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siloex	May-13-05 04:50 PM
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#85978, "Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"

i just called up the dude ealier today at CI and asked him a few questions. a few things stood out with what he said. he said that the turbo manifold will have an external wastegate flange blocked off with a plate for future upgrades. also, the manifold is going to come with a bung for an egt (i think thats what he said about the bung. i think either it will come with it or it will be an option. maybe they can post something to clarify that.) oh and we can also add or remove things from the kit eg: remove the boost gauge, add a BOV flange to the charge pipe along with a BOV, add a fuel pump, etc etc... one thing that kinda sux is the fact that there wont be an IC but i guess i wouldnt hurt too much cus im only going to run 5-7 psi for now. either way im definatly going to rig something up as soon as i get the kit if i dont find a cheap IC kit for our 420a's. this sounds like a reeeeal good start for the money. what do u guys think??? keep in mind im not concidering this kit a "full bolt on" just a really good start...

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RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, ShadowWulf, May-13-05 04:59 PM, #1

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, ajcfalcon, May-13-05 05:38 PM, #2

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, madhatter210, May-13-05 06:03 PM, #3

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, ShadowWulf, May-13-05 06:07 PM, #4

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, a_miller_76, May-13-05 06:11 PM, #5

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, 420a-Tnthewerks, May-13-05 06:29 PM, #6

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, a_miller_76, May-13-05 06:51 PM, #8

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, 420a-Tnthewerks, May-13-05 07:10 PM, #9

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, djtrickee, May-13-05 06:34 PM, #7

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, siloex, May-13-05 07:43 PM, #10

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, GSGoinFast, May-13-05 08:16 PM, #11

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, tim97rs, May-14-05 04:42 AM, #13

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, ajcfalcon, May-14-05 04:38 AM, #12

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, tim97rs, May-14-05 04:43 AM, #14

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, ConceptIllusions, May-14-05 06:41 AM, #15

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, midnitetill678, May-14-05 01:02 PM, #21

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, WIDECLIPSE, May-14-05 06:45 AM, #16

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, ShadowWulf, May-14-05 07:08 AM, #17

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, djtrickee, May-14-05 07:43 AM, #18

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, ShadowWulf, May-14-05 08:17 AM, #19

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, djtrickee, May-14-05 11:09 AM, #20

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, BlackMagic, May-14-05 07:09 PM, #22

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, siloex, May-15-05 12:20 PM, #23

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, BlackMagic, May-15-05 03:29 PM, #24

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, GSGoinFast, May-15-05 03:33 PM, #25

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, madhatter210, May-15-05 05:53 PM, #26

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, djtrickee, May-15-05 06:48 PM, #27

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, 420a-Tnthewerks, May-15-05 07:06 PM, #28

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, madhatter210, May-15-05 07:58 PM, #29

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, 420a-Tnthewerks, May-15-05 09:33 PM, #30

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, WIDECLIPSE, May-16-05 03:23 AM, #31

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, madhatter210, May-16-05 04:17 AM, #32

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, injendsm, May-19-05 05:15 AM, #33

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, WIDECLIPSE, May-19-05 05:32 AM, #34

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, ajcfalcon, May-19-05 12:17 PM, #35

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, prop7459, May-24-05 05:44 PM, #36

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, midnitetill678, May-24-05 06:37 PM, #37

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, ajcfalcon, May-25-05 03:55 AM, #38

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, tim97rs, May-25-05 05:23 AM, #39

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, djtrickee, May-25-05 05:27 AM, #40

RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit, SANDMAN, May-27-05 08:25 AM, #41

ShadowWulf	May-13-05 04:59 PM
Member since Jan 24th 2005 95 posts,

#85979, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
In response to Reply # 0

Looks like its working up to be the first buyer-customizable turbo kit...
If so, then there going to get ALOT of business. Like MINE for one.
Once the rebuild is done im looking forward to the high-comp (11.5:1) low boost "alternative" for an upgrade and for this price this is prooably gonna be it.

http://www.dsmregistry.com/detail.php?carid=1167

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ajcfalcon	May-13-05 05:38 PM
Member since Nov 22nd 2003 1104 posts,

#85981, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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i too am interested in the kit, i think they may have a good thing going here... and i second the comment about them having a lot of business because of this customize-able deal.

