Ok, a local is selling this car and when I asked how much he wants he just said he's taking offers...

Here is the description, whats a fair offer? I have no idea where to start.
Thanks!




"right now I am just taking offers, old problem it will have in a week or two is a spot on the roof were some body work cracked and the car was keyed but touched up so it needs some wet sanding / buffing."



"Its 1991, mileage is like 151k on the body. However pretty much everything on the car has been gone through and has less than that on it.
Ex gsp car
Its black with black and grey leather int.
302 with 303x heads
1.7 rr's
b cam
cobra intake
afm power pipe
30 lb injectors
bullet maf
New Motor Mounts
225 intank pump
VRS x-pipe
flowmaster mufflers
mac fully chromed 2.5 tips
Tremmec 3550
Hurst shifter
Aluminum driveshaft
car still as working a/c
5 lug conversion was done with 96-04 spindels
pbr dual piston brakes
hotchkins c/c plates
comp eng bumpsteer kit
4 cyl springs
out back it has a sn rear axle with disks
the e brake is hooked up and works
3.73 gears
All the torque boxes were welded up and the lower's were plates as well as reinforcements put in
Steeda double adjustable upper control arms
Tubular lower arms with poly bushings
intrax springs
17x8 bullit wheels on it with 235/45/17 bridgestone and 275/40/17 nitto drags and 5 lug spare
1.5" cowl hood
All the emblems have been shaved
The seats are out of a 03 mustang the dark grey leather
factory gsp roll bar
new edge short hair carpet
nice sound system all db drive
jvc headunit
There is more I am forgetting I am sure"

found more pics...

Evo 8 - 12.3@113 circa 2009 (~330whp)
Now with BB Xona Rotor HTZ FP Red and ~450whp
2018 MSM Civic SI Ktuner TSP stage 1 w/ Honda hacked headunit.

where's cougar694u when you need him?

Evo 8 - 12.3@113 circa 2009 (~330whp)
Now with BB Xona Rotor HTZ FP Red and ~450whp
2018 MSM Civic SI Ktuner TSP stage 1 w/ Honda hacked headunit.

I don't know much about those cars other than that generation goes for CHEAP. Don't expect to pay a lot for it. Search up craigslist.org if you want to get a good feel for how much they go for. They sell like DSMs though I'm pretty sure.

1991 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX - SOLD
2006 Mustang GT Convertible

God I those fox coupe's.

Man, that's sweet. Unfortunately, I've never heard of 303x heads, AFR's and camfields are nice (both aluminum), GT-40's are okay, GT-40P's are better (both cast), Dart Sr's are good, but cast iron. "303" is usually a cam, B303, or simply b-cam (also e303, f303, x303, z303).

The b-cam is fairly mild. It has okay duration, but lift is fairly small (fairly balanced for NA and keeps air velocity up while entering the cylinders), except the 1.7 rockers compensate by adding extra lift vs the standard 1.6's. The only downfall to that is sometimes (depending on who you ask) it may push the valve slightly off center, due to the angle. I ran them with no problems, but I changed heads & cam, so I had to change rockers, so I went with the 1.6's.

Everything he mentioned is somewhat standard on any performance fox, except the 4-cylinder springs. That's kind of the cheap way to lower it, but it works.

The tubular a-arms are lighter, but bend easier than stock. Now all you'd need is the tubular K-member and you're losing like 100 pounds total.

All in all, it's a pretty sweet car. He probably wants $4500-$5500 for it because it's clean, he put work into it, and it probably runs like a bat outta hell (my guess, mid/low-13's easy). What's working against him is the car's 16 years old now, but they're starting to become a little more rare.

Honestly, I'd offer $3000 (actual retail value is $2875). If he laughs (which he might), don't get cocky/angry and/or point out anything (I have a tendency to do that and just piss people off), just say, "it's a fuckin sweet car, that's my offer. What do you want for it?" However, I wouldn't pay more than $4000 for it (maybe $4500 if you just had to have it). I bought my 99 for $5600 drive out 2 years ago. That PI 4.6l is the shiznit, but I miss my 90 GT.

~Luke
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1969 Cougar - 11.91 - 380HP
2007 GSXR 750
1999 OZ - SOLD - 15.26 NA - 14.71 on 75 shot

Thanks man, you answered all my questions and then some. Thanks for all the detail because I know next to nothing about the car.

Thread at sr20forum.com
http://sr20forum.com/showthread.php?t=189338

This is what GSP refers to, I didn't know this either... heh.

Evo 8 - 12.3@113 circa 2009 (~330whp)
Now with BB Xona Rotor HTZ FP Red and ~450whp
2018 MSM Civic SI Ktuner TSP stage 1 w/ Honda hacked headunit.

TX state troopers had them.





The '10-hole' rims were black with bare metal center caps on the actual DPS cars.

Oh, and my brother, too:



That's a nice look at the tubular K-member.

and another:



I'd ask him about the heads to see who actually makes them, if they're aluminum, and see what size valves are in them. 2.02 intake and 1.60 exhaust is pretty standard for 'bigger' heads (kinda like +1mm or +2mm valves in the 2gnt world).

**EDIT**
And at least it's got a MAF and isn't "speed density" (like the 2gnt with only TPS & MAP sensors). I think 87 through mid-90 were like that. The MAF & MAP system is so much better and will take 5 PSI like fuckin crack!

~Luke
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1969 Cougar - 11.91 - 380HP
2007 GSXR 750
1999 OZ - SOLD - 15.26 NA - 14.71 on 75 shot

Damn thats hot...

EDIT: I got a price approximation out of him and he said it take an offer of about 7.5k-8k before he'd sell. Oh well, I can see myself paying that much If I was out of college and had the money... Thanks for the input, looks like I'll have to pass though.

Oh and he told me "the heads are x303 ford motorsports heads"

Evo 8 - 12.3@113 circa 2009 (~330whp)
Now with BB Xona Rotor HTZ FP Red and ~450whp
2018 MSM Civic SI Ktuner TSP stage 1 w/ Honda hacked headunit.

Ah, learn something new every day:

http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=2601

They look like nice heads, aluminum cast based on the GT40, but improved.

But yeah, for that money, I'd sell you my car

**EDIT**
Or you can do like this guy and do a 5.0 swap from a 2.3 car:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1993-Ford-Mustang-Notchback-5-0_W0QQitemZ270092765518QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6236QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Dead give away to me was the 4-cylinder seats (interior's different between the v8 and I4.

~Luke
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1969 Cougar - 11.91 - 380HP
2007 GSXR 750
1999 OZ - SOLD - 15.26 NA - 14.71 on 75 shot

I have never seen one that was real clean for less than 5k stock. Could just be the region i live in too.

Too much rust up there. Down here, they keep pretty well. My brother's car is an 80 model that doesn't have any rust on it.

~Luke
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1969 Cougar - 11.91 - 380HP
2007 GSXR 750
1999 OZ - SOLD - 15.26 NA - 14.71 on 75 shot