close as a matter of fact. Our trusty RS has been in testing for months with a Stage III setup that is working well. A couple of loose ends need to be ironed out, and we will be ready to offer it. I am unable to elaborate on details until we are done, but hang in there...it should not be much longer!

Thanks,
Bill Hahn Jr.

Bill Hahn Jr.
98 RS Turbo: 10.87 @ 136 MPH
HRC Stage V with N20
Nation's Fastest Street FWD 2G DSM
www.turbosystem.com

>You do not have to replace anything. The FCD that the kit
>comes with is fine. Mine has never had a problem.

Dave, I know you're better, and perhaps luckier at this than I am (My 15.9 best ET is proof of that, heh)

But I also know that some of the parts I got in my kit don't work right, and I'm NOT alone either.

Bill, PLEASE realize there's a lot of us Stage I&II'ers with problems that aren't getting fixed by HRC tech support! (which is your edge on the competition) I like my kit but I have a real hard time recommending it to anyone with all the problems I've had.

References to other 2GNT HRC kit problems:

FPR:
http://www.2gnt.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1818&forum=DCForumID16

http://www.2gnt.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=2184&forum=DCForumID16

"Why dont you all chuck that piece of shit and get a diff FPR? I hear tons of complaints about the FPR in the lower stage HRC kits.. Why dont you all start ordering the kits w/ out the FPR or upgrade to the Bosch that comes w/ the stage 4 & 5?" -Brad Rickard 98 GS HRC Stage V

Pump & FCD:
http://www.2gnt.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=2393&forum=DCForumID16

"I've had at least 3 HRC fcd's. They're horrible. Althought hooking them up is easy, until they totally revise how they're made, you can put them in the same category as the HRC FPR's. ... They both fail miserably through poor quality or lack of ability." -Jason HRC Stage 2

http://www.2gnt.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=2337&forum=DCForumID16

"I have heard both and the walbro that the star kit uses is the quietest one. I have a Walbro and it just whines a little. The HRC fuel pump sounds crazy." - DAVE_FL HRC Stage 2

http://www.2gnt.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1558&forum=DCForumID16

"oh my god that hrc fuel pump is loud - i put my stage II kit in today and i cranked it up and damn that fuel pump is freaking loud. is it supposed to be that freaking loud? and if so how did you guys deaden the sound? I and hear it really bad inside the car! HELP!" - jamesman HRC Stage 2

http://www.2gnt.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1505&forum=DCForumID16

Thanks for reading this, hope you can help!
Dan

I do like this type of input, even if it is off thread in this instance.

I will be back momentarily to add some info!

Thanks,
Bill

Bill Hahn Jr.
98 RS Turbo: 10.87 @ 136 MPH
HRC Stage V with N20
Nation's Fastest Street FWD 2G DSM
www.turbosystem.com

OK, I am back.

To begin, I would like to point out that everyone who has an HRC system has an outlet for their questions: HRC Tech Support. While this board is an excellent resource, nothing comes close to dealing directly with the experts who designed the system and deal with it every day.

That being said, I will provide but one reason why the message board can be misleading: it can give the impression that if one, two, or even several people share their experience on a particular item, that the item in question is therefore experienced by ALL customers. While I am sure that this is not the intent of the posters who merely wish to find a solution, it nonetheless is a possible outcome. With as much effort as we have put into this system, one can imagine our frustration at getting a black eye in such instances, especially if those involved have not fully exploited the Tech Support that we so stridently provide (at no small expense!). To date, we have shipped almost five hundred 420A turbosystems. We stand ready to address and correct issues with ANY of them! Assuredly, we do not have almost five hundred FPR or Fuel Mapper (also referred to as FCD) issues.

I ask any and all who experience or even perceive a problem with their system to first contact us at Tech Support. Three methods exist:

1. Email tech@turbosystem.com. We check it at least once a day.
2. Call 630-801-9065 any weekday afternoon. This is a dedicated line, installed expressly for Tech Support; you will not have to compete with sales or other calls to reach us.
3. Should either of the above prove ineffective for any reason, call our main office: 630-801-1417. Dial Customer Support and they will hook you up!

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Fuel Pressure Regulator: An aspect many may be unaware of is that we have revised our design. Our new Billet design has addressed aspects of idle inconsistency that occasionally surfaced with the previous cast design. Should any owners of cast regulators be experiencing inconsistency, contact Tech Support. We will help you find the cause of the problem (it's not always the regulator itself) and repair or replace the unit under warranty if needed.

