ive heard of urethane bumpers sagging. what is that? does it look bad? I dont know if i would be safe with fiberglass, at least on the front. but i dont want something that looks like crap either.

98 Eclipse GSX
www.ridonkulous.com

Sagging looks like the bumper is melting in few spots..

Try imagining that

It is bad, some people try to fix it themselves

They try heat, to melt it, and put it back, or re-inforcements.

The re-inforcments hold it up, but that's like a temporary fix IMO..

DON'T TRY TO FIX IT WITH HEAT, BECAUSE THERE IS A GOOD CHANCE THAT YOU WOULD MESS THE BUMPER UP DOING THAT..

Get fiber glass or blue glass... you can easily fix it up with bondo and touch up paint ..

If anything happens to the urethane, you would need to change the whole bumper which = alot of $$$ , because you can't fix it..

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Mine sagged in the middle, at the bottom along the lip/mouth. I simply used some aluminum angle brackets at Home Depot and it acts as a brace to support it. You never know it's there. Looks great.

The only thing I dont like is my headlight gaps though. Oh well. Someone backed into my ass doing 40 in my apt complex and his tailpipe digged into the bumper after I just got it painted. I sighed relief when all that happened was chipped paint and a little nick. Gotta love urethane. *sighs*

on the other hand, I scrape/bottom out, bla bla everywhere I go and my bumper is still holding strong, if you go fiberglass tho, make SURE you get 5oz reinforced glass or else you'll be breaking it like crazy

1993 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
6 bolt swap COMPLETE!
ACT flywheel, ACT 2600, Joe P MBC, Autometer boost guage, Buschur DP, Buschur high flow cat, prothane motor mounts, BM tranny lsd insert, K&N,balance shafts eliminated, EGR blocked, free mods, and sweet ass 16g @ 18psi.

so anything over 5oz glass should be fairly strong?

98 Eclipse GSX
www.ridonkulous.com

>Mine sagged in the middle, at the bottom along the
>lip/mouth. I simply used some aluminum angle brackets at
>Home Depot and it acts as a brace to support it. You never
>know it's there. Looks great.
>
>The only thing I dont like is my headlight gaps though. Oh
>well. Someone backed into my ass doing 40 in my apt complex
>and his tailpipe digged into the bumper after I just got it
>painted. I sighed relief when all that happened was chipped
>paint and a little nick. Gotta love urethane. *sighs*

Kap- Did you remove your crash bumper in the front too? i had to cause mine wouldnt fit with the crash bumper there...i was told if i got bumped slightly, it would tear through my radiator and ac

The stillen allows you to still have your re-enforcement bar.

That's why they call it the "Still in " haha Man I keeeel myself sometimes hahahaha

well, it should be just plain 5 oz. fiberglass, you'll see it with the "name brand" bumpers.

1993 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
6 bolt swap COMPLETE!
ACT flywheel, ACT 2600, Joe P MBC, Autometer boost guage, Buschur DP, Buschur high flow cat, prothane motor mounts, BM tranny lsd insert, K&N,balance shafts eliminated, EGR blocked, free mods, and sweet ass 16g @ 18psi.

this one kit is 4-6 layer fiberglass, is that anygood?

98 Eclipse GSX
www.ridonkulous.com

got a link? and yea 4-6 is good, just inspect it real well

1993 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
6 bolt swap COMPLETE!
ACT flywheel, ACT 2600, Joe P MBC, Autometer boost guage, Buschur DP, Buschur high flow cat, prothane motor mounts, BM tranny lsd insert, K&N,balance shafts eliminated, EGR blocked, free mods, and sweet ass 16g @ 18psi.

If your gonna go fiberglass then make sure it's hand laid fiberglass and not blown. 95% of the fiberglass kits out there are blown, All of Kaminari's parts are hand laid. It doesn't matter what grade fiberglass you get, it's crap if isn't hand-laid. I had a 6 o.z. blitz front that was blown, even though it was 6 o.z., it had spots that you could see through with a flashlight behind it because of the un-evenness(?). A lady hit me going 15 mph thru a parking lot and it completely ruined my front, shattered into pieces. When I called the manufacturer of the kit about the quality, they laughed and said "it's blown fiberglass, not hand laid, what you expect it to be perfect" I now have urethane and it was well worth the extra $75 I paid for it.