I honestly cant wait to see what will come of this...

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madhatter210	May-13-05 06:03 PM
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#85983, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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May-13-05 06:06 PM by madhatter210

yea yea , regardless of what you can do when you make an order has anyone seen any numbers on this kit? What about anyone else using this kit? Whos making the manifolds? How long has it been tested/ has it been tested. Even if its half the cost of a "complete" kit, if something fails then what? Is there tech support if issues arrise? Just putting it out there "kind of the smart shopper thing to do".

I won't get into whats been talked about the last week or so if you all missed it, but were not talking about porting a tb and powdercoating it, or resale. Your talking about a custom made "kit" that still needs things to be considered complete. Why hasn't shawn been on to drop us the info on this. I know hes aware of the threads here. If alls good then I also would be game to give it a try but without all the answers I would wait till I had the flow for a sure, dyno proven, track tested kit that the tech info here is familar with.

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ShadowWulf	May-13-05 06:07 PM
Member since Jan 24th 2005 95 posts,

#85984, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Unfortunatly, what youre talking about is expensive (though it should be done.) As a new company (and one of the few trying to HELP us 420A guys!) they may not have the resources of another larger company.

If it comes down to it, im guessing several of the members on this board are likely going to be the so called "Dyno-tested, track-proven" numbers people are looking for. Good or bad...

Then again, if they wanted to sponsor a few of us

http://www.dsmregistry.com/detail.php?carid=1167

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a_miller_76	May-13-05 06:11 PM
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#85985, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Originally posted by ShadowWulf
Unfortunatly, what youre talking about is expensive (though it should be done.) As a new company (and one of the few trying to HELP us 420A guys!) they may not have the resources of another larger company. If it comes down to it, im guessing several of the members on this board are likely going to be the so called "Dyno-tested, track-proven" numbers people are looking for. Good or bad... Then again, if they wanted to sponsor a few of us

You should never test your product on your consumer

What bothers me is the statement "This is a complete bolt-on kit" on their website and it is NOT. There are so many missing parts it's rediculous. Simply the fact that they can't include a freaking fuel pump boggles my mind. Some kid is gonna buy this kit because it's $1100 and "bolt it in" and blow his engine first time he hits the road just because there's no fuel support, bov, or other necessary items to make this a reliable kit.

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420a-Tnthewerks	May-13-05 06:29 PM
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#85987, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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May-13-05 06:34 PM by 420a-Tnthewerks

What the hell's with all the fuel pump concern? A Walbro 255lph fuel pump is $90. Go fuckin buy one, rather than wasting money on an inline you don't need. Pick your own BOV rather than a stock 3000GT POS.

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a_miller_76	May-13-05 06:51 PM
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#85989, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks
What the hell's with all the fuel pump concern? A Walbro 255lph fuel pump is $90. Go fuckin buy one, rather than wasting money on an inline you don't need. Pick your own BOV rather than a stock 3000GT POS.

It's the principle of the matter, not the fact that a fuel pump is $90.

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420a-Tnthewerks	May-13-05 07:10 PM
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#85990, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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May-13-05 07:18 PM by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by a_miller_76

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks What the hell's with all the fuel pump concern? A Walbro 255lph fuel pump is $90. Go fuckin buy one, rather than wasting money on an inline you don't need. Pick your own BOV rather than a stock 3000GT POS.

It's the principle of the matter, not the fact that a fuel pump is $90.

That guy said you can add a fuel pump if you want.

Edit- does anybody know the exact amount the stock FP can handle? Like, for a fact and not guessing.

