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FlyinEsiMay-06-04 09:08 AM
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#74137, "Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"




          

I was watching the power block on Spike TV last weekend and one of the shows was talking about conventional oil, synthetic blend, and synthetic oil. They said since synthetic oil is such high quality, it doesn't need to be changed as frequently.

This is news to me, what do you say? How often does your oil need to be changed with synthetic oil??



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RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, thedawg, May-06-04 09:35 AM, #1
RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Kirby, May-06-04 11:33 AM, #2
      RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, thedawg, May-06-04 01:16 PM, #3
           RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Kirby, May-06-04 01:54 PM, #4
RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Kirby, May-06-04 09:45 AM, #5
RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, FlyinEsi, May-06-04 10:23 AM, #6
      RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, jayden1, May-06-04 12:57 PM, #7
           RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Uberingram, May-06-04 01:43 PM, #8
                RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, run4cvr, May-06-04 01:45 PM, #9
                     RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Uberingram, May-06-04 02:19 PM, #10
                     RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, MR BLUNT 2gnt, May-06-04 02:44 PM, #11
                          RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, WickedESi, May-06-04 06:09 PM, #12
                               RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, MR BLUNT 2gnt, May-07-04 12:23 PM, #13
                     RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, AdministratorCODE4, May-06-04 06:31 PM, #14
RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Teamner947, May-06-04 04:46 PM, #15
RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, TeamJasonESi_T, May-06-04 04:50 PM, #16
      RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Uberingram, May-06-04 06:17 PM, #17
           RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, DarKReaLity, May-06-04 06:29 PM, #18
                RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Teamner947, May-07-04 02:48 AM, #19
                     RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Justin99RS, May-07-04 07:53 AM, #20
                          RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, jsupetran, May-07-04 04:04 PM, #21
                               RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Blizare, May-07-04 08:33 PM, #22
                                    RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, May-08-04 02:42 AM, #23
                                         RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Pitchblack98, May-08-04 04:55 AM, #24
                                              RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, May-08-04 06:40 AM, #25
                                                   RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, justinator, May-08-04 11:55 AM, #26
                                                        RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Chamuko, May-08-04 06:31 PM, #27
                                                             RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, May-08-04 08:50 PM, #28
                                                                  RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, DarKReaLity, May-08-04 10:07 PM, #29
                                                                       RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, ModeratorVX100, May-09-04 03:47 AM, #30
                                                                            RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Justin99RS, May-09-04 04:23 AM, #31
                                                                                 RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, evan2, May-12-04 12:00 AM, #32
                                                                                      RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, May-12-04 07:15 AM, #33
                                                                                           RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, Chamuko, May-13-04 06:03 AM, #34
                                                                                                RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, evan2, May-13-04 06:11 AM, #35
                                                                                                     RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?, DarKReaLity, May-13-04 06:51 AM, #36

thedawgMay-06-04 09:35 AM
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#74140, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Yes every 3000.

You could go up to 5000, but Mobil1 has significant breakdown at about 2500.

  

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KirbyMay-06-04 11:33 AM
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#74157, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Originally posted by thedawg
Yes every 3000. You could go up to 5000, but Mobil1 has significant breakdown at about 2500.


Hey Dan, I'm not questioning your statement but where did you get this information? Was it an article or a study or something? I would like to get more info on this.



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#74175, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Originally posted by KirbyHey Dan, I'm not questioning your statement but where did you get this information? Was it an article or a study or something? I would like to get more info on this.


Heh, questioning is fine. Its just by personal experience... I've noticed my RPM's drop and the oil starts looking like ASS in my engine after about 2500 miles of boosting around. When I feel the engine just get sluggish and it seems to run badly, its usually around 3k miles. I'm sure a non-turbo would break the oil down alot slower.

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#74185, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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May-06-04 01:55 PM by Kirby



          

Originally posted by thedawg
Originally posted by KirbyHey Dan, I'm not questioning your statement but where did you get this information? Was it an article or a study or something? I would like to get more info on this.
Heh, questioning is fine. Its just by personal experience... I've noticed my RPM's drop and the oil starts looking like ASS in my engine after about 2500 miles of boosting around. When I feel the engine just get sluggish and it seems to run badly, its usually around 3k miles. I'm sure a non-turbo would break the oil down alot slower. I use Mobil1 10w30 for what its worth emoji


I got you there brother I have noticed that too. When I beat on her she is ready to change at 3000 but if I baby her she can go to 5000. Usually in the winter months when I'm not really boosting much it can go longer.
I also run 10w30 BTW...



