I was surfing on CI website and found that they offer a stage turbo kit for the 420a for $1190. The kit will be release on May 23, so I was just wondering what you guys think about this kit. Not a bad price for a stage though. Here is what the kit includes.

CI Stage 1 Turbo Kit



This Stage 1 Turbo Kit includes the following
Turbo Manifold

Garrett T3 Standard Trim Internally Gated

Down Pipe Adaptor

Charge Pipe

FMU

Missing Link

All Couplers, Clamps, Gaskets, Fittings and Oil Lines

This kit is a true bolt on! Stock engines can handle 7psi safely and produce an extra 80hp.. for those of you running built engines crank up the boost and get even more power.. but dont forget to upgrade to one of our front mount intercooler kits!



Stage 1 Turbo Kit $1190

PreOrder and Pay for yours today! Call us for more details!

Kits will be released May 23rd!

Also Check their website to see how the kit is bolted on. www.conceptillusions.com. I can't post the pictures

no BOV, Fuel pump, gauges, vac lines? hoses?

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

Damn, even if its missing the other parts, its not a bad price for what it is (i wanna see the manifold close up though).



Maybe i can go turbo eventually for this kind of price.....

http://www.dsmregistry.com/detail.php?carid=1167

Is concept illusions the company that offered the "Cross Drilled Timing Belt" that gave you 50 hp?? or was that someone else

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

I'd buy it if there was more specs on it

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98 Silver Eclipse RS ATX
CAI, header, bored TB, Apex N1, Pro-kit/Tokico combo, custom lower tie bars, cross drilled/slotted rotors

crush bent ic pipes? looks like a kit that drunk women made in the sewing factory.

They seem to have good prices on rods, pistons, etc. Has anyone ever ordered anything from these people?

My mistake, it wasnt concept illusions with the cross drilled timing belt it was Fuzion Performance... sorry

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

it makes me laugh everytime i see the name fuzion performance.. lol

Concept Illusions are the guys that do the throttle body porting and powder coating off ebay... i know of a few people on here that have ordered those from them and have been very satisfied with it.

My question was the same as above... what about the fuel pump and blow off valve? id be interested, except i see another scam ebay turbo kit when it says "complete bolt on turbo kit.... honestly it is...", then it has a list with half the parts missing. i hope im wrong...

the company is registered on this board maybe they can post some info on this kit

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98 Silver Eclipse RS ATX
CAI, header, bored TB, Apex N1, Pro-kit/Tokico combo, custom lower tie bars, cross drilled/slotted rotors

their customer service is pretty good. i was a little turned off by their company at first when i ordered an EGR block-off kit that DID NOT BOLT UP. but after one email, they refunded my money in full AND sent me a replacement plate at no charge. they then posted in a thread i had started to document how they handled the issue. they explained why the problem had occured and that the person who was causing it was "no longer with them" for the exact reason.

so while i was disappointed with the quality of the first part i had received, i was more than satisifed with how well they handled the situation. because of that i'd be more than willing to buy from them again.

http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=72323&mesg_id=72323&listing_type=search

-marc

I still can't fucking believe that some of you shitpounders thought that the "cross-drilled timing belt" was real! That was strictly intended as a joke (I e-mailed Fuzion to confirm). They had replaced a timing belt, and decided to have some fun with it.

Wow. The IQ around here is falling even lower.

that t3 wont run out of breath at 8-9 psi, its the standard turbododge turbo and they have no problem with it until they are making serious power

2005 Legacy GT Ltd, Garnet Red Pearl
speak softly and spool a big turbo

Originally posted by ajcfalcon

Originally posted by Ducking_Fumbass I still can't fucking believe that some of you shitpounders thought that the "cross-drilled timing belt" was real! That was strictly intended as a joke (I e-mailed Fuzion to confirm). They had replaced a timing belt, and decided to have some fun with it. Wow. The IQ around here is falling even lower.

i dont think one single person thought it was real... wow to yourself for being so naive. Just because you talked to the guy from fuzion performance doesnt mean the guy is not a complete moron. He came in here trying to sell "turbo kits" that werent kits. It was something rediculous like, no piping and no fuel system for $1300... whatever it was, proved this guys lack of intelligence. If you believe on thing that guy said then i feel sorry for you. I am just glad that concept illusions has SOME kind of credibility, and judging by the website it looks like it COULD be the new howell Please concept illusion dude... consider throwing in a fuel pump... just for safety sake...

