as you know, i picked up a 93 talon awd.
i think my future mod list is as follows

tubular manifold
t-60-1 bb turbo
720cc injectors
walbro 190
safc
hks cams
hks gears
custom ic piping
hks ssq bov
hks tt
spearco fmic
udp for everything
maybe a 4 bolt rear in the future
95 diamate brake upgrade
kyb shocks
proline springs
18x8.5 wheels

what am im lacking, within the next month, imma soon start stacking parts for this beast.


DWAYNE H
1996 eclipse
under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

good suggestions, did i mention the 60-1 in bb trim, spool is something crazy like fullboost by 3300 rpms.

i was thinking of picking up a used 20g and a ported 2g manifold for the mean while.

yea the gm-maf, can u elaborate a bit,

DWAYNE H
1996 eclipse
under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

The 93 already has a 4 bolt.

You will need a Walbro 255 for a turbo that size. You can run low 12s to high 11's on a Big 16G though quite easily.

You won't need the cam gears.

etc, etc. Do lots of research. You don't need half the parts you suggested, and most of the ones you did get right aren't quite right


Search lots!

SCM 50 Trim
FMIC w/ Piping and Upgraded BOV
Upgraded Clutch (most use the ACT Series CLutches)
650cc Injectors (altho you could get away with 550s)
Walboro 255lph HP Fuel Pump
Aeromotive AFPR (This is optional...but alot of people recommend it)
GM Maf w/ Translator (not needed but if you want to vent you will need this)
Boost Gauge & EGT Gauge
Upgraded Suspension (I recommend Full Coilovers(I have Teins))
2.5" Downpipe w/ Cat Eliminator(you can use 3" if you like)
3" Cat-Back Exhaust
Either a Stand Alone or SAFC-2(your Choice)
if you go with SAFC-2 go with either the VPC chip or KEydiver Chip is you have a EPROM. If you don't have one....get one.

That will get you into the 11s with some ease. Driving and tuning will play a roll in it but for the most part you are gauranteed 11s. You do not need Cams (good louck finding HKS anyway), no brake upgrade,no gears or any of the other stuff. Hit me up on AIM if you need assistance.

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

if its a stock 93 , its a 7 bolt, you can go to the www.vfaq.com and it will show you how to determine it

I'm also going to disagree with you on the flywheel, yes the less inertial mass is a factor, but the motor revs so much faster, and i have NEVER bogged on a launch, light weight flywheel makes a huge difference in how fast the car revs, try spinning something that weighs like 25lbs vs something that weighs 11lbs and get gback with me.

i'm siding with jeff on this one (not that anyone cares). A bb turbo is designed to reduce spoolup time as much as possible, although the size of the turbine in relation to the compressor wheel makes a bigger difference.

as for 11's, ditch the 18's, got for a 255lph (HP model will be fine), lose the UDP's, port the hell out of whatever turbo you get, avoid sharp bends in your "custom" IC pipes, 3" turboback exhaust sans cat, ditch the lightened flywheel <--- that's more for road racing, when dragging the lower inertia from the lightened flywheel translates to bog when launching....and use the rest of the money for tuning and rebuilding the tranny, which is bound to break eventually doing quarter mile pulls with the kind of power you are going to be making.

Also, you may want to consider a rebuild now if the compression is marginal, before you build up a monster just to have it run like crap at the track.

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

hrmm, good info here, so my 93 does have the 4 bolt rear huh, i looked at it and said vicous lsd, sounds mean, lol

so a 20g, and a ported 2g manny, fmic, big injectors, big pump should get me there eh?

i know the motor has been replaced and theres a act clutch in there. anyway i can identify the motor? ( 6 bolt, 7bolt)

DWAYNE H
1996 eclipse
under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

14bs have gotten people into the bottom half of the 11's. Also, please please please please please please research for a long long long long long long time before you buy anything. Please. Drive the car for a while to get a feel for it

OK you don't need cam gears (HKS come prepped for the stockers), you don't need aftermarket pullies (waste of $), you don't need a tubular manifold (unless looks are super important a 2g ported will be just fine for you), you need a 255 FP (rewired of course), you don't need an HKSSSQ BOV (a cheaper Greddy will be just fine), and you shouldn't get 18s (get some meaty 16x8's and thick tires and use that AWD for all it's worth).

