Alright guys, I just finished my eclipse conversion on my talon and the problem is I have no brake lights. I already did a couple searches, it seems this is a common problem, but I didn't get the info I needed. I found a very helpful tech article about how to make your own harnesses and all to get the OEM eclipse tail light effect on a talon, but I don't want that nor do I have the time to do it all. Instead I did what I'll explain below. Please help out if you can.

First of all I cut and extended the reverse power wire and spliced into the ground wire for my reverse lights. Next I took all the wires, bulbs, and harnesses from inside my talon tail lights and plugged them all into where they fit inside the eclipse tail lights hoping to escape the infamous no-brake-light-problem people have with this conversion.

My results were: When headlights are OFF, I have reverse, blinkers in inner bulbs, and a break light in the outter bulb on the RIGHT tail light ONLY. When headlights are ON, I have reverse, blinkers in the inner bulbs, markers in the outter bulbs, and nothing when I hit the brakes.

So, my right side is lighting the marker light when I hit the brakes, but you can't tell at night when I have the headlights on. And the middle bulbs, which I assume are supposed to be my brake lights, never come on.

What is going on and what do I do to fis them???

Please help me out, thanks!
Chris

Chris
95 Talon Esi Turbo

I contributed to the Wiki!
http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=Full_Talon_to_Eclipse_Conversion

Dang man, I have never researched the conversion, but I really did think that it was a straight swap. Not sure if I can take my light harnesses out, but if you need them, you can have them if it will make everything easier. Let me know.

Jonathan
95 Eclipse GS
8 injector
Hahn Stage 3.5
Howell 2.2L Stroker

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haha thanks man, I'll give you a call if I need them. I don't know why they aren't working, At first I just plugged up everything you gave me and I had similar results, then I gutted my talon lights and used all my old wires and all like I said above and it still isn't working... doesn't make sense. The front end couldn't have been easier (by the way I have the mesh all done, and the silverstar bulbs), but the rear end required me rewiring some lights, drilling new holes for the tail light bolts, making new bumper mounts with angle iron, etc... much more involved but it looks great now. just not fully functional yet haha.

Chris
95 Talon Esi Turbo

I contributed to the Wiki!
http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=Full_Talon_to_Eclipse_Conversion

AHHHHHHHHHG....... I redid it all and soldered all my wire connections, still nothing's changed.

picture this, take the talon tail light. unscrew the harness so you can pull the wires out more. take the red and black wires going to the reverse bulb and cut them. then remove the remaining three bulbs. now take two sections of wire about 12 inches long, solder one set of ends to the eclipse reverse light and solder the other ends to the red and black wires you cut from inside the talon lights. set all these wires and bulbs aside for now. grab the eclipse tail light and take all of it's wires and bulbs out and replace them with the ones from the talon tail light you just set aside. screw the harness down to the tail light and plug it back into the car. you would think the car acts exactly the same right?... since you're using the exact same wires and bulbs as you were before, just in a new tail light housing and with relocated reverse lights. wrong. for some reason even though i did exactly as stated above, i now have no brake lights.

can anyone help???

anyone who has done this please help me out!

Chris
95 Talon Esi Turbo

I contributed to the Wiki!
http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=Full_Talon_to_Eclipse_Conversion

Never done this before.. but get a test light or DVOM and have some one push on the break and check to see what wire gets power... Do the same for the rest of your wires. Put in revers and see what wire gets power. Time consuming.. but your running out of options and opinions it seems.

'95 GSX - Big16G ~ Leaks, but atleast it runs.

yes they worked in the talon a few days ago. thanks for the advice I'll be checking the voltage of each wire hopefully today. i hope it's as simple as a blown fuse and i just didn't notice it when i checked them all... thanks again guys

Chris
95 Talon Esi Turbo

I contributed to the Wiki!
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EZ you got it exactly correct, and that's why I was so confused. But the problem is finally solved... and wait till you hear what it was.

All fuses and relays were fine, all connections were soldered well, I checked the voltages across all the wires and even that came up just fine! So if I've got a signal going all the way to the light socket and bulb... but no light comes on, something's happening at the end of the line there. As I checked each one I found small issues I never noticed before.

As for my two corner lights, the ones with their own harnesses, it turns out the tab for the brake line had been bent and broken off of BOTH of them inside the harnesses, but both parking light tabs and ground tabs were fine. weird coincidence.

Then one of the brake/parking bulbs wasn't working at all due to corrosion between the bulb and socket. after cleaning it out it now works perfectly fine.

Lastly, on the other brake/parking light, the ground wire had lost its connection to the socket underneath the plastic where I couldn't see. That too was due to corrosion or age I believe. I temporarily pulled the wire through and zip tied it to the socket to make sure I had a solid connection and it then worked fine.

What are the chances that all 4 brake lights would fail at the same time??? I guess they're 12 years old, never been touched, slowly been corroding over time, and suddenly I pull them out, cut them, solder them, plug them in, pull them out, in, out, etc... all the moving around must have been enough to break what was left of their fragile connections.

So anyway the problem turned out to be smaller than I expected. And I'm in luck, all these problems are happening in the old talon wires and bulbs that I was still using. The new eclipse wires are sitting in my room right now. So today I'll be completely rewiring everything. new eclipse bulbs and sockets wired to the talon harnesses, and while I'm at it I plan to wire it all up to work like OEM eclipse lights.

Thanks for the help guys. I took several detailed pics of the talon to eclipse conversion, and I might as well do the same now with all this wiring, and I think I might write a nice tech article for everyone in the future. There is already a great article on dsmtuners about talon > eclipse tail light wiring, but I don't remember seeing one about the conversion all together.

Chris

Chris
95 Talon Esi Turbo

I contributed to the Wiki!
http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=Full_Talon_to_Eclipse_Conversion

Glad you got it all working. NOW post pics, I wanna see it.

Jonathan
95 Eclipse GS
8 injector
Hahn Stage 3.5
Howell 2.2L Stroker

T O T A L L E D, T H A N K S T O S O M E A S S H A T!!!!!!!!!!!!