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All i know is that fuzion performance guy is a complete choad, and i sincerely hope that CI has nothing to do with him. I am actually interested in one these kits... however i would not give that FP dude one pennie of my money.

Wow you guys are fast.. we didnt even get to post about the kits yet.. Ok first off let me tell you guys this... the piping in the kits will not be crush bent.. that pic is from my old setup back in 01.. all of our piping is mandrel bent.. Stage 1 kit will be released this month and included everything listed above.. fuel pump will not be included and truthfully i dont think anyone will need an upgraded pump to run stage 1 at 6-7psi.. Soon as our intercooler kits and piping get finished up we'll release stage 2 and 3 with a bunch of options that will let you pick fuel pump injectors and whatnot.. these kits will be full bolt on with no running to the parts store.. if its one thing we hate is running to get parts for something thats supposed to include it..we made sure everything would be included to make instalation painless.. we just have to get some type of instructions printed up for the novice do it yourselfer.. also we are doing full 3" race downpipes for our kits and a full 3" catback exhaust system full mandrel bent aluminized steel piping... and for you hardcore guys like myself.. ive designed a drag pipe kit that runs directly from the turbo right out the front bumper.. its awsome and includes all hardware and a nice aluminum plate to cover the hole.. if anyone has any questions call us at the shop at 724-349-3180 , drop us an email at sales@conceptillusions.com or we can be reached on aol screen name conceptillusions.. and as always thanks for all of your support!

www.cimotorsports.net

Are you prepared to re-imburse people for problems related to lack of fuel for a stage1? Your going to need to.

There is no such thing as a Garrett T3 "standard trim" Every turbo has a trim measurement, A/R ratio for both the turbine and compressor.

Based on that i would say your turbo kit is a bit shaky.

Your Ad is very misleading......anyone who has a built motor just turn up the boost if you have our FMIC.....Great so now you are promoting raising the boost with no fuel.

You sound more like a Newb looking to turbo a car.

Terry

Yes your right i think we need to reword the ad.. it does make it sound like you can just crank up the boost without adding more fuel.. tuners get the drift.. newbies may be confused. thanks for the input.. as for the stage 1 turbo specs we will be offering a garrett t3 A/R .48 turbine A/R .42 compressor we consider this a standard trim to us seeing that most t3s we buy come that way.. weve been testing this kit for over 3 months now on a few local cars and have seen great results on stock fuel system at 6psi

www.cimotorsports.net

that is a very common turbo and cheaply priced one. You might help buyers by offering a .63/.50 trim t3/t4. the one you are considering standard will only be good for 8-9 psi. at that point the turbine will become way to restrictive at higher rpms and the compressor will not flow nearly enough to perform well. Many peopel who just want to bolt on a kti for stage 1 and be happy will be fine but anyone who has plans to go 15psi+ will end up spending more oney in the long run.

The problem for you is once the buyer has his stage 1 installed and wants to go to 10PSI+ he will be forced to sell his "standard Garrett, which won't sell, he will have his money wasted in that small turbo. In turn he will look for a used turbo to upgrade with and you lose a customer/sale.

To be a competitive Turbo kit retailer you need to have a well designed stage 1 that is easily upgraded to a stage2. Having to replace the turbo from stage 1 to stage 2 will hurt sales. Yes your stage 1 will be 300.00 more but it will be worth it to the buyers. Also you need a Defined "map" for upgrading. Having the Stage 2 kits designed will onyl help the sales of the stage 1 since the buyer will know what to plan on. Just stating that you have a stage 2 in the works doesnt give the buyer a Warm fuzzy feeling. The most important aspect of your sales should be dyno slips. Just because you chose a turbo and bolted it on doesnt mean it's performance will be optimun for the kit/motor combo. The basic idea is that not all forced air is created equal.