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djtrickee	May-13-05 06:34 PM
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#85988, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Originally posted by siloex
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siloex	May-13-05 07:43 PM
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#85991, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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na dude. i work for USAF in virginia, SrA 10IS TS/sci LOL i know somebody will understand all that... i just thought people would be interested in what he had to say. maybe even spark up a good thread where CI would finally start spitting some numbers at us. oh and another thing, he did say they're all working on producing some numbers for us but i think he was talking about the "stage 2" kit. but anyway, for the most part, i think most of the guys or gals (i would love to see one) that are looking into this kit is preety knowledgable on what is required to turbo an N/A. i hope. also, the way i see it is im not going to worry about "the people". im looking to piece together a kit for myself not for anyone else. their job is to worry about "the people" not i. i do realize i am part of "the people", but if shit goes bad then i'll fix it. i mean what usually goes bad with a kit? the welds? then i'll weld it again. if that doesnt work then i'll make one for myself like alot of people do around here. if one of the components fails on me then i'll replace it. even if one component fails, its still a hell of a deal. im sure they are and have been hard at work with making this kit. i think from their past sales history, they seem to have some credability. i guess what im trying to say is sure theres going to be problems with the kit. nothing is perfect. im always hearing about how the hahn kit has all these problems and does that stop people from buying them? NOPE... whats really at risk here given the kit will be low psi? the engine??? not likely unless something breaks and flies in there or holds the wastegate closed but does that really happen??? this isnt final destination. what else? the $1K?? sure if all the freaking parts broke which is also not likely. i guess all i have to say is wish me luck LOL... i'll get the kit and let u guys know how it turns out.

hey u think theres some kind of discount for beeing CI lab rat? naaa im sure they have some locals for that as we speek.

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GSGoinFast	May-13-05 08:16 PM
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#85992, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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You guys want proven numbers and good tech support? like the tech support we get from star? or the "proven" hahn power numbers of 200-225 hp with only 5 psi non intercooled? or 250-275 at 8 psi intercooled? those numbers seem a bit farfetched to me

you guys are getting so picky on this company over things that the proven companies dont even give you.

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tim97rs	May-14-05 04:42 AM
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#85999, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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May-14-05 04:43 AM by tim97rs

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ajcfalcon	May-14-05 04:38 AM
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#85998, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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May-14-05 04:40 AM by ajcfalcon

Originally posted by siloex
na dude. i work for USAF in virginia, SrA 10IS TS/sci LOL i know somebody will understand all that... i just thought people would be interested in what he had to say. maybe even spark up a good thread where CI would finally start spitting some numbers at us. oh and another thing, he did say they're all working on producing some numbers for us but i think he was talking about the "stage 2" kit. but anyway, for the most part, i think most of the guys or gals (i would love to see one) that are looking into this kit is preety knowledgable on what is required to turbo an N/A. i hope. also, the way i see it is im not going to worry about "the people". im looking to piece together a kit for myself not for anyone else. their job is to worry about "the people" not i. i do realize i am part of "the people", but if shit goes bad then i'll fix it. i mean what usually goes bad with a kit? the welds? then i'll weld it again. if that doesnt work then i'll make one for myself like alot of people do around here. if one of the components fails on me then i'll replace it. even if one component fails, its still a hell of a deal. im sure they are and have been hard at work with making this kit. i think from their past sales history, they seem to have some credability. i guess what im trying to say is sure theres going to be problems with the kit. nothing is perfect. im always hearing about how the hahn kit has all these problems and does that stop people from buying them? NOPE... whats really at risk here given the kit will be low psi? the engine??? not likely unless something breaks and flies in there or holds the wastegate closed but does that really happen??? this isnt final destination. what else? the $1K?? sure if all the freaking parts broke which is also not likely. i guess all i have to say is wish me luck LOL... i'll get the kit and let u guys know how it turns out. hey u think theres some kind of discount for beeing CI lab rat? naaa im sure they have some locals for that as we speek.

If you really have a TS/SSBI/SCI and some sort of degree then you should email me your resume. I work for CIBER.

