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EclipseSixMar-29-07 08:43 AM
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Just wondering what you all think about the iranian "crisis". Been following some info on other forums and the news, and it seems like this is on the edge of boiling over to war in iran. supposedly french, british, and U.S. (and nato or u.n. whatever) forces have all been increased dramastically in the waters near iran, and nobody seems to be making much progress diplomatically. iran promises to release 1 sailor, then cancels, then to release all of them (per talks with turkey?), and now they're cancelling that notion...

dunno, what're your thoughts.

  

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RE: whats going to happen, war?, whodatt1, Mar-29-07 08:47 AM, #1
RE: whats going to happen, war?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Mar-29-07 09:43 AM, #2
RE: whats going to happen, war?, whodatt1, Mar-29-07 10:27 AM, #3
RE: whats going to happen, war?, ez, Mar-29-07 09:48 AM, #4
      RE: whats going to happen, war?, RoninEclipse2G, Mar-29-07 09:55 AM, #5
           RE: whats going to happen, war?, EclipseSix, Mar-29-07 01:52 PM, #6
                RE: whats going to happen, war?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Mar-29-07 07:54 PM, #7
                     RE: whats going to happen, war?, shazow1969, Mar-30-07 01:57 AM, #8
                          RE: whats going to happen, war?, eclipse_99rs, Mar-30-07 04:29 AM, #9
                               RE: whats going to happen, war?, vegasdsmr, Mar-30-07 05:15 AM, #10
                                    RE: whats going to happen, war?, RoninEclipse2G, Mar-30-07 07:24 AM, #11
                                         RE: whats going to happen, war?, Collente, Mar-30-07 10:31 AM, #12
                                              RE: whats going to happen, war?, RoninEclipse2G, Mar-30-07 10:58 AM, #13
                                              RE: whats going to happen, war?, whodatt1, Mar-30-07 11:33 AM, #14
                                                   RE: whats going to happen, war?, RoninEclipse2G, Mar-30-07 01:00 PM, #15
                                                        RE: whats going to happen, war?, eclipse_99rs, Mar-30-07 03:58 PM, #16
                                                             RE: whats going to happen, war?, TeamDR1665, Mar-30-07 08:55 PM, #17
                                                                  RE: whats going to happen, war?, shuwa29, Mar-30-07 11:24 PM, #18
                                                                       RE: whats going to happen, war?, RoninEclipse2G, Mar-31-07 04:45 AM, #19
                                              RE: whats going to happen, war?, EclipseSix, Mar-31-07 09:28 AM, #20
                                                   RE: whats going to happen, war?, ez, Mar-31-07 09:38 AM, #21
                                                        RE: whats going to happen, war?, EclipseSix, Mar-31-07 11:23 AM, #22
                                                             RE: whats going to happen, war?, ez, Mar-31-07 11:35 AM, #23
                                                                  RE: whats going to happen, war?, EclipseSix, Mar-31-07 12:54 PM, #24
                                                                       RE: whats going to happen, war?, 96eclipse2nr, Mar-31-07 01:37 PM, #25

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too much blah blah... its all a big show.. there will be no war.

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Why are they detaining these soldiers anyway?

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Originally posted by DarkOne
Why are they detaining these soldiers anyway?


Supposedly they crossed into Iranian waters...

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Cheney wants it to happen, no doubt, but the U.S. cannot afford it and congress won't support it. The whole reason the last carrier was sent to the region was to prepare for an attack. The only way I see a major Iran/U.S. conflict occurring, is if Israel starts the attack for some reason. Like when they sent their F-16s in to destroy the nuclear reactors that France was selling to the middle east. @#$&*@)( France

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a little excerpt that I was sent

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What will it take to realize our extreme danger--another 9-11, a Pearl Harbor, an atom or dirty bomb in the middle of Chicago or LA? Those who deny this possibility are perturbed about how we treat terrorist POWs or getting out of Iraq, and playing the political game (pay attention Pelosi and your crowd) when they should quit destroying America from within, and be organizing against the forthcoming destruction. This isn't fantasy. Sadly, it's reality. --RS


By Solly Ganor
FrontPageMagazine.com | March 15, 2007
Five years ago, I had a conversation with a young Palestinian student who in short precise terms explained how Islam will defeat the West. The conversation opened my eyes to a much larger picture in which Israel plays only a minor role in the Islamic game of conquest. Since then I tried to speak to some Arabs who come to pray at the Mosque, but they were not as outspoken as the student.