Hahn Racecraft will be your competitor and has gotten to where he is for a reason.....price doesnt mean shit when your buying a turbo kit, you get what you pay for and the first legit unhappy person on this board will ruin what your trying to accomplish. You must be prepared to present proof your kit will perform to the expectations of the public.

Those of us that have been here for some time and do fabricating are going to make it very difficult on you. We demand more than the average kit thrown together for our Newb's...lol We will be the people who get questions on how to do this and that with your kit, and there will be no way for you to be on here 24/7.

Good luck to you, look forward to seeing which direction you go and what you come up with.

Terry

Terry- that turbo will work fine up to 18 PSI or so. I know because I ran one for a couple years. The car was fast and I personally think it's a decent turbo... especially considering how cheap and durable they are. Your other concerns regarding fuel and kit stages are very valid points/

ConceptIllusions- did you say that you're going to made a 3" race downpipe for a t3 turbo? What's the point?

I wouldn't push that turbo to 18lbs either, that turbo will do fine at 15lbs, the same with the hahn kit with the 16g. So the turbo is out of the question. Just raise the price of kit to add the fuel pump. Enough with the stage one, lets hear about the stage 2 and 3kits

Dougie i would be curious to see some dyno slips at different psi. Our engine requires 172 CFM N/A at 72% efficiency, 230 CFM at 100% efficiency and the max the 42 A/R will flow is 360 CFM. Thats only 188 CFM for growth while Induction is forced. Now i am not saying our motors will operate at 100% efficency but if gives you a curve for improved efficiency when boost comes into play.

My point is i doubt 14-18 PSI range makes any difference other than spool time and additional heat is introduced.

Also I forgot we need proof that your kits will produce power by spending some time on a dyno and at the track testing these kits. Anyone can put a kit and produce okay results, we need actual numbers. Providing us with this information will helps us and you.

You need a fuel pump. even if your only running 6-7 psi on a stage one, if you use a vortech 12:1 fmu your raising the fuel pressure 70+ psi, which i dont think the stock pump could handle.

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

Honestly, for the price im figuring "What the hell!"

Im going to actually order this stage 1 kit in a month or so now that my motor is rebuilt. Low boost will be way way fine with me now that my rebuild is wrapping up and im high-comp now anyways, so im not going to want to run any more than 5 psi or so anyways.
(damn i love those old AFX manufacturing posts ive been digging up on boot/compression! i think i may be doing something RIGHT for a change!)

http://www.dsmregistry.com/detail.php?carid=1167

Hey, I bought my JE 8.8:1 pistons and rings from Concept Illusions, I recieved them in less than a week. They were very quick to respond to my emails and gave me a hell of a deal for the package. I would definately do business with them again any day. I am looking into getting a stage 1 turbo kit so I can upgrade it with parts I have to get to a stage 3 kit, so I am interested. I do agree that there needs to be more in depth details about everything though. But, we need to just chill out and work toward improving what's out there for our cars and not be to quick to jump on people trying to work into making more parts for our cars. Obviously there have been bogus claims about kits and other crap that people have been ripped off over, but, it's not always best biting the hand that is trying to feed you, even if the food isn't the best, just try to be nice and say, I don't want green beans, I want cherry pie. All in all, I think Concept Illusions is trying to help us out and make money too, I am glad that they are trying to develop a big part for the 2gnt. I thank everyone that asks a lot of questions and tries to stump whoever is trying to sell kits though, it really helps to really show if they know their shit or not. But, this is just all my opinion, I have to go take a damn water pump off right now though. Just got done with the rebuild and the only thing wrong was the damn water pump gushing. At least it wasn't oil. Wahoo.
~Jeffo