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tim97rs	May-14-05 04:43 AM
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#86000, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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May-14-05 04:44 AM by tim97rs

Originally posted by GSGoinFast
You guys want proven numbers and good tech support? like the tech support we get from star? or the "proven" hahn power numbers of 200-225 hp with only 5 psi non intercooled?

or 250-275 at 8 psi intercooled? those numbers seem a bit farfetched to me you guys are getting so picky on this company over things that the proven companies dont even give you.

true. hell, even the big auto makers stretch thier numbers. but at least the proven companies are just that...proven.
any turbo kit will add HP, regardless of if its 195 or 255, its still better than 120.
let this CI company come on here and if "they're for us 420a guys tryin to help us out with more options" (as some bleeding hearts have said) and sell us on thier kits. lets see if they actualy have the follow thru to get a kit out after its been paid for. lets see if they have most everyhting in stock, or if they have to oder it from someone else first (ala-Fuzion perf.)

since they do other cars as well, i doubt they are as interested in us 420a guys as some might think/hope.

someon needs to just buy a damn kit instead of asking the $0.25 question of "what do you guys think", and let us hear about it, otherwise CI will go the way of NER, Fuzion, Lees' MS, and all the other lesser known "companies" trying to "better" their wallets....uhm...i mean... us 420a guys.

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ConceptIllusions	May-14-05 06:41 AM
Member since Sep 05th 2003 188 posts,

#86003, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Wow reading up on these posts i must say this.. im a 420a guy to heart.. i have owned the blue eclipse on my site for years now.. myself and my crew have went through painless hours trying to put together the ultimate turbo kit for the 420a.. we want people to be able to have what they want.. i purchased a star turbo kit back in the day and ended up changing out just about every component.. the stage 1 kit we offer is meant to get people started.. stage 2 kits will offer whatever you want.. not set pieces..intercooled you got it.. super 60 you got it....greddy bov...etc... we have been testing this stage 1 kit on a few local cars and everything has been great.. as for the fuel setup they have been runnin stock fuel pumps at 6psi no issues at all.. as for warranty issues... we will stand behind our kits 100% were only a phone call away to help out with any tech questions.. we offer a 1 year warranty on the turo manifolds against cracking.. on the turbos we offer a 90 day warranty.. we appreciate all of the input from everyone... as for the website we have been working on an ecommerce site and havent done much with the current site..bear with us

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midnitetill678	May-14-05 01:02 PM
Member since Jan 19th 2005 176 posts,

#86013, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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what type of ship dates are we talking on the stage 1 kits? what type of date are we talking on the stage two and three kits (what im more interested in)

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WIDECLIPSE	May-14-05 06:45 AM
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#86004, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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And I could be wrong, but those numbers that hahn gave could be at the crank

-Roman

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ShadowWulf	May-14-05 07:08 AM
Member since Jan 24th 2005 95 posts,

#86006, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Lets give em a break. As son as i have the dough i plan on ordering one of these because lets just face, the PRICE IS RIGHT! No fuel pump, bov, etc? Who gives a damn since its all stuff i was going to do myself anyways. Really, all i need in a kit is a manifold, turbo, missing link, gaskets pipes oil lines etc. Just the basics. The rest ill do myself, since its all minor stuff anyways.

And as someone said above this is obviously being marketed to people here who know something about something. If some idiot wants to slap an incomplete kit on his car and blow it up because he is a nimrod, so be it. Maybe he will learn something after that.

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djtrickee	May-14-05 07:43 AM
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#86007, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
In response to Reply # 17

Originally posted by ShadowWulf
As son as i have the dough i plan on ordering one of these

Originally posted by ShadowWulf
If some idiot wants to slap an incomplete kit on his car and blow it up because he is a nimrod, so be it.

This is getting exciting!

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ShadowWulf	May-14-05 08:17 AM
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#86009, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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May-14-05 08:17 AM by ShadowWulf

I figured you'd get the point....

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djtrickee	May-14-05 11:09 AM
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#86012, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Originally posted by ShadowWulf

I figured you'd get the point....

Originally posted by ShadowWulf If some idiot wants to slap an incomplete kit on his car and blow it up because he is a nimrod, so be it.

Make sure to take pics when it blows... now THAT should be exciting!