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#74142, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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May-06-04 10:06 AM by Kirby



          

Well It's still all personal preference. Some people who use synthetic oil don't change it for 6,000 miles, infact on some new cars that use synthetic it even says that in the manuel. I personally very based on my driving. If I have been taking it easy on the car I may wait till 4 or 5,000 miles. (But I put a fresh quart in every 2-4 days though...lol).But if I have been beating on her then she gets a change every 3,000. Once you start adding turbo and all this other stuff to a motor you have made a real investment in it, and to protect that investment by changing oil regulary is a really simple / cheap insurance policy.



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#74144, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Originally posted by Kirby
Well It's still all personal preference. Some people who use synthetic oil don't change it for 6,000 miles, infact on some new cars that use synthetic it even says that in the manuel. I personally very based on my driving. If I have been taking it easy on the car I may wait till 4 or 5,000 miles. (But I put a fresh quart in every 2-4 days though...lol).But if I have been beating on her then she gets a change every 3,000. Once you start adding turbo and all this other stuff to a motor you have made a real investment in it, and to protect that investment by changing oil regulary is a really simple / cheap insurance policy.


Exactly what I was thinking. I am using Mobil1 Synthetic, and I will continue to change every 3,000 miles, I just wanted some other opinions.



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#74172, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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hmm... i was told that amsoil doesnt have to be changed for 7500 miles. you just have to change the filter. I dunno for sure. I got that info from a buddy of mine who buys amsoil from the dealer.

  

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#74182, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Originally posted by jayden1
hmm... i was told that amsoil doesnt have to be changed for 7500 miles. you just have to change the filter. I dunno for sure. I got that info from a buddy of mine who buys amsoil from the dealer.


How do you change the filter without changing the oil?

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#74183, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Originally posted by Uberingram
Originally posted by jayden1 hmm... i was told that amsoil doesnt have to be changed for 7500 miles. you just have to change the filter. I dunno for sure. I got that info from a buddy of mine who buys amsoil from the dealer.
How do you change the filter without changing the oil?


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#74188, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Originally posted by run4cvr
Originally posted by Uberingram
Originally posted by jayden1 hmm... i was told that amsoil doesnt have to be changed for 7500 miles. you just have to change the filter. I dunno for sure. I got that info from a buddy of mine who buys amsoil from the dealer.
How do you change the filter without changing the oil?
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#74191, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Amsoil >*


400whp or bust.

  

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#74201, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Originally posted by MR BLUNT 2gnt
Amsoil >*


Price of Amsoil > *


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#74226, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Originally posted by WickedESi
Originally posted by MR BLUNT 2gnt Amsoil >*
Price of Amsoil > *



depends on which you buy. the regular synthetic is around 5.80 a quart in my area. mobil one is 4.99. 80 cents is scratch.

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not changing your oil every 3K is REALLY not a good idea. you want the freshed oil in your turbo at all times. changing your oil every 25k is probably the dumbest thing i've read on here next to the electric turbo idea. gg


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#74204, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Originally posted by run4cvr
Originally posted by Uberingram
Originally posted by jayden1 hmm... i was told that amsoil doesnt have to be changed for 7500 miles. you just have to change the filter. I dunno for sure. I got that info from a buddy of mine who buys amsoil from the dealer.
How do you change the filter without changing the oil?
Very quickly emoji


You sound like leaving the oil filter off with oil in the crankcase would cause ALL the oil to come pouring out the spin on adapter. A little might drip out that the anti-drainback valve was keeping there, but if you prime the new filter before installing it (takes ~0.5 qt) you will not have any serious loss. Pull the dipstick and verify.

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#74193, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Miles don't matter. Oil needs to be changed when it's dirty.


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#74195, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Plus, when it's a turbocharged car, I think the urgency to change becomes even more apparent. All that extra heat and the additional ride through the turbo's bearings has to break down the oil's viscosity much quicker as opposed to merely being in a n/a environment.

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#74202, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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My SRT starts to break up the oil at about 2500. Mobil1 synthetic.

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#74203, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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i'm starting to notice different vicosities like from 0w-50 to 15w50. i consider sticking to 15w50 for now on since the weather in FL is always hot. besides it does break down quicker being below that viscosity,especially being turbo. everytime i do my oil change which is from 2500 to 3000miles, the blackness is terrible but not sludgy; it comes out smooth(10w30 mobil1) but being 15w50, the oil looked better at 3000miles. it was still kinda dark brown, but i feel it all depends on the climate you live in. the colder it is. the lower your winter weight viscosity.

  

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#74211, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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I run 15W-50 all year round. Even with -10 degree New England tempatures this winter, I never had a problem with starting or otherwise. It did take unusally long to heat up, though.


