If I was going to get a new engine what should I put in? What will fit? I'm looking for something with more power than the 420a. thanks

Nothing and everything. Since its not a honda, 1.8 V6 MX3,240sx ect there is no common swap. Sure a 4G63 could be fitted but might as well swap in a toyota engine for that matter or anything else you like because there is nothing in common. Be the first to install a 2.4L chryler engine a la neon (of cousr it will have the header on the firewall. Seriously if your gonna spend the kind of money that is required for an engine swap you have more than enough to make the engine it came with fast (turbo kits, extensive headwork ect are cheaper than swapping in anything but a 420A). Come on dude go over to the turbo/nitrous section. (Still drunk on a monday eveing. Peace out)


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My engine is shot and I gotta get a new one. So I'll get something that I want rather than put new 420A in. That way I won't have to do all these mods to make it faster cause it will already be fast. Know what I mean? Either way I gotta get a new engine. thanks

Dude, get another 420a. The power potential for this engine is far superior to just about any other engine, except for maybe a VTEC or vvti (I think?), and that just wouldn't be worth the trouble. Unlike most other 4 cyliders out there, the 420a is operating WELL below it's potential in our cars. For the amount you would spend for an engine swap, you could easily have a new 420a power plant pushing 300+ HP.

The 420a takes it's design cues from such sources as Lotus, Ferrari, Porsche, just to name a few. That's all I should have to say.

Just my $.02

Later-

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Old School 2GNTer
Now rockin an 05 SRT-4

The cylinder head is of Lotus design. Hows that for advanced.

Skrilla
'97 Base Talon NA
"Technology: The Only Replacement for Displacement"
"Peace and Turbo Grease"

*Skrilla
"Honest officer, I thought you were trying to race me"
Talon: 1st 2.4L
'97 Prelude
'04 350Z

Originally posted by etx
Good luck man! Project 'STFU Brian your talon is dead meat' should be on it's feet soon!

I once saw a really radical Eclipse motor conversion. This guy shoved a 350 small block in there. It smoked anything out there that I ever saw him race. Pretty damn expensive to do if I remember correctly. Need to replace almost everything in the car. (i.e. tranny, computer, axles, suspension, etc.., etc...).
Would be unique though....

BurtonBoy

Dogg, my engine's shot too. I'm looking at 2g just to fix the damn thing. Do you know how many bolts the engine has cause I found a JDM that might fit with the right # of bolts.

Any and ALL motor swaps in an eclipse are going to be either way to difficult or way too stupid to achieve. If you SERIOUSLY want an Eclipse hybrid, and you don't car about how difficult or how crazy the instal might be, here are a few suggestions

1. passenger seated EVO motor (4g63)with a GS Spyder tranny
2. Avenger v6 motor (6g73) with an avenger or 3g eclipse tranny
3. Japan spec galant motor (6A13) with ? tranny
4. gst (4g63) motor (or any 4g series motor just about) (with custom piping and all the stupid essentials) with GS spyder tranny
5. 3kgt motor (6g72) with 6g73 motor mount and 3g tranny
6. 3g (6g72)motor and tranny

notice....these are just a few ideas to think about, and I personally consider all of these options either WAY too costly, WAY too time consuming, WAY too unreliable, WAY too big, or WAY too stupid to do. your best option would really be to get another DSM spec 420 and build it for turbocharging.

Bring it on.............

the 2.4L stratus block with the NT Eclipse/Talon Head. That would be better than any other swap and the best part is that our ECU could still control it. That is something to seriously think about if you you do an engine swap in our cars for the 1st time. With that setup the exhaust and intake would still be in a realistic place. Also we half less than an inch of working area to install a tranny and engine in our bay. The other Cloud cars a little easier even though all are off the same platform

Skrilla
'97 Base Talon NA
"Technology: The Only Replacement for Displacement"
"Peace and Turbo Grease"

*Skrilla
"Honest officer, I thought you were trying to race me"
Talon: 1st 2.4L
'97 Prelude
'04 350Z

Originally posted by etx
Good luck man! Project 'STFU Brian your talon is dead meat' should be on it's feet soon!

yep, you can either go with a frankenstein motor which is a 2.4block with the DOHC (420a)head... or just buy another motor from the junkyard or anywhere u can get one used and spend the money on building it up and bulletproofing it... Swapping in the 4g63 motor in is not practical at all... the turbo motor will drop right in, but you have to redo all the mounts and reweld reinforcements and move some stuff around... Its been done and at the end, it ended up costing more than a Modified GSX but he only came out with a STOCK GST kind of car... catch my drift... but the real question should be, IS MONEY A PROBLEM?! WITH ALL THE MONEY, U CAN DO ANYTHING U WANT..

good luck
RO

>yep, you can either go with a frankenstein motor which is a 2.4 block with the DOHC(420a)head



Has anyone ever done this and where could I find info on this engine and info on what car has the stock 2.4 engine and the specs on it stock? What kinda power would you be looking at? Thanks

Flame Red SRT-4 GT40,8.5:1 Built Shortblock, Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams, etc etc etc...

http://www.dreamspeed1.com/car/cloud24/specs.htm

According to this, the stock 2.4 is electronicy limited to 6,240 rpm. Would there be any way around this with the Frankenstein? The stock torque of this engine is 167 ft lb at 4000rpm and 150 hp at 5200.

