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quicksilver99Oct-25-09 05:46 PM
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#42143, "just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time"


          

Well its been about 9 months since i've been online... funny... same old same old. Glad to see it too. I had a few things going on a while back with the eclipse and projects and ideas I had left up here for others to scrutinize and back in march, when the eclipse took a massive crap out on me, I was also in the beginings of searching for a house and getting engaged so... as life would have it the car has been parked and life took over for a bit. I'm hopefully closing on the house within the week and am totally stoked. I should say property. I'll throw up some pics of the shop once we're settled,oh i guess the house is important too... But I just wanted to drop a line on here to let the ppl know that have emailed me over the summer-sonce I didn't have internet or any other outside comunication aside from the work phone due to and over anticipated move and repeatedly hindered closing date- that I'll hopefully get back to work on the 2gnt after christmas and can finish all those things I started and answer some long awaited questions. I finally had a chance to respond to number of people so if one of you that has emailed me in the past few months reads this check your email. I've been sittin in applebee's for a couple hours going through stuff online... yup, necessity calls LOL. Oh yeah, the eclipse blew a cam seal on the highway in early march during an over zelous on-ramp routine. Not enough venting. And in all the craziness of merging at twice the speed of traffic I missed the oil light come on, shifted to fourth, and lost all power. Ran it dry. Life goes on, new motor is almost done and the Holset H2-A turbo is back from Valley injection after some customizing. Working out the E85 fuel system right now when time permits and hopefully come spring everything will fall into place. I dont know when Ill get back on again, have read some amazing things in the last hour. Best of luck to everybody, happy holidays if I don't make it back in time, and great work everybody. I'm continually impressed with the progress we have all made with these cars.


Peachy

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

  

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RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time, eclipse982nrRST, Oct-26-09 04:54 AM, #1
RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time, quicksilver99, Oct-29-09 05:42 PM, #2
      RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time, Moderatorbullettdsm, Oct-31-09 09:03 AM, #3
           RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time, quicksilver99, Oct-31-09 06:47 PM, #4
                RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time, Moderatorbullettdsm, Nov-01-09 02:52 AM, #5
                     RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time, quicksilver99, Nov-12-09 06:36 PM, #6
                          RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time, Moderatorbullettdsm, Nov-15-09 09:53 AM, #7
                               RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time, quicksilver99, Nov-20-09 10:31 PM, #8
                                    RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time, quicksilver99, Nov-20-09 11:03 PM, #9
                                    RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time, Flipboi89, Nov-25-09 06:49 AM, #10
                                    RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time, Moderatorbullettdsm, Nov-26-09 04:12 AM, #11

eclipse982nrRSTOct-26-09 04:54 AM
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#42155, "RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time"
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PEACHY!

I tried texting you one day about a month ago and you have a different number now. lol.

Glad to see your still alive emoji

PM me your new number man.

-MIKE-

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quicksilver99Oct-29-09 05:42 PM
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#42195, "RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time"
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hows it goin Mike? Yeah i got a new number. Check your messages I'll send it to ya. How the hell is it goin? I've been in my own little world for quite a while. Been lookin around for some of your stuff tryin to get back into the swing of things here.

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

  

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#42199, "RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time"
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Oct-31-09 09:04 AM by bullettdsm

          

Well, since I see you are popping back in now, "HEY" emoji Glad to see you're kinda back. I enjoy hearing your feedback around here. So finally rid of that autotragic thing in your 2gnt?

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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quicksilver99Oct-31-09 06:47 PM
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#42201, "RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time"
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The autotragic daily driver still exists... lol. Not for long though, got the entire swap sitting right next to the parked car. This winter's project. The plan is to actually rebuild the spare tranny to throw in the other car so the new build up has something fresh to work with and then swap the used tranny into the daily. Once everything is settled though of course, My truck needs a bit of winterizing first, but in due time. Really glad to see things are working out for you mark. I'm pretty much heading in the same direction you have with the motor this next year. High comp And big naughty turbo. I finally have the holset set up like I want, I'm hoping the 17cm2 housing isn't too big, but I have a 15cm2 hot side on hand just in case. I wont know till spring, but the flow maps are suggesting full on around 4K rpm and holding strong all the way till I stop. It should be good for 800ish. Gonna throw the 60-1 on the daily and its all new for the big build. It's actually gonna be quite fun this year... I have two cars that are gonna look identical now nobody is gonna know what to expect. My biggest anticipation is hoping I can find a mechanical limit to something. The e85 is gonna open up some doors with tuning. I just hope that if it goes its actually worth it this time around