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#74221, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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synthetic oil has a PROVEN to have higher durability from breakdown that dino oil...if you read the factory manual it says change the dino oil every 7500miles...granted i wouldn't go that long on boost..but still..i ran my castrol syntec 10-12,000 miles turboed and it showed no signs of deterioration and wasn't completely trash when i changed it...now that i am not turbo i only change it once every 20,000 miles....here's some more info...

my dad had a 95 BMW 530i, he used full synthetic oil and changed every 25,000 miles, car was still running in TOP condition with PERFECT compression when he sold it at 278,000 miles and he was EXTREMELY hard on that car...so IMO its a waste of money to change synthetic oil any sooner than 10,000 miles...

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#74232, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Do you think you can extend an oil life by having an external oil cooler?


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#74241, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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mY dad is an Amsoil dealer and he farkin swears by the shit. Expensive...yes but when I got the TAlon w/ 60,000 miles on her, we put in synthetic and its been great ever since...usally aroun 8-10k everytime I change...But really it doesn't get black like normal shit.......


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#74247, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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the oil is not changed because it breaks down....oil really doesnt break down per say. oil becomes contaminated with gasoline particles and combustion contaminants that is also the reason oil burning stoves will burn used oil only. If you look at most studies the oil molecules are not breaking down they are becoming trapped by gasoline particles and other contaminant from the combustion cycles. The detergents in oil are what break down not the oil, i cannot stress that enough. The difference in synthetics are the ability of the molecules to keep uniform shape as opposed to the conventional oil that do not and to repel contaminats with a much better detergent. This is the reason you never breakin an engine with synthetic.

Oil changed were always rated at 7000 mi by the various manufacturers. GM has had 7500 in there mowners manuals for the past 30yrs. the 3000 mi rule was produced by the oil industry to sell more oil andnaturally people caught on becauseit was cheap insurance. More frequent changing keeps the inside of an engine cleaner and the seals cleaner, therefore it is a safer bet. Now synthetics have a higher tolerance to cotaminants and more detergents to protect so naturally there oil change freqency can be lengthened.

To say oil breaks down is wrong....oil gets contaninated and that causes it short term to get thinned and long term to get thicker much like molasses. Most cars used for drag race only use non detergent oil, that is because they change every race or every race day, there is no need for a detergent.

I choose mobil 1 and my 94 z28 that i had was changed ever 5000. at 200,000 miles the compression was 170psi (lowest was 155psi) roughly accross the board...new the LT1 motor came with 170-180 depending on how tight the motor was assembled.

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#74251, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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dont know if anyone has ever noticed, but take a look in the service part of the owners manual... It says to change your oil every 7500 miles. I still change mine between 3000 and 4000 miles.

I also run castrol synthetic blend, and only be cause i have a little oil leak and mobile 1 seems to just run right thru the leak and i leak more when running it.

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#74255, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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lmao....yes i cant run mobile 1 in the talon....she pees oil...lol

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justinatorMay-08-04 11:55 AM
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#74269, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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I also use 10w30 mobil 1 and I change it every 3ooo miles. I think its a matter of preference though. I purchased my car with a brand new short block in it and after the break in period I switched to full synthetic and change it at 3000 mile intervals. The oil still looks fine but It makes me feel better knowing I changed it. Say like some of the others.......its cheap insurance.

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#74277, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Agreed its the contamination. I would like to read up where everyone is getting all this oil info stuff from.

Yes oil does break down IMO, the way it was exaplained to me was that its not only how dirty oil is but also how it feels, yes I use gloves to touch it. Try it next time you change your oil. The used oil feels water-like, the new oil feels like it will offer lubrication. I dont care if the oil looks brand new. I change oil after constant use like a road trip or a long dostamce trip.

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#74287, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Yea but chamuko the feel is not the oil breaking down its the contaminants in it. You have to understand it on a molecular level....oil does not break down...the moleculs do not break down. I dont want to explain chemestry here but take a few classes and you will understand. I am sorry if i sound ignorant i am just piss drunk...lol just kidding. i just dont want to bore anyone. there was a kick ass study on oil and oil filter but the link i once had quit working....i will do some searching and try to find a good site for everyone to learn from. my primary source was an EX crewleaders son......he worked as a chemical engineer at an oil refinery...no i dont remember which....

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#74289, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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actually it would be a good idea to explain in scientific terms, i think pretty much everyone as myself can understand. also explain the the differences in oil filers as per Fram toughguard, purolator, etc... brands. i just think that once the oil is contaminated at some point regardless if you think it don't break down sooner, the lubrication and heat transfer is not going to be as effective as it will be 7500mi later.