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BlackMagic	May-14-05 07:09 PM
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#86014, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Originally posted by WIDECLIPSE
And I could be wrong, but those numbers that hahn gave could be at the crank

yea they're at the crank

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siloex	May-15-05 12:20 PM
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#86018, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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hey i never thought about it but could the stock fuel pump supply enough fuel for a turbo'd 420a thats running 6-7 psi??? from the begining of my "turbo research" i have never heard of a kit that doesnt come with some kind of fuel pump. does anyone know how high of a psi when a fuel pump is necesary???

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BlackMagic	May-15-05 03:29 PM
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#86021, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Originally posted by siloex
hey i never thought about it but could the stock fuel pump supply enough fuel for a turbo'd 420a thats running 6-7 psi??? from the begining of my "turbo research" i have never heard of a kit that doesnt come with some kind of fuel pump. does anyone know how high of a psi when a fuel pump is necesary???

there have been other posts with this enough, and people asking why it doesn't come with a fuel pump, but given the fact that you can get one for 100 dollars, it doesn't really matter that much, but they say you can run 6psi or so on the stock fuel pump

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GSGoinFast	May-15-05 03:33 PM
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#86023, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Originally posted by BlackMagic

Originally posted by siloex hey i never thought about it but could the stock fuel pump supply enough fuel for a turbo'd 420a thats running 6-7 psi??? from the begining of my "turbo research" i have never heard of a kit that doesnt come with some kind of fuel pump. does anyone know how high of a psi when a fuel pump is necesary???

there have been other posts with this enough, and people asking why it doesn't come with a fuel pump, but given the fact that you can get one for 100 dollars, it doesn't really matter that much, but they say you can run 6psi or so on the stock fuel pump

i dont think the question is how much Boost psi you can run, but how much fuel psi you can run on a stock pump

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madhatter210	May-15-05 05:53 PM
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#86026, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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May-15-05 05:54 PM by madhatter210

Originally posted by GSGoinFast

Originally posted by BlackMagic

Originally posted by siloex hey i never thought about it but could the stock fuel pump supply enough fuel for a turbo'd 420a thats running 6-7 psi??? from the begining of my "turbo research" i have never heard of a kit that doesnt come with some kind of fuel pump. does anyone know how high of a psi when a fuel pump is necesary???

there have been other posts with this enough, and people asking why it doesn't come with a fuel pump, but given the fact that you can get one for 100 dollars, it doesn't really matter that much, but they say you can run 6psi or so on the stock fuel pump

i dont think the question is how much Boost psi you can run, but how much fuel psi you can run on a stock pump

Here let me answer this like a bewbie that knows the search, I searched and every thread I found on a site we all look up to says don't boost on a stock fp. I mean for real, doesn't it sound like we are beating a dead horse on the CI turbo. The marketing for the dumbass in hopes that they can blame user error.Just an IMO. Without me going into the long winded of why to not, heres a sample post and I have learned alot from them and maxium boost and god knows what else besides reading, but why? is my question for the guys wanting this kit. Yea yea I have heard the well im going to do the fuel system from what I know blah blah blah. But yet the person marketing the kit is telling people other wise, "awww you don't need an upgrade till after 6 psi" Bullshit imo. Why push to the brink of destruction for a couple hundred bucks? Add this kit up to what it takes to be complete and you wind up with the cost of something that is, doh.Its ok to be cheap but don't be to cheap when it come to performance because you will regret it in the end.

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djtrickee	May-15-05 06:48 PM
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#86027, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Originally posted by madhatter210
Here let me answer this like a bewbie that knows the search, I searched and every thread I found on a site we all look up to says don't boost on a stock fp. I mean for real, doesn't it sound like we are beating a dead horse on the CI turbo. The marketing for the dumbass in hopes that they can blame user error.Just an IMO. Without me going into the long winded of why to not, heres a sample post and I have learned alot from them and maxium boost and god knows what else besides reading, but why? is my question for the guys wanting this kit. Yea yea I have heard the well im going to do the fuel system from what I know blah blah blah. But yet the person marketing the kit is telling people other wise, "awww you don't need an upgrade till after 6 psi" Bullshit imo. Why push to the brink of destruction for a couple hundred bucks? Add this kit up to what it takes to be complete and you wind up with the cost of something that is, doh.Its ok to be cheap but don't be to cheap when it come to performance because you will regret it in the end. http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=set_threaded_mode&forum=8&page=&topic_id=82636&prev_page=show_mesg