Flame Red SRT-4 GT40,8.5:1 Built Shortblock, Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams, etc etc etc...

It would seem that with the 2.4 block and 420a head+ecu power should be right about 170hp ! (integra gsr spec)
Then throw on a turbo kit, sheetmetal intake manifold, and cams.
Should be easily at 300hp @ 8psi..

Sorry gettin carried away here!

damn that is some damn good torque...167. that would haul ass off the line

-jason

The 2.4L ECU predetermines the redline, with that said if you use the Talon ECU the redline(better called the fuel cut) is 7200, but the engine cannot safely run over 6400rpms. It can, though, by removing the crank balance shafts. The block itself is only about 20lbs heavier (I don't remember anymore for sure) and 1" taller with all the other dimensions the same. It could work but the Motor mounts would have to be changed. That I would consider the BEST swap. With our Head the shafts removed and 7200rpms redline I also think 170HP is possible, the torque would be adifferent story altogether as our intake mannies are designed for higher rpm HP instead of low rpms torque. Your plain Vanilla 2.4L is 167lbs at 4200. The 167lbs of torque is partially developed throught the Manifold design. So we would lose some of that 167lbs, probably down to 155lbs, or so, but our HP would be high, and 3rd gear chirps would be easy.

Skrilla
'97 Base Talon NA
"Technology: The Only Replacement for Displacement"
"Peace and Turbo Grease"

*Skrilla
"Honest officer, I thought you were trying to race me"
Talon: 1st 2.4L
'97 Prelude
'04 350Z

Originally posted by etx
Good luck man! Project 'STFU Brian your talon is dead meat' should be on it's feet soon!

This was my idea from the start but it got no play, so I decided to go the Stroker route but nobody want's that either. I guess I'm on my own again.

Skrilla
'97 Base Talon NA
"Technology: The Only Replacement for Displacement"
"Peace and Turbo Grease"

*Skrilla
"Honest officer, I thought you were trying to race me"
Talon: 1st 2.4L
'97 Prelude
'04 350Z

Originally posted by etx
Good luck man! Project 'STFU Brian your talon is dead meat' should be on it's feet soon!

not really that no one wanted it. just probably can't afford it.


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As mentioned before to do a swap would require you to almost cut and weld a new front end, cause nothing is a "bolt and go". So if you were really set on a swap and had to do that, I would say go for the TURBO VR4. can you imagine what kind off bad AZZ power we would have with our bodies and that motor?
Just a thought.
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I would do it just to find out how it is done. It is not costly AT ALL. You can pick up a 2.4L BLOCK for 200-300 dollars. Then some mount movement rewelding(like an extra 100). This is totally doable.

MWC: I like the VR4TT engine but it is TOO DAMN heavy. Our block is 135lbs but with our total engine, head and all it's nit pick hookups is over 340lbs. That's just for our lightweight 2L. The VR4 is a regular iron block (not thin-walled like us) 2 turbos and all it's plumbing. That has to be at about 700lbs maybe more. The 4G-63T is about 500lbs complete.

Skrilla
'97 Base Talon NA
"Technology: The Only Replacement for Displacement"
"Peace and Turbo Grease"

*Skrilla
"Honest officer, I thought you were trying to race me"
Talon: 1st 2.4L
'97 Prelude
'04 350Z

Originally posted by etx
Good luck man! Project 'STFU Brian your talon is dead meat' should be on it's feet soon!

First off, where are you, secondly. . .If I can figure out how to come up with some money I will really be thinking about this swap. I am going to try to get a hold of another 420A head so i can get a valve job and all that stuff and then if I can find the block I will put them together and swap them out. Shouldn't be too hard of a swap right?

Flame Red SRT-4 GT40,8.5:1 Built Shortblock, Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams, etc etc etc...

Heh I always wanted to go NA... like stroker kit, reinforced engine parts (bulletproofing)! Heh look at the Spoon Sports Civic hehe, that engines badass! 14000 redline

Wish there was a 20 valve head with individual throttle bodies hehe... Or that V6 with MVEC the FTO has is nice. Wonder why they didn't put that V6 into the 3G Eclipse. (it doesn't even count as a mitsubishi now)


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My sick wet dream is about a swap of the 2.4L stratus engine then stroked to about 2.7 - 2.9L, or the most possible. Then turbocharge that bada$$ with a BB T4 and 30PSI with some crane turbo cams in the head. I should be able to squeeze, at least, 500HP at the wheels.

Skrilla
'97 Base Talon NA
"Technology: The Only Replacement for Displacement"
"Peace and Turbo Grease"

*Skrilla
"Honest officer, I thought you were trying to race me"
Talon: 1st 2.4L
'97 Prelude
'04 350Z

Originally posted by etx
Good luck man! Project 'STFU Brian your talon is dead meat' should be on it's feet soon!

I think I just spooged all over my keyboard skrilla.

Chris
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EWWWW

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Who sez FF can't drift?

which is why I have a keyboard cover j/

Skrilla
'97 Base Talon NA
"Technology: The Only Replacement for Displacement"
"Peace and Turbo Grease"

*Skrilla
"Honest officer, I thought you were trying to race me"
Talon: 1st 2.4L
'97 Prelude
'04 350Z

Originally posted by etx
Good luck man! Project 'STFU Brian your talon is dead meat' should be on it's feet soon!