Hey, have you seen my tail lights? Yeah, well get used to looking at them.

sounds like a preety good deal to me... i have been doing research for peicing together a kit for myself and this looks like a good starting point. i'll be a guinea pig

You have very valid points, but I don't see eye to eye with you from a sales point of view. I have only been working in retail as a sales person for 2 years and I feel that I have learned a great deal about how people spend their money, and what they are willing to buy. First off every one wants a deal, for some reason when people save money they go nuts. Second not everyone is a major tuner. Lastly people like to have options.
The first stage kit sold by Hahn and star are backed by their names, but their price is almost 2 times what CI is offering, that alone will pull people to buy these kits. What needs to be made clear is that this kit are in fact just the bare bones, the essentials. This may be seen as a down fall but it could be a good marketing ploy. when you buy the Hahn kit you are stuck with what they think your car needs to not go it hell in a hand basket. You get their boost gauge, their flue pump, its all theirs. What if you got to choose your own. I wager that the CI kits would sell 2 times more if they were marketed as a kit that gives you the essentials, and if wanted to can have all of the top end brand name parts added on. I.E. instead of paying extra for the Hahn kit that comes with a 3000gt vr4 bov, this kit does not and thats why its cheaper, why pay for things that you plan to replace. Thats not a good example but it makes the point.

Very true, I was going to buy the star 2 kit, but I want a different BOV, wastegate, IC, FMU, etc. If you were able to buy a kit with the parts you want, that would be something. But, then again, that would be just like making your own turbo kit. I wish someone made an IC pipe kit for cheaper, I would never pay $1000 on the Star IC kit, it's not even that great of an intercooler. I really want to piece my own together, if only we had millions of parts to choose from like the Honduh guys.
~Jeffo


Hey, have you seen my tail lights? Yeah, well get used to looking at them.

Actually its possible to put togather an ic pipe kit for under 200 dollars, but it dosen't look pretty. I work at boater's world and there we sell exaust hose for boats. Its capable of handling a crap load of pressure and heat, comes in any size from 3/8" to 5",and is easily bent. Only down side is that you would need to make a tee fitting for the bov and it dosent look nice at all. Then again the inside is non ribbed. 8 feet of 3 inch goes for 145 dollars or so.
http://www.boatersworld.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&productId=13004504 Here is the hose, we have 3 inch in the stores but my company is ghy and dosen't show it on the web but here is a pic

Concept Illusions, please sell this kit, even if there are guys that don't agree with it. The people that dont like your kit are the guys that have to replace stuff from the other kits anyways, but mainly they have just seen a lot of good friends get taken for what seemed to be really good deals and have grown bitter from it. If you supply a good product, and listen to your customers to correct any future issues, within a years time you'll win over most of the guys on this board and they'll talk about you as much and in the same way as they talk about Hahn. Just keep up the good work, treat us right and we'll treat you right, thank you.

Representing the Central Cali chapter of 2GNT!
(I think I'm the only member )

I just re-did my whole bottom end and I ordered all my parts from Concept Illusions. (JE Pistons and rings .20 over 8:8.1, Eagle H Beam rods, Clevite main bearings, ACL Rod bearings, brand new OEM crank, Melling High Performance Oil Pump, ARP Head Studs, Complete Engine Gasket Kit, OBX Crank Pulley, Timing Belt with Idlers, and had various parts powder coated) One word to describe the experience... INCREDIBLE! Incredible price (cant beat it), Incredible shipping (had my parts 1 week after ordering), Incredible Service. Shawn helped me and still continues to help me with any questions I have about the car. He is only a click away on AIM and he is very busy, but he always finds time to help out a fellow DSMer.

Yeah, I'm telling you, these guys are the shit. Screw waiting months upon months to get the stuff from Howell. (no offense, but come on Howell)
~Jeffo


Hey, have you seen my tail lights? Yeah, well get used to looking at them.