Last week, I had another conversation with an Israeli Arab construction boss by the unlikely name of Francis who was in charge of building a villa near our house in Herzelia. He told me that his family was Christian, and his name was given to him in honor of the Franciscan monks. Our conversation was as interesting as the first conversation I had with the Arab student five years ago and I would like to share it with you. Francis frequently parked his car near our house and we would exchange polite greetings.

About a week ago, the water was shut off for repairs in the house he was building, and Francis asked me if I could give him some hot water for his coffee. He was a tall man of about forty, with reddish hair and blue eyes. He spoke a perfect Hebrew, and I naturally became curious about him. I felt that he may the right person to exchange some views with. By his looks, I assumed that he was either a Druze or from the Syrian region. He looked more like a teacher than a construction worker and, as I later found out, he was actually a teacher by profession. Since my conversation with the student five years ago, I was always curious to hear their side of the story; therefore, I decided to invite him for a cup of coffee to our house. I saw him hesitate for a moment; then he smiled and thanked me for my hospitality.

While we drank our coffee, he told me that he was from a small village in the Galilee called Jish, near the present Kibbutz Sassa. I remembered the village very well as I was one of the soldiers who captured the village while serving in the 7th Armored brigade during the War of Independence in 1948. I decided not to tell him about it because at the time we encountered some stiff resistance at that village and quite a few of the inhabitants were killed.

He went on to tell me a little about himself. “For a while I was a teacher and I loved teaching, but I couldn’t make a living at it and I decided to join my father in law who is in the construction business.” Judging by the large Honda he was driving, I figured that he didn’t do too badly changing his profession.

Our conversation soon turned to the present situation in the Middle East, about Hamas winning the elections, the situation of the Israeli Arabs, and the last Lebanese war against Hezbollah. “As Christians we are in a difficult situation here in Israel. Unfortunately, the Moslems and especially the extreme Islamist section, are giving the tone here. My family who lived in Bethlehem probably since the Crusaders, had to flee for their life. The Moslems have been forcing us out, by threats and even murder. Bethlehem that was once predominantly Christian is now predominantly Moslem. Very little is written about it even in the Israeli press.”

He sipped his coffee and gave me a long look. He seemed like someone who wasn’t quite sure whether to say what he was about to say. I gave him an encouraging nod.

“I have to tell you something which very few of you seem to comprehend.” He continued, “Your bungling war against a few thousand Hezbollah fighters which you should have crushed no matter what, considering the importance of the outcome, has created a completely new situation, not only for this area, but globally. Your inept leadership totally misunderstood the importance of winning this war."

“As a matter of fact, the whole Moslem world, not only the Arabs, simply couldn’t believe that the mighty Israeli Army that defeated the combined Arab forces in six days in 1967, and almost captured Cairo and Damascus in 1973, couldn’t defeat a small army of Hezbollah men. As usual the Moslems see things the way they want to see things. Most think that the present generation of Israelis have gone soft and can be defeated."

“The American bungling of the war in Iraq only added to their conviction that victory not only over Israel but also over the West is not only possible, but certain. The ramifications of these two bungling wars may bring an Islamic bloody Tsunami all over the West, not only in Israel. The sharks smell blood and these two wars gave them the green light to attack sooner than they had in mind. Your problem is that you are on the defensive and they have the option to choose the time and the places when and where to attack and there is nothing much you can do about it. When will you Westerners realize that half measures don’t work with people who are willing to die by the thousands for Allah to achieve their goal? In their eyes the Western World is simply an abomination on earth that has to be wiped out.”

He spoke quietly and I could just picture him in the school giving his students a lecture. I poured him another cup of coffee and encouraged him to continue.

“The Americans, the Europeans, and even you Israelis really don’t know what it is all about, do you? During the last generation hundreds of thousands of children have been taught all over the Moslem world in Madrass schools to become martyrs for Allah in order to kill the infidels. These youngsters not only are ready to do it, but are actually in the process of doing it. Bombs are going off all over the world killing and maiming thousands of people, not only on 9/11 in the US, in London Madrid and Bali, but in Africa, India, Bengladesh, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and many other places. The first signs of the Islamic Tsunami is already here, but the West doesn’t understand, or doesn’t want to understand what is coming."

