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ModeratorVX100Dec-09-01 12:25 PM
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#9794, "another idea for adjusting timing"




          

I got this idea from the turbo guys I was hanging out with today (I'm gladI'm a part of NEDSM). What about adjusting the cam angle sensor? The turbo guys will do this to get a little more timing from the car. It fools the car into providing a timing advance over the whole rpm range.

Would such a thing be possible with our engine? It is the only thing I can think of besides the unproven ITC which could advance our timing for us.

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RE: another idea for adjusting timing, Fast420A, Dec-10-01 08:41 AM, #1
RE: another idea for adjusting timing, TeamAvenger, Dec-10-01 09:02 AM, #2
RE: another idea for adjusting timing, vegasdsmr, Dec-10-01 09:05 AM, #3
      RE: another idea for adjusting timing, Fast420A, Dec-10-01 04:12 PM, #4
           RE: another idea for adjusting timing, TeamMuRiX, Dec-10-01 10:04 PM, #5
           RE: another idea for adjusting timing, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Dec-11-01 03:07 AM, #6

Fast420ADec-10-01 08:41 AM
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#9795, "RE: another idea for adjusting timing"
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how would you set it exactly without worrying about screwing it up? You have no way to tell how much you are changing it by.

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TeamAvengerDec-10-01 09:02 AM
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#9796, "RE: another idea for adjusting timing"
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I guess you could do it the same way the S-ITC would. But I guess it all depends on the output of the CAS and what it does with it to figure out the timing.

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#9797, "RE: another idea for adjusting timing"
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i think the sensor uses magnets to verify the position of the camshafts. if you moved it, i dunno what would happen. my sensor was fallin out of its clipand loosing connection over bumps etc.. and my rpms would jump and fall at like 1000 rpm increments til she cut off on me.

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Fast420ADec-10-01 04:12 PM
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#9798, "RE: another idea for adjusting timing"
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Plus our ECU adjusts the timing with input from the crank angle sensor too, that may not work right.

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KYB AGX Struts
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5 Strut Bars (2 F/U, F/L, R/U, R/L)
Sprint Front Camber Kit
$15 Rear Camber Kit
Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
Empty Catalytic Convertor
Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts
Hurricane_GS Short Shifter
Symborsky Shift Kit
Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular
225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires


Audio:
Alpine CD Head Unit
Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears
Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs
Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears
Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears
3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono

Flame Red SRT-4 GT40,8.5:1 Built Shortblock, Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams, etc etc etc...

  

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TeamMuRiXDec-10-01 10:04 PM
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#9799, "RE: another idea for adjusting timing"
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If you move the sensor off base too much, the car will not run right. I doubt you will be able to set timing by moving it.

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Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOneDec-11-01 03:07 AM
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#9800, "RE: another idea for adjusting timing"
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From what i understand, all our timing is set by input from the crank angle sensor. The ECU uses the cam angle sensor as a reference signal to determine of mechanical timing is maintained and not to adjust ignition spark.

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