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420a-Tnthewerks	May-15-05 07:06 PM
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#86028, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
In response to Reply # 26

Originally posted by madhatter210

Originally posted by GSGoinFast

Originally posted by BlackMagic

Originally posted by siloex hey i never thought about it but could the stock fuel pump supply enough fuel for a turbo'd 420a thats running 6-7 psi??? from the begining of my "turbo research" i have never heard of a kit that doesnt come with some kind of fuel pump. does anyone know how high of a psi when a fuel pump is necesary???

there have been other posts with this enough, and people asking why it doesn't come with a fuel pump, but given the fact that you can get one for 100 dollars, it doesn't really matter that much, but they say you can run 6psi or so on the stock fuel pump

i dont think the question is how much Boost psi you can run, but how much fuel psi you can run on a stock pump

Here let me answer this like a bewbie that knows the search, I searched and every thread I found on a site we all look up to says don't boost on a stock fp. I mean for real, doesn't it sound like we are beating a dead horse on the CI turbo. The marketing for the dumbass in hopes that they can blame user error.Just an IMO. Without me going into the long winded of why to not, heres a sample post and I have learned alot from them and maxium boost and god knows what else besides reading, but why? is my question for the guys wanting this kit. Yea yea I have heard the well im going to do the fuel system from what I know blah blah blah. But yet the person marketing the kit is telling people other wise, "awww you don't need an upgrade till after 6 psi" Bullshit imo. Why push to the brink of destruction for a couple hundred bucks? Add this kit up to what it takes to be complete and you wind up with the cost of something that is, doh.Its ok to be cheap but don't be to cheap when it come to performance because you will regret it in the end. http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=set_threaded_mode&forum=8&page=&topic_id=82636&prev_page=show_mesg

Uh, DSMRoadster says in that exact thread he was fine with 5psi with the stock pump. HAHA, nice.

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madhatter210	May-15-05 07:58 PM
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#86029, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
In response to Reply # 28

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by madhatter210

Originally posted by GSGoinFast

Originally posted by BlackMagic

Originally posted by siloex hey i never thought about it but could the stock fuel pump supply enough fuel for a turbo'd 420a thats running 6-7 psi??? from the begining of my "turbo research" i have never heard of a kit that doesnt come with some kind of fuel pump. does anyone know how high of a psi when a fuel pump is necesary???

there have been other posts with this enough, and people asking why it doesn't come with a fuel pump, but given the fact that you can get one for 100 dollars, it doesn't really matter that much, but they say you can run 6psi or so on the stock fuel pump

i dont think the question is how much Boost psi you can run, but how much fuel psi you can run on a stock pump

Here let me answer this like a bewbie that knows the search, I searched and every thread I found on a site we all look up to says don't boost on a stock fp. I mean for real, doesn't it sound like we are beating a dead horse on the CI turbo. The marketing for the dumbass in hopes that they can blame user error.Just an IMO. Without me going into the long winded of why to not, heres a sample post and I have learned alot from them and maxium boost and god knows what else besides reading, but why? is my question for the guys wanting this kit. Yea yea I have heard the well im going to do the fuel system from what I know blah blah blah. But yet the person marketing the kit is telling people other wise, "awww you don't need an upgrade till after 6 psi" Bullshit imo. Why push to the brink of destruction for a couple hundred bucks? Add this kit up to what it takes to be complete and you wind up with the cost of something that is, doh.Its ok to be cheap but don't be to cheap when it come to performance because you will regret it in the end. http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=set_threaded_mode&forum=8&page=&topic_id=82636&prev_page=show_mesg

Uh, DSMRoadster says in that exact thread he was fine with 5psi with the stock pump. HAHA, nice.

yea for four weeks douche nozzle and it wasn't on purpose. Like I said, why run to the brink of disaster if you don't have to. I guess my point seeing though it needs to be explainded to you.Jesus take your bi-polar meds, some days your all right the next your just a clucking idiot who strives to break nuts on pointless issues just to be an ass. Hey, your probably right forget what I said, and that goes for all I'm done with the CI,fu,sp bullshit, you all should buy and be merry, a/f is over rated anyways.