“The Americans, instead of realizing that this is as bad as World War Two, or even worse, are going to pull out of Iraq, handing it over to Iran on a silver platter. Next may come the Saudis and the rest of the Gulf states. When dirty bombs go off all over Western towns, who is going to stop the Iranians?"

“Now is the time to stop them, not only because they are developing nuclear bombs, but because Iran has become the base for all Islamic terrorist. They supply, money, men, and weapons to Islamic terrorist around the world, quite often through their diplomatic mail. Billions of petro-dollars that are pouring into Iran are being funneled into terrorist organizations world-wide. They believe, and perhaps rightly so, that the West will do nothing to stop them in achieving their goals. Is history repeating itself? Are the Iranians making the same mistake that Hitler made when he attacked Poland? Is the situation similar?"

“As a history teacher who studied the subject thoroughly I can tell you that Western victory in World War Two was not all certain. Hitler could have won the war if he would have gone ahead with the atomic bomb development before the Americans. The Germans began working on it in the thirties, and it was Hitler’s decision to prefer building more conventional arms, as he considered atomic weapons sheer fantasy. Hitler made the wrong decision, but had he made the right decision the world would have been a different type of world today, wouldn’t it? The West won the war against Hitler by sheer chance. Very few people seem to realize that.”

I must say that his last words shook me up quite a bit. Had Hitler made a different decision, I would have died in Dachau, there wouldn’t have been a Jewish state called Israel, and most likely there wouldn’t have been any Jews left in the world. The idea that the Western democracies in general and the fate of the Jewish people in particular could have hinged on Hitler’s one decision, is a scenario of the worst nightmare.

He notices that his last words had an effect on me, and he smiled. “I see that my words are not wasted on you,” he said dryly. I nodded, and he continued with his lecture. “Coming back to our time, the Iranians rely on the West doing nothing about their development of nuclear bombs. They also rely on their secret weapon: an inexhaustible supply of Islamic suicide bombers, some of them who are already planted all over the Western World. Besides the Islamic countries that supply these suicide bombers, a second front has been opened, and that is the Internet with more than five thousand Islamic web sites, brain washing and urging young Moslems to become martyrs for Allah. They especially target young Moslems who live in Europe and the West in general. The Western intelligence authorities consider these web sites a bigger threat than the Iranian atomic bomb. Al-Qaeda recently issued a television broadcast that promised a devastating attack against its enemies this spring. As we all know, Al-Qaeda doesn’t make empty threats."

“Actually, I don’t understand why the Iranians bother to develop atomic bombs and bring the whole world down on them. Every suicide bomber is a potential atomic bomb, or a biological, chemical or dirty bomb that can be no less devastating than an atom bomb. The Americans and Europeans have no defense against this type of war."

“What can we do against this type warfare?” I asked him. “Well, you Israelis, should better prepare yourself for another round against Hezbollah. It will not be long in coming. It depends on the Iranians to give the word. This time you will have to destroy Hezbollah no matter what the cost may be."

“Of course, your next round against Hezbollah may involve the Syrians and the Iranians against you. The Iranians declared that they will not allow Hezbollah to be defeated no matter what and may launch their missiles against you. So will the Syrians. What will Israel do? It is unlikely that Israel will accept its destruction and may use their nuclear arsenal if the West will not come to their help. Perhaps our book of Revelation is not so wrong in describing that the end of the world would start at Armageddon, which we know as Har-Megiddo in Israel. The book of Revelations describe the last battle would be fought at Armageddon between the “Forces of good and the forces of evil.”

“And who would you call the forces of good ‘Israel or Islam?’ I asked looking him straight in the eyes. He gave me a startled look. “If I were a Moslem, I would have no problem to name the forces of good and it wouldn’t be Israel. As a Christian, I would probably name Israel, but as a Christian Arab I would prefer not to answer.”

We looked at each other. His answer made it clear where the Israeli Arabs stood, whether they were Moslems or Christians. And why should I be surprised? After all the Israeli Arabs call the establishment of the State of Israel their nakbah (disaster).

Is there a way to avoid the “Armageddon”?

“I think there are two ways to avoid it. One can be a major war which the West can win. As in World War Two, had the West attacked the Germans in 1936 the war would have lasted not more than a month with very few casualties. Their procrastination resulted in World War II with all its consequences. Eventually, the West will have to tackle the Iranians, it is better that they do it now to avert a world catastrophe later. With Iran defeated the Islamic onslaught will lose its base, and it may be the turning point in history to defeat the menace of extreme Islam. The majority of the Moslems don’t want this confrontation anyway.”