Also suspension wise: I am no expert, but in my opinion, there is no better combo for a 1g than KYB AGX's and DSS Coilovers. They seem to fit the car perfectly n every way.

Also, I have the GM MAF/MAFT blow though setup. It reads more air than a 2g MAF and with it blow through, there is no messing with a BOV return tube which is one less thing to worry about. It's also tunable but generally you'll zero it out for your injectors and leave it alone in the engine bay.

As for the BB turbo thing: I have the 60-1 BB and it spools almost like a 14b. I hit 20 PSI right at 3500 rpm, and I have stock displacement and stock compression (basically). Whatever you think about spool time and who you think is right, I think that at the end of the day, BB is better and frees up alot more powerband. The argument is dumb. In my personal experience, I have faster spool than turbos with smaller wheels and a conventional bearing. That's my own personal experience so take it for what it's worth.

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Here some good reference sites with upgrade paths:
http://buschurracing.com/upgrade.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/1gturbo/
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/2gupgradepath.htm
http://www.machv.com/goinfasenand.html

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Get a 16G, some injectors, a fuel pump, AFC, big exhaust/downpipe, and spray the fuck out of it. Hello deep 11's. I did a 12.1 with 16G, 3" turbo-back, Fuel pump, and wet nitrous kit in my GS-T.

1990 Eclipse GS-T

most of people dont desire to spray a stock motor along with a turbo, nor do they need it, people have gone 11's on a 16g with no spray, its not all common, but its attainable. no reason to spray imo , money better spent on an SCM50 or equivalent new 16g = 575 , wet nitrous kit = not sure but at least 300-350, which is more than teh cost of a nice scm50 or equivalent

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

anyone else heard the same thing about lightened flywheels and drag racing? (i.e. the ligheter you go, the worse it is b/c of bog at launch).....

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One school of thought is that because there is so much realtive rotational intertia, small mistakes in lauch mistake are magnified significantly because instead of dropping 50 rm for a mistake, the same mistake costs you 500 rpm. I.E. with such fluid revving, it is easier to "bog" by losing your rpm on launch.

The theory is fairly sound, and a lightened flywheel takes alot of practice. I am terrible with mine so far.

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Yes i heard and yes it is true....but i have a 6000 rpm stutter so there is no way i am bogging down....lol. The lighter you go the higher you will need to launch.

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

Next person to say something along the lines of "spray the fuck out of it" gets banned

Originally posted by Jeff_99gs
Next person to say something along the lines of "spray the fuck out of it" gets banned

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

clearly the best plan of attack is getting a 2g manifold and bolting up a t-25; then hooking up the largest bottle of "NOS" you can find......

j/k

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I want to know what's wrong with nitrous? It's a very viable way to go faster in your car, and is relatively safe if you do everything correctly. It's good enough for John Shepherd but it's not good enough for you Jeff?

1990 Eclipse GS-T

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

Yep, the guy with a '99 GSX with B16G and an assload of other shit thought I was cheating when he got beat by a car I had $2500 in too, but oh well, fuck him. I still took his money that night.

1990 Eclipse GS-T

i would use your 14b for a while. Friend of mine has his at 20psi right now untill he gets a little better fuel setup.

As for cams.....if you insist on HKS call automotosports (arlington heights IL)...they have a shit load in their glass case i saw them this past thursday. Or better yet look up forced performance. They have designed a cam to be better than the 272/264 combo. There is a lot of talk on them right now on Chicago DSM. Good luck

You have a 6 bolt motor! Not sure if someone answered that

Terry

96 Eagle talon ESI
Greddy header - Greddy exhaust

97 Eclipse
Star Stage II - Boost/oil/EGT gauges - 3" custom DP/Apexi N1 3" exhaust - SFMU/return line - Apexi SAFC - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - ceramic intake - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: HKS EVC IV, 450 Turbo injectors, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)

how much boost can i run on a stock fuel setup?

DWAYNE H
1996 eclipse
under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

stock as in no afc fuel pump or anything at all?