  

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#74290, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Ok, my take on this (if that's worth anything, heh heh)

Just look at the service manual for your car and it will have the reccomended oil change schedule. Usually they have two oil change/maintenance schedules: regular and severe. For the regualr interval it can be 5000 miles or 7500 miles. For the severe it is almost always 3000 miles. Severe useage is racing (of course), lots of stop and go driving, not driving the car long enough to get the oil heated up to burn off contaminants, blah blah. You have to use your judgement as to how much you've done "severe" driving to warrant an oil change at an earlier interval.

Following the reccomended maintenance schedule should be fine, because if a huge car company put in an oil change interval that was too long and customers lost engines while following it, I'm sure they could be held liable for gving customers incorrect maintenance information (gotta love lawyers emoji)

And, some cars (like BMWs) say DO NOT change the oil in the car when you first buy it for 7k or even 10k miles. This is not because it has "break in oil" in the engine (that kind of stuff went out in the 60s or 70s, because of modern engines and probably more importantly modern oils you don't need to worry about that despite what a bunch of fat 50+ mechanics and racers who are still stuck in the past might tell you). The reason why is the German engines are built "too tight" (typical anal retentive Germans, built to too close a tolerance standard) and you need to let the engine wear just a little bit to make sure the rings seal properly. (that's why a lot of times a German engine doesn't start to get interesting and make the power it should until 70k miles or so, it hasn't worn in enough) When peole changed the oil too soon, they had problems with their car because they didn't follow the engine schedule in the manual properly that said "don't change oil for 7k miles when you first buy the car".

The more you beat on the car the sooner you'll need to change the oil. If you use your car for highway driving only and you're just crusing from point A to point B, then you can defenitely use the regular interval. We had one car in my family, it only saw highway miles and the oil was changed in it every 7500 miles, and that engine ran fine until the car was sold at 175K miles.

If you've got a turbo, you'll defenitely have to change oil more often. The proof? Look at the service manual for an Eclipse (I still have mine, naturally). They have THREE maintenance schedules: regualr, turbocharged cars, and severe useage. The oil change interval is 6K miles (I think) for regualr, 4.5K ffor turbo (driving like you would under "regualr") and 3k miles under severe.

As for synthetic, it can take more abuse, so you can go longer with it, but I wouldn't go OVER the max reccomended in a service manual (such as that 7500 mile figure) and if you are really treating the car hard (i.e. turboed with 300+ hp and you hit 20 psi of boost about a dozen times every day you drive it, racing the car, etc etc) then every 3k miles just to be sure. I mean, it's your modded car and you're beating the crap out of it, it's going to need more maintenance.

When it's the winter and I'm not racing, I change the synthetic oil in my car at around 4K miles or so (IF I put that many miles on it, in the winter I don't drive it much) and when racing 3K miles just to be sure (but again, I don't put many miles on it so it's not too often and it doesn't hurt the wallet too much).

The synthetic is good insurance if you go a little long (a little isn't 8k miles) on when you are supposed to change oil, unless that is what you are supposed to usein your car (live Vettes, which are supposed to use synthetic oil).

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#74292, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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i drive hard. i use synthetic. i change at 10-12,000. my car will still run at 200,000 miles. nothing ANY of you say will change my mind. end of my part in this thread.

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#74377, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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ive recently heard a lot of talk about the hype behind synthetic oils, most just run the cheapest shit they can find
but they run some good stuff for break in periods

tearing blocks apart a lot they see what the differences is, they said not much
some are boosted and some are na

keep in mind ive been running mobil one for years, might change my mind soon though who knows

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#74381, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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here is a link to the oil filter study i read a while back. the guy moved his info.

http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/oil_filter_study/

enjoy...i fear a few of you may cringe when you find the filter you are using in on this page.

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97 Eclipse
Greddy header/evo exhaust - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - ceramic intake - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: Apexi AFC, HKS EVC IV, ceramic intake, 450 Turbo injectors, SFMU/return line, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)

  

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#74421, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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Ok I asked my professor again. It is a little of both actually. It Does have more to do with break down then with contamination though. Especially on our cars.

The molecules not only get affected by the contaminants but they do "rip" which is what is suppose to happen.

Ah I remember that thread, good reading. I never liked fram.

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#74422, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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fram blows ass
Honda OEM or mobil one for me

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#74423, "RE: Synthetic Oil . . . does it need to be changed every 3,000 miles?"
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well i'm shocked on those comparisons! i knew for some reason Fram was a piece of crap. it makes sense now why when i look up oil filters for customers in pepboys, that the 1st filters the comptuter lists are Purolator PureOne and Acdelco... Fram is on the bottom of the list with the proline crap. i'm glad i only used Fram back in the day, but never while boosted. thanks for that site man, that's a good wake up call. i'm still skeptical whether synthetic is legit, or just go with synthetic-blend. oil is getting kinda expensive you know. see if you guys can find comparisons for oil.

  

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