“You are painting a rather dark picture. When do you think we will have the next round against Hezbollah?” I asked. “I think they will attack again as soon as they are fully re-equipped and I think it will be during the summer, while Israel is still in a military and political turmoil.”

For a while, we sat in silence. He finished his second cup of coffee and got up. “I know what I am going to do. I am going to Canada to join my brother. This country is becoming much too dangerous for Christians as well,” he said. He thanked me for the coffee and we shook hands.

“You said there are two ways to avoid Armageddon?” I remembered to ask him.

“Sure, all the West has to do is follow Putin’s ways. He assassinates his enemies without blinking an eye. Assassinate the four or five Mullahs who run the show, Ahmadinejad, and a few more Iranian fanatics, and the War can be avoided. It may be difficult to do, but not impossible. With today’s hi- tech technology I am sure that new weapons against individuals are being prepared right now. I think it would be a better way of handling the matter than an all out war against Islam.”

The conversation with Francis was not more encouraging than the one I had with the Palestinian student five years ago. It was becoming clear that Israel may be on the forefront for the coming war of the West against Islam, unless we follow Francis’ suggestion to assassinate the heads of the snake, rather than going to war with Islam.

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EclipseSixMar-29-07 01:52 PM
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wow.... excellent read.

  

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Originally posted by EclipseSix
wow.... excellent read.


You read all that?

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me too. He hit the nail right on the head with that. We need to stop pussy footin' around with this shit and go to the source. Geneva convention is a great standard when fighting a uniformed enemy because it provides a standard of how to conduct a war. But when fighting a masked enemy, someone who hides amongst crowds and innocents so that we don't hurt anyone because they know we won't open fire on civilians, we are at the disadvantage for all we are trying to acomplish.

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I have a little insight from dealing with the Iranian small boat fleet first hand. I was in Iraqi waters 2 years ago on a 110' patrol boat because I'm i the Coast Guard. The Iranian small boat fleet is very agressive and will try to capture anyone that goes anywhere near their waters. While i was over there the Australian Navy was conducting boarding on a tanker which was anchored 200 yards in from Iranian waters when 6 Iranian gunboats surrounded the tanker and said the ausie Boarding team was coming with them. They had to be air lifted off the tanker because the Iranians wouldnt let the ausi small boat pick them up. The gunboats would also sit right on the iranian line and stare at our ships all day and night just waiting for one of us to get close enough. So to bring my post to an end I hate Iran and i hope we go to war with them because they suck. This could have been me captured and i would be extremely pissed if our country didnt do anything to get me back. so let the bombs fall!



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it's all about OIL and the money used to purchase it (US dollars or EU euros)....

there is no gold standard any more with the US dollar...

the oil traded, bought, and sold these days occurs in US dollars...

Iran, and Iraq, wants to sell it's oil for Euros, not Dollars which is no good for the value of the US dollar and the US economy.

Iran and Venezuala have made a pact to sell serious amounts of OIL in Euros about 60-90 days ago.... seen what the Venezualan president has been doing??? Bush/US Gov't officials are trying to "strong hold" the purchasing power of the OIL that is available...

there is nothing else that supports the US dollar so much, (nothing can compare to it).

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Originally posted by vegasdsmr
it's all about OIL and the money used to purchase it (US dollars or EU euros).... there is no gold standard any more with the US dollar... the oil traded, bought, and sold these days occurs in US dollars... Iran, and Iraq, wants to sell it's oil for Euros, not Dollars which is no good for the value of the US dollar and the US economy. Iran and Venezuala have made a pact to sell serious amounts of OIL in Euros about 60-90 days ago.... seen what the Venezualan president has been doing??? Bush/US Gov't officials are trying to "strong hold" the purchasing power of the OIL that is available... there is nothing else that supports the US dollar so much, (nothing can compare to it). cheers.. p.s. hope that makes sense...


Did you read nothing? We are dealing with a large group of people that BELIEVE that we are the spawn of satan. and they want to have a holy war on us. also they don't care about death because they believe that they will be rewarded with the greatest pleasures possible for serving allah. there is no greater fighter than the one who cares nothing about death and that's what these people are. who gives a shit about oil, I don't want these people coming to me and blowing up my ass because they know they can get away with anything, and they know it. i know most people just look at that region and see oil, but the moment we take the fight from their home they WILL bring it to ours. Don't believe me? do a quick google search on the word jihad, it will scare the shit out of you.