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420a-Tnthewerks	May-15-05 09:33 PM
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#86031, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Originally posted by madhatter210
yea for four weeks douche nozzle and it wasn't on purpose. Like I said, why run to the brink of disaster if you don't have to. I guess my point seeing though it needs to be explainded to you.Jesus take your bi-polar meds, some days your all right the next your just a clucking idiot who strives to break nuts on pointless issues just to be an ass. Hey, your probably right forget what I said, and that goes for all I'm done with the CI,fu,sp bullshit, you all should buy and be merry, a/f is over rated anyways.

HAHA, I just pointed out what he said, DANG. And, how do you know how long the stocker will last? How do you know where the "brink of disaster" is?

2nd, who gives a shit, BUY A FUCKING FUEL PUMP. <--Yes, it's that easy.

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WIDECLIPSE	May-16-05 03:23 AM
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#86034, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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May-16-05 03:24 AM by WIDECLIPSE

Just thought I'd post this up since they changed the site. Doesn't look bad at all, and you can't beat the price. Go to their stage 2 kit.

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madhatter210	May-16-05 04:17 AM
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#86035, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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May-16-05 04:18 AM by madhatter210

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks
who gives a shit, BUY A FUCKING FUEL PUMP.

I guess I'm just under estimating the knowledge of people who will buy the kit. Even though its marketed as a bolt and go, everyone is going to know the needed essentials and upgrades that should be done at some point.I'm also sure most of the questions will only be related to "where to tap my oilpan". Like I said I'm really done talking about it, not my money so lets reflect on some q&a with terry and CI

Originally posted by ConceptIllusions(~kit statment~This kit is a true bolt on! Stock engines can handle 7psi safely and produce an extra 80hp.. These kits can easily be upgraded to a stage 2 or even just upgraded to one of our front mount intercooler kits. We also can weld on your choice of BOV flange)
truthfully i dont think anyone will need an upgraded pump to run stage 1 at 6-7psi.
we just have to get some type of instructions printed up for the novice do it yourselfer.

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
Are you prepared to re-imburse people for problems related to lack of fuel for a stage1? Your going to need to. There is no such thing as a Garrett T3 "standard trim" Every turbo has a trim measurement, A/R ratio for both the turbine and compressor. Based on that i would say your turbo kit is a bit shaky. Your Ad is very misleading......anyone who has a built motor just turn up the boost if you have our FMIC.....Great so now you are promoting raising the boost with no fuel. You sound more like a Newb looking to turbo a car. Terry

Originally posted by ConceptIllusions
Yes your right i think we need to reword the ad.. it does make it sound like you can just crank up the boost without adding more fuel.. tuners get the drift.. newbies may be confused. thanks for the input.. as for the stage 1 turbo specs we will be offering a garrett t3 A/R .48 turbine A/R .42 compressor we consider this a standard trim to us seeing that most t3s we buy come that way.. weve been testing this kit for over 3 months now on a few local cars and have seen great results on stock fuel system at 6psi

I just want to interject for a sec I would love to see the results, I can get three runs on a dyno for 75. But I'm thinking we will see those when the first kits are out before we hear of problems. ok back to terry