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

  

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#42202, "RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time"
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Sounds....um.....ambitious, lol. You know there are only 3360 workable hours (now I gave you a generous 8 hours to sleep)left until next year race time, right? That's gonna make you an EXTRA busy winter project beaver.

My theory for my turbo build, did not quite work out like I had planned. I tried to bring down spool times and keep her as cool as possible in my design. The cooling part worked like a dream. This was the coolest big turbo engine I have ever run. I could hot lap this thing like nobody's business and the coolant overflow level would only go up about 1" over cold line (that's what I use for checking the heat. Its actually more an indicator than engine temp gauge).

But the spool up didn't work out. I still hit full spool at around 5500-5700 (and it hits with a vengence). I kept my intake manifold smaller, with my intake tubing shorter, with the W/A set-up (lower air resistance drop as well), with the BW extended tip, with other little things, but it didn't work out quite the way I wanted it to. I'm thinking that the problem lies in the exahust manifold (no, no, I'm not ragging on your mani that you sold me. Great piece over the other "usual" mani's being sold out there). I'm thinking you may want to design an equal length style mani for your set-up. I like short route for various reason's, but I think that there is a bit of "catching up" to do with the interference of the "log/unequal length" style mani. Just a little food for thought.

A little more food for thought; I'm giving thought to, at some point, changing the turbo car over to auto tragic, lol. After watching what the crazy Canadian Serge and Kiggly are doing with FWD auto, I'm thinking that if we start pushing this set-up toward the 9's, we may want to have the auto set-up (and yes I have ideas for the making the auto stronger, lol).

But anyway, good to see you are still romping around.

Oh yeah, as for that kid claiming 220-240whp, I'm certainly not giving him any thought (although, fortunately, it does bring up the concept so that others may try to jump in) so I wouldn't really worry about hitting him up (Mark, just look at his set-up). I do get messages about these kind of guys all the time.

But I guess it would be fun for you to just pop in and say hi, lol.

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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quicksilver99Nov-12-09 06:36 PM
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#42371, "RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time"
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Originally posted by bullettdsm
Sounds....um.....ambitious, lol. You know there are only 3360 workable hours (now I gave you a generous 8 hours to sleep)left until next year race time, right? That's gonna make you an EXTRA busy winter project beaver.


I've left myself room for a wonderful 3-5 hours sleep lately. I hate to waste precious time... lol.


I'm liking the ideas for the auto... emoji I've always been one for consistency over best E.T. I love the auto as a daily and track nights are a blast. I managed to pull 17 lbs with a stock bottom end so far just gapped the rings to my own spec and a conservative tune. But I must say, even with the stock converter only lettin me climb up to 2800 ish with all the necessary wires snipped and switched, I could launch like a bat out of hell. The ebay .57 trim t3/t4 was almost redundant and undersized. boost was way to easy and it petered out about 5700 rpms, but when I threw the 60-1 from the 5 speed car on, which has the same .63 A/R hot side, it opened up quite a bit and I could still build full boost. Stock inner cv's literally explode at 14+ PSI when riding out the converter. It has alot of potential but the world hasn't been kind enough to the inners yet.