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Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G
Originally posted by vegasdsmr it's all about OIL and the money used to purchase it (US dollars or EU euros).... there is no gold standard any more with the US dollar... the oil traded, bought, and sold these days occurs in US dollars... Iran, and Iraq, wants to sell it's oil for Euros, not Dollars which is no good for the value of the US dollar and the US economy. Iran and Venezuala have made a pact to sell serious amounts of OIL in Euros about 60-90 days ago.... seen what the Venezualan president has been doing??? Bush/US Gov't officials are trying to "strong hold" the purchasing power of the OIL that is available... there is nothing else that supports the US dollar so much, (nothing can compare to it). cheers.. p.s. hope that makes sense...
Did you read nothing? We are dealing with a large group of people that BELIEVE that we are the spawn of satan. and they want to have a holy war on us. also they don't care about death because they believe that they will be rewarded with the greatest pleasures possible for serving allah. there is no greater fighter than the one who cares nothing about death and that's what these people are. who gives a shit about oil, I don't want these people coming to me and blowing up my ass because they know they can get away with anything, and they know it. i know most people just look at that region and see oil, but the moment we take the fight from their home they WILL bring it to ours. Don't believe me? do a quick google search on the word jihad, it will scare the shit out of you.


Why are you so scared of them coming here?
What are they going to do, come over on boats and run ashore and just start blowing up houses on the coast? Are you talking about them going to a major city and arming a massive bomb or similar device of mass destruction?
Ya, it could happen that they do the later and we would be in for it as IF THEY DID PULL IT OFF. But in comparison of war, they're bringing sharp rocks to a gun fight. They'll have one hell of a time getting anything like that done, in the mean time they keep getting the shit kicked out of them at home.

Our economy depends a lot on oil. To bad we couldn't make some deals when we went into the area to help secure pricing as we had once done.

The only weapon they have is the fact that they don't care if they die and think they'll go to the holy land if they die blowing up innocent people and our troops. That and their oil.

They are fucking pussies.
They will likely be reincarnated into maggots that grow from shit.

Don't be scared of them.. be scared for our brothers n sisters that may not make it home. Don't NOT give them that pleasure.



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Originally posted by Collente
Why are you so scared of them coming here? What are they going to do, come over on boats and run ashore and just start blowing up houses on the coast? Are you talking about them going to a major city and arming a massive bomb or similar device of mass destruction? Ya, it could happen that they do the later and we would be in for it as IF THEY DID PULL IT OFF. But in comparison of war, they're bringing sharp rocks to a gun fight. They'll have one hell of a time getting anything like that done, in the mean time they keep getting the shit kicked out of them at home. Our economy depends a lot on oil. To bad we couldn't make some deals when we went into the area to help secure pricing as we had once done. The only weapon they have is the fact that they don't care if they die and think they'll go to the holy land if they die blowing up innocent people and our troops. That and their oil. They are fucking pussies. They will likely be reincarnated into maggots that grow from shit. Don't be scared of them.. be scared for our brothers n sisters that may not make it home. Don't NOT give them that pleasure.


The big problem is that they ARE here, slipping in with mexicans crossing the border, being recriuted through the internet, etc. i'm not scared of them as a people, I'm afraid of the things that could happen if people don't wake up and realize this about more than just oil. I don't want our troops dying at all but I do support them in beliving that they are over there doing the right thing, protecting our freedom and livelyhood.

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who are we talking about? I see a reference to "a people"
who is getting their asses kicked?
who does not have oil deals?
who is bombing innocent people? (for the "right" or "wrong" reasons)
Who is suffering?

There is a lot of anger and hatred, but no knowledge of history.
Too much white and black, when most of it is actually gray.
Your condemnation of "them" as a whole is not all that different from their condemnation of "us" as a whole.. and interestingly enough the reasons for such condemnations are not all that different.