Fuel Mapper: I am intriqued by the experiences of Jason ESI-T. Admittedly, I was unaware that he had gone thru three of these. Jason, if you read this, please contact me. I will also try to contact you. To have experienced the same issue three times suggests strongly that the issue may not rest with the mappers themselves; that there may be another interceding aspect that you are unaware of. I would like to help you find and understand this aspect. In doing so, I will not only assist you, I may discover something that we can share with others and/or incorporate into our mapper design. Same goes for anyone else: get with us if you suspect something is up with your mapper or MAP sensor circuit.

Noisy fuel pumps: Yes they are! The ACCEL pump we use has proven to be such a superior and dependable piece that I have resisted the urge to replace it based on noise alone. No, we will not recommend any of the smaller intank units that are hard pressed at the delivery pressures and volumes we specify.

The best bet for those who would like to quiet the pump down: add rubber isolation between the mounting bracket we provide and the car chassis. We opted to provide a secure bracket as opposed to leaving you to your own devices in mounting something as critical as a fuel pump. The bracket design is strong and therefore safe, but it does transmit a large amount of noise into the chassis, where the noise is amplified and reverberates.

In my own RS, I treat the sound as reassurance that my fuel system is ready for action. But I have listened to noisy fuel pumps in hi-po cars for twenty years; I'll admit that my perspective is a bit skewed!

P.S.: You should hear the Weldon pump in our Neon race car! Sounds like a hydraulic pump in a commercial airline. Come to think of it, pilots and A&P mechanics don't seem to mind that noise...

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In closing, I'd like to invite any HRC system owner to please contact myself or my staff with any questions, opinions, problems, or even praise (we LOVE to hear it!). We're there, every day, and you will find no other group of people more knowledgeable about your 420A equipped turbocar!

Boost It!
Bill Hahn Jr.

Bill Hahn Jr.
98 RS Turbo: 10.87 @ 136 MPH
HRC Stage V with N20
Nation's Fastest Street FWD 2G DSM
www.turbosystem.com

Bill, thank you for your attention regarding this matter. I have since returned your email with a long explanation.

Here are a couple of more strings which might better explain some of the problems regarding the fuel mapper:

http://www.2gnt.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1885&forum=DCForumID16

A couple of HRC users' experiences same problam as I once did (LOW clamping voltage:

http://www.2gnt.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1601&forum=DCForumID16

http://www.2gnt.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1917&forum=DCForumID16

Kiku's experience with the VC-2 instead:

http://www.2gnt.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=2198&forum=DCForumID16

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Jason ESi-T

04' BMW 325Ci
91' Nissan 240SX
98' Eagle Talon ESi (sold)

I second Bill's opinion on the fuel pump volume issue: I run not one, but TWO high volume pumps. When my key turns over, my Eclipse sounds like a jet engine. I routinely explain my current use of an OE, 108K mile fuel filter with the fact that i have "enough fuel pump to push gas though a BRICK" - because i do. It's loud, certainly, but if it were ever quiet(er) one day i would immediately know something was wrong. If it's just too loud for you, certainly don't compromise the integrity of the system...

If it's too hot to cook, get outta the kitchen. If the pump is too loud, take off your turbo and send it back, because you aren't ready for the system and you got it for the wrong reasons.

Just my $.02 ...

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I hav enever seen or heard of a "real" saturated 625 cc injector. venom said they sold some, but since my buddy steve was "running out of fuel" on his turboed RS with tem with a super afc...........guess what........not 625's. I know RC doesn't sell any (unless they have changed their selections in the past year or so. you can check fo ryoruself, but from what I understand, nobody makes a saturated 550cc+ injector. Hahn Racecraft also is a LARGE supplier of 4g63 parts. and beleive it or not, the peak and hold 625 cc injector is a VERY common mod from them for the gs-t/gsx (heck, my buddy Jay had some for a while....I think he sent them back 'though). seeing as this is the case, and they didnt' really specify "what car" the injectors or the afc maps were for, I woudl only assume that that setup would be for a turbo'ed 4g63 (I could be wrong.......HRC could probably answer that question the best 'though). but back to the next to original post 'though. if someone "did" make an injector larger than 550 cc with 15 ohms of resistance, what woudl eb the point of all these companies (i.e. howell automotive, HRC, and others) using the accell dfi. the Super AFC would be the only thing one would need. it just doesn't add up, so until I see absolute 100% proof taht it exist, I don't buy it . and no, venom doesn't count

A.D.P.
bring it on............

A.D.P.
"...If you do too much, people become dependant. If you do to little, people loose hope. If you do it right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
bring it on...........

R.C. HAS updated their site. looks like I was wrong after all heheheheheh. OOPS :-p. check the link.
http://www.rceng.com/prices.htm happy boosting!

