http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43cc46fez54dba1dc/eca2scd/__sr_/eb18scd.jpg?phIZFHFBQcUWX7HK
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43cc46fez54dba1dc/eca2scd/__sr_/402escd.jpg?phIZFHFBf21iE7xs
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43cc46fez54dba1dc/eca2scd/__sr_/b601scd.jpg?phIZFHFBRvMiLVeP
http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/users/43cc46fez54dba1dc/eca2scd/__sr_/2a72scd.jpg?phIZFHFBWVyIKPkk

Just wondering..

Edit- Didn't know where to put this, seemed a little too complicated for the pits lol.

Yep.

Notice the car is somewhere in Asia. I know I saw these pictures over the summer in a heated debate on Tuners. The thing to remember is that no one with any degree of intelligence has ever said it's impossible, merely foolish to consider. Just because someone else has done it, doesn't mean that everyone who ever said it was a stupid idea was wrong or full of shit. The fact still remains that, if you want to swap an engine, any engine, into your 2GNT, you need to have the fabrication skills, time, and money to see the project through to the end.

There is no step by step process to do this. It is a project that 99% of the DSM community hasn't done and isn't interested in pursuing, so anyone who would want to consider it would need to do more than just post "How do I do this?" I think that's the biggest reason why so many of these threads get locked - people who have no idea what they're talking about and have no desire to do something for themselves just want the easy answer handed to them on a platter. Either that, or they've got some chip on their shoulder and want to argue about it.

There is more than enough information on the web available to anyone who would want to have a go at this and, assuming someone decided to attempt it beyond just asking about it, there is enough expertise around to tackle nearly all the issues one would run into in the process. People just aren't interested in going beyond, "Tell me how to do this," or "What parts do I need?"

EDIT:
Personally, I'd like to see someone actually come to the forum in the middle of this project and ask specific questions pertaining to individual details with an open mind to hearing what others had to say. If someone posted that they were in the middle of this project and needed some insight on how to fit a square peg in a round hole in a mature manner and didn't get all butt hurt if we couldn't help them figure out an easy solution, I'd do my best to be sure they had a clean thread with no bullshit flamers.

That's my take on it, anyway. I should lock this, but I dunno. Don't want to be a complete dick this afternoon.

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I don't see why this is any different than the "Mid-Engine, RWD eclipse" thread.. Just a place to discuss this topic even though it's not highly feasible.

The pictures aren't working on this computer either.. I'll try to find the album link I found the first time..

Edit- http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/minghunghsieh2/album?.dir=eca2scd 4 pictures of the pink and blue cars. Also has Evo 8 brakes on a 2gnt.

damn! those are nice! and that yellow wide body resembles the 4g in some ways.

I really dont see what the big deal is. You can build a rock crawler 2gnt if you really want.

the fact is anything is done, its just a hunk of bolts and metal...it can be moved around, modified cut hacked welded whatever.

also, the evo engine is nothing special anyway.

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I remember those pics on Tuners. It can be done, though foolish as it may be.

I say move it to the pits.

Jason|1997 Eclipse RS

I contributed to the wiki!

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I just glimpsed the pictures but i don't see where their is proof that the car started as a 2gnt. For all intense purposes the car could have started as a regular 4g63 equipped 2g. (If there is proof I overlooked please let me know I merely grazed the pictures.) If anything I see the rear brake upgrade as more fascinating than the engine swap.

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Well I've never actually looked hard under the hood at a 4g63, but aren't the 420a bay's fuse boxes in different locations? On the pink one you can see that the fuse box is in our location, unless they decided to randomly relocate it in the exact same position as the 420a fuse box.

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I wouldn't do it, but cool someone tried.

'95 GSX - Big16G ~ Leaks, but atleast it runs.

Jason|1997 Eclipse RS

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I have a question about the front brake swap - the Evo rotors and calipers do NOT fit under ANY 16" wheels. Those wheels look like the 16" OZ wheels that came on the anniversary cars. So are they 17" wheels (I don't think the 17" model of that wheel fits over the caliper either)or are they using a smaller rotor? Something doesn't add up.

Greg

'19 Genesis G70 3.3t AWD
'88 Chrysler Conquest TSI

Something else to think about that I just noticed is didn't the dsm's over seas come with the n/a 4g63? So how would they even gotten a car with the 420a in it in the first place? I could understand one of them maybe getting their hands on a 420a eclipse, but two in the same city.....

-Roman

the Eclipse was not available at all in japan, and every eclipse over there has been imported from somewhere else. usually the states. so they got the same cars we did with only small changes.

1995 Eagle Talon ESi

i like how some people say this is not feasable....Okay, do you think the pictures are photochopped? I think the word is Practical.

Since 40 percent of EVO owners cant drive and smash thier cars, it becomes quite easy to aquire an evo from the auction for less than 10k. A guy at work and myself watch the EVO's go up for sale on private license auctions and bid on them as part out cars. There are SOOO many, its kinda sad.

for those willing to do the work and welding themselves, its well worth it. I have over 10k in my car and I still dont have the motor support the evo motor has. Its all in the eyes of the beholder.


Terry

I don't get the transmission thing. So that 2gnt has an Evo 8 engine and the Evo AWD system? Or did he make it FWD somehow?

1995 Eagle Talon ESi

am I the only one that cant see the pictures?

Evan B
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i cant see them either

1992 Plymouth Laser
-Bone stock for now.

I so totally can not see, either.

https://www.kaptainmyke.com

Click on the link in the 4th post and it will take you there.

On a side note I think it is quite feasable to do this for under 12k. The big thing is you need a FWD tranny. Is the regular Lancer's bell housing the same as the EVO???? If it is then it would be a pretty straight foward swap (If not it could get interesting and end up AWD in the end). The timing side mount would pretty much drop into the stock 420A mount location. fabbing the tranny side mount is pretty easy (with the right tools). then slightly relocating the front and rear mounts into alignment should be pretty simple. Wiring I could figure out in a couple hours with the two harnesses together in the car. And then there are just a few odds and ends type things. EVO radiator aand intercooler set up. what about half shafts well if you have a drivetrane place near by worth half a damn they can have your shafts modified (if necessary) in just a few hours (or days depending on how busy they are. Just some things to ponder.

-Kevin

Hey I might just under take this project just to say "Hey I did It and it wasn't that bad"...

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96 Eclipse GS - Traded
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88 Camaro RS 361 CID with a 6spd and a bar 10 second street car on motor.

wiring would be the worst, if you were using the car wiring, you would have to splice every single connection to run a different ecu, if you run your own wiring, PITA.

i wouldnt do it, unless someone was paying me to do it. even then, nobody would pay me to do since i cant weld.

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ok so the engine is in there, what about the drivetrain?


also these pictures look as if they were taken in taiwan.

Originally posted by Diceman19
wiring would be the worst, if you were using the car wiring, you would have to splice every single connection to run a different ecu, if you run your own wiring, PITA. i wouldnt do it, unless someone was paying me to do it. even then, nobody would pay me to do since i cant weld.

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95 Eclipse RS - Rolled
96 Eclipse GS - Traded
95 Eclipse GSX- Sold
01 Blazer LS 4.3/5spd dropped and clean DD
88 Camaro RS 361 CID with a 6spd and a bar 10 second street car on motor.