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Originally posted by whodatt1
who are we talking about? I see a reference to "a people" who is getting their asses kicked? who does not have oil deals? who is bombing innocent people? (for the "right" or "wrong" reasons) Who is suffering? There is a lot of anger and hatred, but no knowledge of history. Too much white and black, when most of it is actually gray. Your condemnation of "them" as a whole is not all that different from their condemnation of "us" as a whole.. and interestingly enough the reasons for such condemnations are not all that different.


take the time to read the whole thread, and we are talking about iran and millitant islam, I do not believe everyone who is arab or muslim are bad, I know and work with several muslims and for the most part they are very good people, (I have known a few jerks too, but that was just personality quirks) but there is a large and growing group that want us (americans, christians, jews, anyone not muslim) erradicated from the face of the earth, that is taking or holds power in the middle east. That's what I'm talking about

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#22654, "RE: whats going to happen, war?"
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I'm just sick of Iran snubbing their nose at us. We need to do something other than writing a letter to them saying that we are mad. They are calling our bluff. The UN is a fucking joke and its making me crazy. Oh yah i forgot to mention that i dont hate iranians I hate their leaders.



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It's worth mentioning, before everyone gets riled up into a froth about this shit, that it's always a good idea to consider the source of the information before deciding how much stock to put into it.

Just as you wouldn't expect Billy Mays to have anything less than spectacular about Oxy-Clean, you shouldn't expect completely balanced opinions and reporting from Front Page Magazine. Considering this excerpt was posted from an email, I did some quick research and it turns out it was actually posted on a website on 03.15.07. The author is a holocaust survivor living in the middle east.

So what do we have? We have a holocaust survivor (read: Jew) who was literally persecuted by the Germans back in the day and who now lives in the most anti-semitic region of the world talking about Islam. Do you really think that this person can, despite the best of intentions, speak in a manner which is anything but in favor of more forceful actions towards militant Islam? It's doubtful. (And no, I'm not Jew-bashing. Just illustrating a point.)

Now, at the same time, do I disagree that we are now a country with no balls that's not seen the worst of what these terrorists are capable? Not at all. In fact, I happen to agree that our government should be interested in the preservation of the security of the United States - not necessarily the feelings of a larger constituent of bleeding heart shittwats. The islamic terrorists of the world aren't interested in converting infidels to Islam. They are interested in killing them. These people don't practice "Live and let live," so it's hard for someone like myself to fathom why there are those in the US who feel that is the stand we should take with them.

The only truly effective solution to violence like this in the world is for those with the power to eliminate the wicked to do so swiftly and conclusively. When people will brainwash a child into strapping a bomb to his back so he can walk into a market and kill strangers simply for not sharing his belief, they will not stop so long as they have breath. You can not win a war fighting fair when the enemy cheats. It's that simple.

Back to the article, however, keep in mind that the person who always agrees with you is either lying to you, or he's planning to kill you and take what you have. When the source of the information consistently offers the same message and tone, chances are good that it's not the best source. It could be that this Front Page Magazine is the polar opposite of Al Jazeera (or whatever that station is called).

Cliff's Notes?
- While I agree that our society has effectively neutered our abilities to take the steps necessary to resolve this terror issue and agree that we should be inflicting more pain, suffering, and fear in the middle east in order to effectively combat the threat, I don't think this article should be taken so seriously. If you allow this article to get you all worked up into a fervor, you're experiencing the same thing the terrorists feel when they see BinLadin on Al Jazeera TV.

  

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hey, if shit does go down, atleast i will not have to travel so far this time emoji

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Quick info about the writer that I have, yes he was a holocaust survivor, He also came to america to live and served in our fine military and was part of my grandfathers graduating class in 1952 from westpoint. I don't have much other info at this time

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#22677, "RE: whats going to happen, war?"
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Mar-31-07 09:30 AM by EclipseSix



          

Originally posted by Collente
Why are you so scared of them coming here? What are they going to do, come over on boats and run ashore and just start blowing up houses on the coast?


I'd be scared if I were you, I think anyone with any brains should at least be a bit afraid of people in the position to kill innocent americans.

Here's how I see it. Everyone remember the D.C. shooter/sniper? Kills a few people, and suddenly its everywhere, and people are literally afraid to go to a gas station and fill their tanks (rightfully so imo).

Now imagine a suicide bomber blows up a k-mart. Then another hits a target. Then another hits some other popular place, suddenly nobody wants to leave their house, mass hysteria, military crackdown (martial law?), and the economy takes the high dive all the way to the bottom.

These things are happening multiple times a day in iraq and other places, and we wonder why the countries are all out of whack. It'd only take three or four of them to change the course of american history.