Custom Computers
http://www.virtual-octane.net

Yeah hand laid is better. But if ANYONE hit ANY fiberglass bumper at 15 mph on impact, there is no way that bumper would survive. Fiberglass doesn't like to flex, so it's kind of like hitting a thin wall. The wall will want to break if there is excess pressure on it.

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2004 WRX - WR Blue Pearl
1997 Eclipse GS - Royal Sapphire Pearl

yup, so just dont get hit

1993 Eagle Talon Tsi FWD
6 bolt swap COMPLETE!
ACT flywheel, ACT 2600, Joe P MBC, Autometer boost guage, Buschur DP, Buschur high flow cat, prothane motor mounts, BM tranny lsd insert, K&N,balance shafts eliminated, EGR blocked, free mods, and sweet ass 16g @ 18psi.

>yup, so just dont get hit


HEHE, easier said then done!!

Custom Computers
http://www.virtual-octane.net

so what if i go fiberglass rear and sides but urethane front?

98 Eclipse GSX
www.ridonkulous.com

im going to have urethane front with fiberglass sides/rear/wing

Personally, I just went ahead and bought the whole urethane kit. I laid $660 shipped. I decided on the urethane after my friend just got a fiberglass kit on his Integra. He pulled up on a curb just a little and it split the whole front end! He has since bought the urethane. Many people told me Urethane couldn't be worked with. This is not true. I have seen this being done on an eclipse at High Tech collision. They were molding his urethane sideskirts. I think it just takes a different type of resin. I would recommend Urethane all the way. Everyone I know with fiberglass has had problems.

1995 Eclipse GS - Urethane Blitz Kit, VIS CF Invader hood, CF Wing, CF TYC Euro lights, Kamikaze Header, Dual Exhaust, 97-99 headlights, Nitrous Wet Kit, (2) Alpine Type R

i went all urethane too... living in NYC is lethal on a fiberglass bumper...

oh yea, can the blitz kit be put on the talon with some modification, even if its urethane? i dont want to have to change my headlights that much and want to keep the rear talon setup on it if i can

98 Eclipse GSX
www.ridonkulous.com

97+ lites and a blitz will work fine on a talon

sagging can easily be fixed with lower reinforcements, it also strenthns the bumper ( more secure). any experienced bodyshop would know about this method.

Dwayne H
A.K.A D-low
"PAID THE COST TO BE THE BOSS"

Exterior mods:
11 peice Kaminari wide body kit* custom fiber glass hood, PHAT* supra taillights* targa top* black/blue/chrome projectors* supra double stack wing w/ Carbon fiber top deck* shaved all body lines, shaved antennas.*
Suspension: Blowjax air cylinders* 3/8 inch electric valves* 1/2 inch lines* 5gallon air tank* 2 accumlators* strut bars
Rollers and stopies: 19x8 ACE menaces, chrome 225/19/35 front 275/19/35 rear AEM big brake upgrade (front Electronics (ALL): Msd ignit.
Apexi AFC *Apexi AVC-r*Apexi Rev/speed*Greddy TT*Automete A/F* Autometer Boost* Autometer volt* Autometer Fuel presure* Autometer water temp* Autometer egt*Autometer Oil presure*Autometer cluster bezel*Autometer triple pillar pod*Playstaion 2 fiberglassed in were passenger air bag used to be 7inch wide screen LCD*4 5 inch PB speakers ( 2 per door)*2 6x9 Pb speakers*
1 15inch PB extream sub* 1 1500 us amp* the whole dash, door sills,console, panes etc, is fiberglassed. the apexi components are molded in to the dash so you only can see the face (flushed)
Brand new Hrc manifold *Brand new Hrc 16g Turbo *Turboxs RFL BOV* Custom DOwn pipe 3inch 2 N1 Apexi Canisters*( the real deal, not that Ebay bullshit)race cat *
i need a good front mount intercooler, and some bodys stage 2 piping that they dont need or i will have to get it customized J.E pistons* Eagle specialty rods*5angle port and polish cam gears crane turbo cams bore TBbore intake manny maybe some High performance valves.Underdrive pullysstage 4 clutch kit*8lb flywheel*walbro 255 490cc injectors ,chasis: 8 point rollcage with removable door bar. reinforces the roof, due to the targa top

i mean, i want to keep my stock talon taillights and headlights, but also use the blitz kit. It can be molded or cut somehow yes?