I'm definatly going for the massive turbo set up. The civic loves the s372, and so do I. I'm looking at the exhaust manifold with a great deal of thought. I've had great success so far with the pulse tuning and Really hope I can make it work this time around also. 4000 Rpm peak boost came all the way down to 3200 RPM when it was all said and done and all it cost was a bunch of pipe elbows. I know you love the shorties also and I plan on startig out this whole mess with a shortie equal length. It'll be T4 divided flange and could very likely be up for sale evintually and available to a few select individuals if interested emoji I know time is counting down but all I have left is the top end and massive fuel system. I think I'm starting out with the 1000cc's but I know I gotta go bigger with the E85. Maybe even dual rail system. Idk yet, will figure that one out as I go. Gotta find a spot to hide a small fuel cell up front too but I havent ripped the bumper off yet and decided where to cut out the sheet metal for the moly tubing and supports. The engine itself is my biggest concern. I'm using the eagles and hoping they dont turn out like the ones I posted a while back. Physics and modulus of elasticity says that with the 10.5:1 JE's and the eagles I can spin the bottom end to 12,800 RPM before I get more than a safe 2% deflection or any permanent damage but puting the top end together for 9500 rpm (10,000 rpm safe) is proving to be a bit of a problem. And then theres those springs I dropped a shit load of money on and don't even know who's garage they're being stored in at the moment. It's all up in the air yet. At this point I'll be happy with being able to run down the track again at all. I look foreward to the long nights... emoji

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

  

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#42377, "RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time"
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Nov-15-09 09:55 AM by bullettdsm

          

Originally posted by quicksilver99
The ebay .57 trim t3/t4 was almost redundant and undersized. boost was way to easy and it petered out about 5700 rpms, but when I threw the 60-1 from the 5 speed car on, which has the same .63 A/R hot side, it opened up quite a bit and I could still build full boost.
This sounds more like a cam situation than turbo. If you were running stockers this would fit their profile to the T.


Originally posted by quicksilver99Stock inner cv's literally explode at 14+ PSI when riding out the converter. It has alot of potential but the world hasn't been kind enough to the inners yet.

I haven't looked into it too closely yet, but the Neon guys seem to be doing some interesting things with the auto. I haven't seen them posting up problems with the inners yet. But they do have a wiki set-up for installing the 4 speed ATX (41TE). Again, just food for thought.



Originally posted by quicksilver99I'm definatly going for the massive turbo set up. The civic loves the s372, and so do I.

Ricer, lol.


Originally posted by quicksilver99I'm looking at the exhaust manifold with a great deal of thought. I've had great success so far with the pulse tuning and Really hope I can make it work this time around also.......I know you love the shorties also and I plan on startig out this whole mess with a shortie equal length.
Love the concept.


Originally posted by quicksilver99I think I'm starting out with the 1000cc's but I know I gotta go bigger with the E85. Maybe even dual rail system. Idk yet, will figure that one out as I go.

Might want to consider the Injector Dynamics injectors. They are pretty flexible. I'm running the 1000's right now on the turbo. Very adjustable and smooth. You could talk to Tony about your needs and goals (he seemed like a pretty good guy).


Originally posted by quicksilver99Gotta find a spot to hide a small fuel cell up front too

How about here?



The location for the NA.

Originally posted by quicksilver99I'm using the eagles and hoping they dont turn out like the ones I posted a while back. Physics and modulus of elasticity says that with the 10.5:1 JE's and the eagles I can spin the bottom end to 12,800 RPM before I get more than a safe 2% deflection or any permanent damage but puting the top end together for 9500 rpm (10,000 rpm safe) is proving to be a bit of a problem.

I've spun my Eagles to 9500 (Actually I think I got it higher by bouncing off the rev limiter in the pit). I believe Dougie has been there as well with Eagles.

Originally posted by quicksilver99And then theres those springs I dropped a shit load of money on and don't even know who's garage they're being stored in at the moment. It's all up in the air yet. At this point I'll be happy with being able to run down the track again at all. I look foreward to the long nights... emoji

Well, just don't buy that DCR oil restrictor thingy for high rpm, lol. I can tell you for sure that it does not work with our car. I got the dyno sheets to prove that emoji

Later Peachy

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

  

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quicksilver99Nov-20-09 10:31 PM
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#42423, "RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time"
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in order....lol

the cams are a set of used crane 012's i got off ebay.

The auto is still at the mercy of the motor for me, it hasn't given up yet so it's gonna stay put till it does.

The civic doesnt' like rice... it prefers fermented wood... lol
I'll always expect that whenever I mention it though emoji

I need to get some pics of the Holset H2E up, the turbine housing is shaped really wierd and is gonna make the manifold just as, but the goal is a near straight shot out of the head and into the turbo. You can actually google H2E and find pics of my exact turbo sitting next to a beer can on dsmtuners... emoji

previous owner, just for comparison...


