#85425, "97 rs won't start after 1 day, water bump spewing water"
My car I never drive. When I do want to, I have to jumpstart it everytime. There is 2 month old battery, new in it under that hood. Last weekend I had it just jump started and idling in the parking lot with the vent blowing reg air while I hopped inside...I come back out and the hood is smoking white smoke everywhere, and the water pump is spewing water/coolant all over the ground. The temperature guauge was all the way up to hot, and so I cranked the heater on and parked the car and haven't driven it since.
I replaced the power steering belt in October, but not the Accessory belt. Could this have something to do with the altenator not charging the battery, and the reason for the water pump spewing water? Is the pump dead now, you think?
#85429, "RE: 97 rs won't start after 1 day, water bump spewing water" In response to Reply # 1
i had...well not exactly the same thing happen. i pulled into my school parking lot after running down to the store. parked it, went back to class for a couple hours. came back out and there was coolant all over the ground. started it up...clack clack clatter bang. yup, water pump shelled. i recently changed mine...not too bad. and you do NOT have to remove the rear plastic peice. i didnt...mainly cuz i didnt wanna jack with removing the cam gears. but anyhow, yeah...thats whats up. my pump was jacked up. it wont even turn a full revolution w/o hanging up now (old one). hehe good luck
#85428, "RE: 97 rs won't start after 1 day, water bump spewing water" In response to Reply # 0
Originally posted by KaptainMyke My car I never drive. I replaced the power steering belt in October, but not the Accessory belt. Could this have something to do with the altenator not charging the battery, and the reason for the water pump spewing water? Is the pump dead now, you think? Anyone help plz.
If I remember right, the P/S belt (also A/C) is a seperate belt from the alternator. The alternator has its own belt. So, as long as that belt is spinning, your alternator is spinning. Does the car die after it's on? Lights dim? If not, I would suspect your alternator is fine, you might have a bum battery, a bad ground somewhere, or (more likely) a draw on the system.
In terms of the water pump, it's driven by the timing belt, so it would have nothing to do with the accesory belts. Sounds like you have a bad pump, nothing new in our motors. If it's spewing coolant, then a weep hole or seals are most likely to blame.
When you're in there, put another timing belt on, since coolant doesn't work very well as a lubricant.
Also, I would do a compression check, and change your thermostat. A severe overheating might cause a head gasket to pop. (It did on my winter beater)
Good luck! Brian
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#87053, "RE: 97 rs won't start after 1 day, water bump spewing water" In response to Reply # 7 Mar-12-05 12:46 PM by KaptainMyke
Finally, after 2 months of raining weekends, this is what I have found so far:
The steering belt was shredded on the right side; a small chunk was taken out of it. What could have caused this? I just replaced it in July. Almost looked as if my water pump pulley wasn't aligned properly with the steering pulley?
My thermostat was broken off on one side, and the little ball bearing inside broke out too. I'm still taking things apart but that's what I found out so far. That must have been the cause of all the water and coolant spewing everywhere.
Ok, now where's the water pump? Do I have to remove the timing belt? So far I have the entire powersteering assembly off, hanging by a few hoses, and the steering belt is off and I removed the thermostat and housing. I also removed my heat sheild and anything loose in the general area. I'm wondering if my water pump is fine, maybe only the thermostat blew. I still have to replace almost any hoses under there, since everythings worn and cracked at 120k heh.
#87056, "RE: 97 rs won't start after 1 day, water bump spewing water" In response to Reply # 8
The waterpump is on the right side of the car. There is a metal tube that runs under the exhaust manifold that runs to it. Check to see if that is still in the hole in the block. That may be where the coolant's coming from.
#87066, "RE: 97 rs won't start after 1 day, water bump spewing water" In response to Reply # 9
Ok I got ac and ps belts off, ps pump and pulley off, removed just about everything around on that side. I see the water pump, it's under the lower timing belt cover. My timing belt and a/c belts look fine. What do I take off next to get to the water pump? Am I going to need those special tools to remove a pulley, sprocket, or something? It looks like my UDP is in the way from me taking off the water pump or lower timing belt cover.
Furthermore, looks like a bolt is stripped on the bottom of the alternator, where the tensioner or bottom rod bolt is. I see an angle bracket holding tight a stripped out bolt head with a "10" on it. The other side of the shaft is the bolt I loosened to get the alternator belt off. How am I going to get this stripped bolt off that's on the other side of it?
For the rest of the day I closed the hood and lowered the car back down. I still have everything in peices and taken apart for now, just kinda shoved everything in little zip lock freezer baggies and threw em in the back seat for now.
#87067, "RE: 97 rs won't start after 1 day, water bump spewing water" In response to Reply # 10
Ok I read on Unorthodox website that I have to loosen the UDP to get to the water pump. It's called the "crankshaft pulley", right? So I take that off, which I read is hard as hell to loosen, get another person to have it in 5th gear, and press/hold brake down hard as hell and break the pulley loose.
Is this correct? I should not have to remove the timing belt or fuck up the timing this way. The belt was changed 13,000 miles ago, anyways. There's no cracking or anything from what I can see. Only my steering belt was shredded on the right hand side.
#87086, "RE: 97 rs won't start after 1 day, water bump spewing water" In response to Reply # 12
Timing belt has to come off to get to the waterpump. You'll need a harmonic balancer puller to get the UR pulley off, you can rent one at AutoZone for $15 or i have one you can borrow.
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#87097, "RE: 97 rs won't start after 1 day, water bump spewing water" In response to Reply # 18 Mar-14-05 08:45 AM by DarkOne
Originally posted by WIDECLIPSE Well that will be easier to get off than the whole thing if it can be done that way.
I doubt you can (easily) get the timing belt over the hub, plus you can't time the motor if the timing mark on the sprocket is covered up by the pulley hub
Originally posted by KaptainMyke Yeah, but Dino said you gotta take the timing belt off anyways to get to the water pump. Crap. Dino, come over this weekend.
Can't. Not gonna be in town, otherwise I'd love to come over and help. Going to Dallas Thursday to see Motley Crue and going to Beaumont Friday afternoon/evening to hang out with family and spend some away-time with the GF.
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#87099, "RE: 97 rs won't start after 1 day, water bump spewing water" In response to Reply # 19
Originally posted by DarkOne
Originally posted by WIDECLIPSE Well that will be easier to get off than the whole thing if it can be done that way.
I doubt you can (easily) get the timing belt over the hub, plus you can't time the motor if the timing mark on the sprocket is covered up by the pulley hub
The cover cant slip the past that UR hub. Tried it once... ended up pulling it off.
Originally posted by DarkOne Going to Dallas Thursday to see Motley Crue
#87107, "RE: 97 rs won't start after 1 day, water bump spewing water" In response to Reply # 20
Dino lemme know when your next availiable for a weekend. I'll give ya free beer and free food, dood. Plus, I reeeeallllly want you to meet my fiance and see the new place/cars.
My future mother-in-law will be down either the first or second week of April. So that weekend is out. Maybe afterwards?
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