  

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Originally posted by EclipseSix
Originally posted by Collente Why are you so scared of them coming here? What are they going to do, come over on boats and run ashore and just start blowing up houses on the coast?
I'd be scared if I were you, I think anyone with any brains should at least be a bit afraid of people in the position to kill innocent americans. Here's how I see it. Everyone remember the D.C. shooter/sniper? Kills a few people, and suddenly its everywhere, and people are literally afraid to go to a gas station and fill their tanks (rightfully so imo). Now imagine a suicide bomber blows up a k-mart. Then another hits a target. Then another hits some other popular place, suddenly nobody wants to leave their house, mass hysteria, military crackdown (martial law?), and the economy takes the high dive all the way to the bottom. These things are happening multiple times a day in iraq and other places, and we wonder why the countries are all out of whack. It'd only take three or four of them to change the course of american history.


I disagree. You should never fear anything. ESPECIALLY if you "have brains." If you fear them, they have won. The ONLY way extremists can win is mentally - they lack the power to take down a superpower by any other means.

And the economy taking a nose dive has everything to do with the last fed chairman Greenspan keeping interest rates so low for so long, fueling a speculative bubble in real estate after the bubble in the stock market collapsed. You want to worry about what can bring down the economy? Worry about our own financial elite, not some suicide bombers. Wait until you see housing values drop 40% from the highs in 2005, the US$ dropping, and the Chinese and Japanese withdrawing from our bond markets. You ain't seen nothing yet.

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Not fearing them is being somewhat ignorant imo. Its like not fearing getting aids or another STD. Sure, it may not happen with this chick or the next, but one of these nasty girls is going to be your ticket to a premature death because you weren't afraid of not wrappin ur junk up. If americans keep ignoring the possibilities, its just going to be a bigger smack in the face when it does happen, and it could be your mother or brother getting blown up in front of a damn burger king. that f'n king is askin for it.

I think you're confusing my statements when I say "fear them". I don't mean hide in your homes and prepare for a long winter, I'm saying keep your wits about you, watch what our government is doing, what they "say' they're doing, and what these extremist islamic people are doing. Then again our governments so corrupt it doesn't wholly matter one way or another.

That whole "if you don't buy a new ford, the terrorists win" bs idea is retarded.

oh and another note, even if you and I and ten of your friends aren't afraid and possibly wouldn't be when the bombs started blowing, guarantee there's millions of other frantic americans who would panic, and thats when all hell breaks loose....

  

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Then we're on the same side of the arguement. I'm not saying being ignorant, that's obviously a stupid idea. Be rational, not fearful. To use your STI analogy, the HIV virus does not care if you are fearful of it or not. What matters are your actions. If you have high risk behavior, your chances of getting the virus go up. The point is to understand what is high risk behavior, what reduces your risk, and act on that knowledge.

I know there is a possibility of someone sneaking nuclear material into the states. That's why I support us protecting the borders and all funding possible to secure our ports with radiological surveillance.




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Originally posted by ez
Then we're on the same side of the arguement. I'm not saying being ignorant, that's obviously a stupid idea. Be rational, not fearful. To use your STI analogy, the HIV virus does not care if you are fearful of it or not. What matters are your actions. If you have high risk behavior, your chances of getting the virus go up. The point is to understand what is high risk behavior, what reduces your risk, and act on that knowledge. I know there is a possibility of someone sneaking nuclear material into the states. That's why I support us protecting the borders and all funding possible to secure our ports with radiological surveillance.


completely agree. All I hope is that its avoided, but with the current state of things it seems inevitable that something will happen sooner or later.

  

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all ive got to say is their DAMN lucky we dont have the same mentality that we did back in WWII. in the years since then our nation, and unfortunatley much of our nations men have been neutered. standing up for yourself is now "barbaric" and we should now talk about our feelings and try to reason with what makes us angry. its this pussification of america thats gotten us where we are today. this "oh lets not make anyone else mad, lets be good and go about letting others walk all over us" crap.

im sure as hell not afriad of them comming over here, cuz they have no desire. back in the day you fought a war over land or riches. these people could care less about land or riches. the militant extremest islamists just want everyone who isnt of their faith dead. there will be no "great invasion". they will just attempt to crush our way of life. were too big to fight, so their gonna take us out at the knees. in invasion would be a joke. even with NO military there are enough gun owners to wipe them out if they even thought about comming over.

ive heard it before and i wholeheartedly believe it. if the US were to fall it will not be overrun, we will collapse from the inside.

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