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
that is a very common turbo and cheaply priced one. You might help buyers by offering a .63/.50 trim t3/t4. the one you are considering standard will only be good for 8-9 psi. at that point the turbine will become way to restrictive at higher rpms and the compressor will not flow nearly enough to perform well. Many people who just want to bolt on a kit for stage 1 and be happy will be fine but anyone who has plans to go 15psi+ will end up spending more money in the long run. The problem for you is once the buyer has his stage 1 installed and wants to go to 10PSI+ he will be forced to sell his "standard Garrett, which won't sell, he will have his money wasted in that small turbo. In turn he will look for a used turbo to upgrade with and you lose a customer/sale. To be a competitive Turbo kit retailer you need to have a well designed stage 1 that is easily upgraded to a stage2. Having to replace the turbo from stage 1 to stage 2 will hurt sales. Yes your stage 1 will be 300.00 more but it will be worth it to the buyers. Also you need a Defined "map" for upgrading. Having the Stage 2 kits designed will onyl help the sales of the stage 1 since the buyer will know what to plan on. Just stating that you have a stage 2 in the works doesnt give the buyer a Warm fuzzy feeling. The most important aspect of your sales should be dyno slips. Just because you chose a turbo and bolted it on doesnt mean it's performance will be optimun for the kit/motor combo. The basic idea is that not all forced air is created equal. Hahn Racecraft will be your competitor and has gotten to where he is for a reason.....price doesnt mean shit when your buying a turbo kit, you get what you pay for and the first legit unhappy person on this board will ruin what your trying to accomplish. You must be prepared to present proof your kit will perform to the expectations of the public. Those of us that have been here for some time and do fabricating are going to make it very difficult on you. We demand more than the average kit thrown together for our Newb's...lol We will be the people who get questions on how to do this and that with your kit, and there will be no way for you to be on here 24/7. Good luck to you, look forward to seeing which direction you go and what you come up with. Terry

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injendsm	May-19-05 05:15 AM
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#86131, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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somebody buy this kit already and let me know how it is via pm so i can scrounge up some money and buy one.

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WIDECLIPSE	May-19-05 05:32 AM
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#86132, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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According to what's listed in their stage 2 kit, the only thing I could question is the mani., IC, or the DP. The mani. looks like the star mani. and as long as they didn't skimp on the material they used or the welds, it should be good. The IC is kind of small, only being 2.75 in. in thickness, but they say it maxes at 400hp. The DP should be fine as long as it fits. I mean, most people could have a DP made for close to nothing, and that's only IF theirs isn't good enough(which I think it will be fine). Everything else is name brand good shit. $2500 is an excellent price for all that.

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ajcfalcon	May-19-05 12:17 PM
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#86142, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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i'll probably go for the stage 1 kit and piece together an intercooler kit... you really cant beat that price. I will be waiting for more specs on the kit before i buy it though.

If this is legit and they are selling quality parts, then i am very excited. However, so far they have proven nothing and in fact made statements that belong nowhere other than egay.

We will see what happens i guess..

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prop7459	May-24-05 05:44 PM
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#86316, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Concept came to their sense by adding a fuel pump to the stage one. The price is $1290. To me that is still a good price.

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midnitetill678	May-24-05 06:37 PM
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#86317, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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anyone know of what type of for sale dates we are talking on stage 1 and stage 2 kits? havent gotten an email answer from concept.

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ajcfalcon	May-25-05 03:55 AM
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#86322, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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i talked to the guy last night. He said they are in the process of moving locations so they are trying to organize everything before they release it. They are shooting for next wednesday for the stage 1 kits... i dont know about the stage 2.

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tim97rs	May-25-05 05:23 AM
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#86325, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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ahhh shit.. there goes that "moving locationss" shit again.... seems we've heard that before. Why is it that every shop seems to be always "moving locations"?

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djtrickee	May-25-05 05:27 AM
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#86326, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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Originally posted by tim97rs
ahhh shit.. there goes that "moving locationss" shit again.... seems we've heard that before. Why is it that every shop seems to be always "moving locations"?

Makes it harder to track them down when you get a box full of bricks.

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SANDMAN	May-27-05 08:25 AM
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#86369, "RE: Concecpt Illusions Turbo kit"
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I've been to HRC and have seent he actual dyno sheets for his various stages. Numbers everyone I see here put down are nothing compared to what he has. It's all in the tuning.

The numbers he lists are crankHP

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