98 Eclipse GSX
www.ridonkulous.com

it is really hard to fiberglass polyurethane (mold) , it can be done, but it will be iefficent.

Dwayne H
A.K.A D-low
"PAID THE COST TO BE THE BOSS"

Exterior mods:
11 peice Kaminari wide body kit* custom fiber glass hood, PHAT* supra taillights* targa top* black/blue/chrome projectors* supra double stack wing w/ Carbon fiber top deck* shaved all body lines, shaved antennas.*
Suspension: Blowjax air cylinders* 3/8 inch electric valves* 1/2 inch lines* 5gallon air tank* 2 accumlators* strut bars
Rollers and stopies: 19x8 ACE menaces, chrome 225/19/35 front 275/19/35 rear AEM big brake upgrade (front Electronics (ALL): Msd ignit.
Apexi AFC *Apexi AVC-r*Apexi Rev/speed*Greddy TT*Automete A/F* Autometer Boost* Autometer volt* Autometer Fuel presure* Autometer water temp* Autometer egt*Autometer Oil presure*Autometer cluster bezel*Autometer triple pillar pod*Playstaion 2 fiberglassed in were passenger air bag used to be 7inch wide screen LCD*4 5 inch PB speakers ( 2 per door)*2 6x9 Pb speakers*
1 15inch PB extream sub* 1 1500 us amp* the whole dash, door sills,console, panes etc, is fiberglassed. the apexi components are molded in to the dash so you only can see the face (flushed)
Brand new Hrc manifold *Brand new Hrc 16g Turbo *Turboxs RFL BOV* Custom DOwn pipe 3inch 2 N1 Apexi Canisters*( the real deal, not that Ebay bullshit)race cat *
i need a good front mount intercooler, and some bodys stage 2 piping that they dont need or i will have to get it customized J.E pistons* Eagle specialty rods*5angle port and polish cam gears crane turbo cams bore TBbore intake manny maybe some High performance valves.Underdrive pullysstage 4 clutch kit*8lb flywheel*walbro 255 490cc injectors ,chasis: 8 point rollcage with removable door bar. reinforces the roof, due to the targa top

so it wont come out good at all?

98 Eclipse GSX
www.ridonkulous.com

i dont think so, ive seen it done, but most of those cars are trailor biatches.

Dwayne H
A.K.A D-low
"PAID THE COST TO BE THE BOSS"

Exterior mods:
11 peice Kaminari wide body kit* custom fiber glass hood, PHAT* supra taillights* targa top* black/blue/chrome projectors* supra double stack wing w/ Carbon fiber top deck* shaved all body lines, shaved antennas.*
Suspension: Blowjax air cylinders* 3/8 inch electric valves* 1/2 inch lines* 5gallon air tank* 2 accumlators* strut bars
Rollers and stopies: 19x8 ACE menaces, chrome 225/19/35 front 275/19/35 rear AEM big brake upgrade (front Electronics (ALL): Msd ignit.
Apexi AFC *Apexi AVC-r*Apexi Rev/speed*Greddy TT*Automete A/F* Autometer Boost* Autometer volt* Autometer Fuel presure* Autometer water temp* Autometer egt*Autometer Oil presure*Autometer cluster bezel*Autometer triple pillar pod*Playstaion 2 fiberglassed in were passenger air bag used to be 7inch wide screen LCD*4 5 inch PB speakers ( 2 per door)*2 6x9 Pb speakers*
1 15inch PB extream sub* 1 1500 us amp* the whole dash, door sills,console, panes etc, is fiberglassed. the apexi components are molded in to the dash so you only can see the face (flushed)
Brand new Hrc manifold *Brand new Hrc 16g Turbo *Turboxs RFL BOV* Custom DOwn pipe 3inch 2 N1 Apexi Canisters*( the real deal, not that Ebay bullshit)race cat *
i need a good front mount intercooler, and some bodys stage 2 piping that they dont need or i will have to get it customized J.E pistons* Eagle specialty rods*5angle port and polish cam gears crane turbo cams bore TBbore intake manny maybe some High performance valves.Underdrive pullysstage 4 clutch kit*8lb flywheel*walbro 255 490cc injectors ,chasis: 8 point rollcage with removable door bar. reinforces the roof, due to the targa top