I'll recommend no more than 14 psi on the stock turbo. Maybe I missed something, but if your car has the stock 93 engine in it, it is a 7bolt. With AFC and FP, perhaps 18 psi on pump gas, and 20 on race.

Oh and Star, a small typo you had, the common "street" combo you referred to is 264/272 (I/E) not the other way around. It's a small point but if he went and bought 272/264, he'd be a bit upset . Bad idle and minimal top end isn't the way you want it for $600 in cams.

Also, no one has mentioned it yet. Save up $ for a transmission rebuild. If you drive it hard and drive it often, when you break your first tranny you'll want to have the $ for the built rebuild.

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ah oops i mixed that up. on the 7 bolt i thought the 7 bolts didnt come out till 95....?? Obviously not true.

Terry

96 Eagle talon ESI
Greddy header - Greddy exhaust

97 Eclipse
Star Stage II - Boost/oil/EGT gauges - 3" custom DP/Apexi N1 3" exhaust - SFMU/return line - Apexi SAFC - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - ceramic intake - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: HKS EVC IV, 450 Turbo injectors, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)

7 bolts came out in mid 1992. They were made in Japan though. The 2G 7 bolts were made in the good 'ol USA. (Hence why they crankwalk )


As for the "good for shepherd but not for me" comment, you can go plenty fast with just the turbo. I am not against nitrous at all, but using it to hit 8's is much different than using it to hit low 12's. You can do that on a damn 14B if you can tune well, so why fuck with nitrous?

Oh and I also just really hate the term "spray the fuck out of it." It just sounds ignorant and stupid.

nitrous seems to be a waste for most turbo cars. I know from experience with tuning my car that nitrous would only force you to reduce the timing and would give you more horsepower/torque, but the amount of tuning and timing reduction isn't worth it. Get yourself a 3" Downpipe back exhaust, bigger turbo, injectors, SAFC, 3" GM MAF, and FMIC and you will have a decent setup. never put 18's on your car. they will only spin more and add weight. but some people prefer rice over performance. -Scott

1995 GST
6-bolt JDM swap
Evo 16G port/polish
28x7.5x3.5 FMIC (had to cut bumper to make it fit)
686 Injectors
Walbro 255-HP
ACT 2600 Clutch
Full 3" Turbo-Back Exhaust
RamCharge MAF Translator w/ upgrade chip
RRE Front/Rear Strut Bar
Eibach Pro-Kit
NGK Plugs/Wires
Crushed 1g BOV vented to atmosphere
Apexi SAFC
Powerslot Rotors
Autometer Phantom A/F, Boost, EGT
Redline Synthetic M.T.F.
2g Manifold ported w/ ported 02 housing
K&N Custom Cold Air Intake
Apexi Turbo Timer
Joe P MBC @ 19p.s.i.

18" wheels are not rice and they do make lightweight 18s. No there isn't a need for them but some do like to add alitlle bit of style to their car. You can run 11s on 18" wheels....it has been done before. I just wouldn't want to try to attempt that task.

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

YOu know what is really funny.....people are starting to consider Race GAs to be cheating too....

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

Originally posted by widebodied

Originally posted by BigBald 18" wheels are not rice and they do make lightweight 18s. No there isn't a need for them but some do like to add alitlle bit of style to their car. You can run 11s on 18" wheels....it has been done before. I just wouldn't want to try to attempt that task.

my 19s on 2gnt weigh 6 pounds less than stock wheels. anywho, so around 15 psi on a stock system eh? im planning to get the walbro 255 and a safc in the next month. DWAYNE H 1996 eclipse under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job 2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE) Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.

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Also the fact that you'll have effectively lower gears with a smaller rim/tire.

1990 Eclipse GS-T

Does this car already have 3" exhaust? cause no one mentioned that yet. Also, why get an AFC if youre gonna fet a GM MAS?

if you street race, then yeah I could see why people would say it is cheating if you use race gas, but on the track it doesnt matter cause its readily available.

L2R is a good turbo too.

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Well i dunnno; after my friend installed the gm maf, he said he relly didnt have any more use for the afc that he had. besides doesnt it limit you to 650cc injectors. also my other friend uses a accel DFI 6 with a Mazda mx6 distributor; prety solid setup. T-78 turbobo.

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