I like the placement of your cell mark, I'm thinkin I might go for something similiar but use it as a surge tank. I Plan on using stainless and making a new tank in back with an alchohol compatible carburated pump to feed the surge tank. This will allow me to start and shut down with straight gas. Easier cold starts this way, Because I hope to run some straight meth through it this next summer just for fun.

9500 RPM's? was this on the crowers? I figured there wasn't enough seat pressure for that type of spin. And that resrictor... I always wondered, do you have O.E. lash adjusters? Cuz hydraulics explains why that restrictor would never work.

Well its late... I have some Ideas I want to bounce off ya mark but I'll save that for when they've developed a lil more.

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

  

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#42424, "RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time"
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The holset, you can see how the turbine inlet snakes around the back. This is a 16 oz can for comparison. This thing is a pig, wieghs about 50 lbs too. It's a very flixible turbo, I have swapped out the wheels for the HX-50 wheels and a heavier duty single ball bearing. All done locally. The flow map I got back with it says 102 lbs/min airflow max and it can handle substantial pressure ratios. I feel it should be perfectly suited for the High comp and the cam and head setup. Our engines seam to take more boost pressure to make HP than some other engines out there and high pressure is what this thing is made for. The hardest part of this whole thing was sourcing a cone filter that fits the inlet, but I found one for a 94-97 cummins powered RAM 3500 that fits right on.



<a href="http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee221/quicksilver991986/?action=view¤;t=082908_152600.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="" border="0" alt="Holset H2E T4"></a>

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

  

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#42452, "RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time"
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I thought you died.



Car Status: P0140 o2 circuit number bank 1 sensor 2 Cel. Ill fix it tomorow lol.

Estimated mileage on engine: 15,xxx

  

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#42455, "RE: just droppin to check things out after almost...woah...long time"
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Nov-26-09 04:16 AM by bullettdsm

          

Originally posted by quicksilver99
I need to get some pics of the Holset H2E up, the turbine housing is shaped really wierd and is gonna make the manifold just as, but the goal is a near straight shot out of the head and into the turbo.

Talkin' my language. Nice.

Holset; relative of the Borg Warner, lol. I like them for longevity and cost/availability. Some of the DSM guys are finally getting into them (hard to get them away from Garrett, Garrett, Garrett).

Originally posted by quicksilver99 Because I hope to run some straight meth through it this next summer just for fun.

Ruh roh, we're gonna have to send you to the clinic for your new addiction, lol. Careful with that stuff. You may like it too much and end up with just a race car emoji

Originally posted by quicksilver999500 RPM's? was this on the crowers? I figured there wasn't enough seat pressure for that type of spin. And that resrictor... I always wondered, do you have O.E. lash adjusters? Cuz hydraulics explains why that restrictor would never work.

Yup on the Crowers. With 2.4 valve train.

Two big fat myths that people (I'm guessing companies) are insistent on perpetuating; valve float and lifter pump up. Both high rpm phenomens. The Neon guys at one time almost had me convinced that I may be running into valve float (because of the 204whp ceiling that I had on the NA at the time. Funny how I got to 211whp with the same valve set-up and just a change of injectors. More proof to no valve float. But I digress). I went back and tried to find any signs of it in the dyno graphs and.....bottom line is we can absolutely take our stock valves up to 8000 (or more. I took stockers up to 8500, no problem). I used the crowers on the NA because of going above that (Wait, now that I think of it, I have stock 4g63 springs in the turbo - 570whp - with no ill effects. But I only rev that to a little above 8k. Valve float is function of rpm and lift anyway).

As for the lifter pump up, it just does not happen to any noticeable extent on our cars (well, below 9k at least). But somebody (again, probably some company) decided that it is happening to our cars so they needed to sell something for it. Here's a link to my results (I couldn't find the thread on here for my results. I was sure I put one up here. If people want I'll post up a thread on here, but for now the tuners version. Go to page 2);
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420a-bolt-tech/294154-dcr-oil-mod-2.html

Its just a pure crock of shit for our cars.

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

  

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