A.D.P.
bring it on............

A.D.P.
"...If you do too much, people become dependant. If you do to little, people loose hope. If you do it right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
bring it on...........

I resisted as long as i could.

I have reached the point of failure.. It has become too much...

I TOLD YOU SO.

Ouch, damn.. Okay. I'm cool now.. hehe. Sorry!

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well i goto say i'm a proud owner of a hrc stage 2 and i love it except for two little things...
1st my hrc fcd i hooked up a multimeter to my map sensor and hrc wiring to check what it clamps at under boost and it only got to 4.0v! well i called Bill and got me a new one but said, the one i had was ok when i sent it in. so anyways i got a new hrc fcd from bill.... well i decided to hook up my afc since i am planning on putting 315cc injec and a vortex sfmu in soon to replace my fuel system... anyways now i am able to check the voltage on my afc of my map sensor DAME in boost sometimes it will go as low as 3.7v to up to 4.4vmax each time i turned it on it would change it clamping voltage... so i decided not to bother bill and get the vc-2 which i did and each time it will clamp at 4.7v each time going into boost no problem and i got nothing now to worry about... i just keep my hrc fcd in my tool box...=)
2nd my hrc fpr for the 1st month it was not to bad at idle when i 1st start it up and let it idle 55-60psi...
recently ( 2 months ) each time at idle it will be around 60-68about even if i set it at 53-55psi at idle before?? now sometimes if i set at idle at 55psi after i go around town driving my fuel pressure at idle will drop to like 50psi when i come to a stop?? just to remind you only sometimes most of the time it will stay nicely at 55psi or so... i check all my fuel hoses etc its all tight no leaks etc... i hate when my fuel pressure drops or goes below 55psi because my check engine light comes on shortly after then when i check it on my labtop it says, system to lean ... and the time this happens is when i am about to race someone... so i dont race them till i check it out plus when my light goes on it drains my gas like a mad man...
the fuel pump noise sometimes is loud like a plane but hey atleast i know its working and also i can pick up mad ass chicks with it =)
bill i got my hrc stage 2 kit for the late fuel system hmm around early oct around then would the fpr i have be the new and improved one or should i get ahold of you?
thanks
Michael 99gs- hrc stage 2 7-9psi daily =)

Michael
99gs hrc stage 5000 SOLD...
2004 Honda Accord V6 (240 hp)stock
what other car should i buy?? hmmm
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I am happy with HRC. They have always helped me out. Bill has always been pretty quick to respond, and his help has always been appreciated. I dont even care that I have minor probs now and then, just comes with the fun of boosting, loud fuel pump? yeah, so what? everyone knows your big pimpin when they hear your jet start up... just turn up the music if you dont like it. I am problem-less other than my multiply cracked and warped manifold... has always blown gaskets out, and cracks ever time i drive the car it seems, but I am gonna fix that this tear down if my uncle at MKM can hook me up.

So, does that mean w/ a saturated 625 cc injector (the ones on rc's site) all you would need is an s-afc and none of this DFI stuff.

Can someone explain the saturated injector to me a little more?

oh yah hrc customer service rocks dude bill is always there to help...
Michael 99gs- hrc stage 2

Michael
99gs hrc stage 5000 SOLD...
2004 Honda Accord V6 (240 hp)stock
what other car should i buy?? hmmm
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hey, so you guys recommend hrc stage two then get a howell kit, the BIG RC injectors and a S-AFC. WOuld eliminate the need for the FPR from hrc. I have a 95, that means no VC2, no need to clamp voltage...right???

THis would put me at a higher performance level then the HRC 3 mystery kit.
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If you want a turbo kit RIGHT now, I would get a Stage II and then wait to see what HRC has in store for the Stage III (that's if you can wait on getting a Stage III).



Eric Madden

Loud fuel pump?? At first I didnt like it but now Im soo use to it, if I dont hear it...I think something is up. Its like the an aftermarket clutch. If your driving around a couple years with stage4 clutch then buy another car..its gonna be wierd.

Robert Parkhurst
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I love the sound... I just have a sleeper. Stock wheels, GST exhaust, SMIC instead of FMIC, unlighted gauges, etc.

Now its really hard to convince a GST that you're only bolt-on modded when you sound like a 747. Also the sound brings every single Honda within 3 blocks looking for a race.

Obviously these are not problems at the track, but this is my daily driver. The 2G is a gorgeous, pimp around town, girl juicing car. If I wanted a car to just go fast at the track, I'd have gotten a 1G GSX or Dino's favorite- an old Camaro, for about $10,000 less.

Dan