Well I'm planning to order the FTY 2.2L (the $3300 with he forged crank, yum) one question i have is should I go with 8.8:1 or 9.0:1 compression? The car will be turboed and I'm looking at the PTE SC-60 turbo right now.

is there anything i should know about FTY 2.2358?L engine? like is it good for turboing? or would there be problems with going turbo and planning to make lots of power with it? other than normal problems

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The standard answer you get will be to go with 8.8:1, and this is a safe method with room for error in tuning.

I wouldn't drop below 9.5:1 You'll need less boost to achieve the same power level, and you should see some more power before boost kicks in. But the higher compression you go the smaller the window becomes for tuning.

I would boost on 10 or 10.5:1, if I were to boost. But the room for error is getting smaller then. So the decision is yours.

Of the two options you listed I'd definately go with the 9:1.



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I was thinking 9:1 because people do it somewhat often and dont have too much problems, just slightly harder to tune than 8.8:1, also with the 2.2L and 9.0 compression i figure I could spool that turbo pretty decently compared to a 2.0 with 8.8:1 compression.

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question...

for longevity wouldnt a high comp. lets say the stock 9.5 compression and boosting 8 psi. be better than a low comp. 8.8 boosting 12psi running the same hp. i am assuming the less pressure running through it the less stress ...

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probably, but i doubt it would make that much of a difference. ill e sticking to 8.8:1 or 9.0:1 because i plan to (hopefully) run around 18-20 psi on pump gas. but that wont be to summer when i have the fuel system figure out completely, may end up going standalone so I can rev the engine higher than 7300. like oh say 8500-9000 since the engine could handle it, head will too since im getting it built also.

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damn dood..... maybe ill have to visit u when u get all that done. haha. btw - what rims do u have? size?



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9.0:1. Definitely. .2 difference in compression is minimal. We run 9:1 all the time on Mustangs with boost anywhere from 8-15 psi. Don't seem to have issues as long as its a good tune with a safe A/F ratio.

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I've heard of a few people having problems in getting in touch with FTY on updates to their work. Also, check into Howell's 2.2 stroker block, I've never had 1 problem with mine and he also has the new forged cranks available

97 Dodge Avenger
a670 reverse manual 3spd swap, 3400 stall, 2.2 stroker, zex setup, 8 fuel injector setup, t3/t4, turbonetics wastegate, and a slew of other mods to go fast BEST ET: TBD
03 srt-4
Stage 1, exhaust, TB, map clamp, wga and mbc. BEST ET: 12.935 @ 110

ya, i can always go through VT engines themself if i had to. however i may not get the 2.2L block. guranteed it would quite nice, i may end up sticking to just a rebuilt 2.0. considering the price difference is lets see, 3300-1650 = 1650, thats is a decent bit of money. hell i could spend the extra 1650 and get other needed stuff now rather than later on. but i dont know yet. ive been figuring out how much everything will cost. main part is how much it will cost to have the engine installed, which is not cheap. ill knwo more though in a couple weeks

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I think you will find that we do the best work on the engines. We developed the stroker for the 420A, and most of the hardcore engine parts for it. We take much care building our engines. SO keep us in mind.

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Well I have not totally decided on it yet. I may even just stick to getting a rebuilt 2.0 instead of the stroke (one, its way much cheaper) and i could spend that money on other parts. but i have not decided yet so im still thinking about it. however im pretty sure on the turbo part, unless i get the SC-34 or 44 instead of the 60, just not sure how much the spooling characteristics of them would be diff from each other

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I would run a stock 9.6 or a 10.

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well im not going to run higher than 9.0:1, mainly since im planning to run around 18-20 psi of boost daily. not much a fan of high compression and boost, but thats me

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If you read below, you'll gather that I am the one who Gary is referring to.

Let me set this straight. As far as finances are concerned, the arbitrator did decide in your favor, but what the hell does an arbitrator really know about engines???? Nothing. I'm sure he took a look at your "no warrenty expressed or implied" claus and just dismissed me. Let's get to the facts one more time.

You sent me an ugly nasty core block with paint covering up the massive layer of rust. All of the threaded holes were completely rusted out and at least required tapping. Some needed to be drilled out completely and tapped for a larger bolt. Unfortunately, I found this out the hard way on one of the first bolts that I went to thread in. One of my friends helping me out tried to thread a hardened bolt in slowly with an adjustable impact wrench. Well as we discovered, that wasn't a good idea because the bolt caused the lower portion of the bolt hole to break off. Now, mind you he was not reaming on the bolt with the impact gun at full power. He was slowly advancing the bolt in a little bit then backing it off again like you would with a tap (using a lubricant). You based your case on the fact that this is what caused every seal in the block to leak.

Let me ask you this. How is it possible for that to cause all of these oil leaks: 1. rear main seal 2. front main seal 3. oil pump case 4. soft aluminum plug in the oil galley between the tranny and the block 5. soft aluminum plug behind the crank pulley. My case in court was that you advertised a "plug and play" block. Well, a plug and play block wouldn't have the threaded holes all rusted out in the first place would it? Not to mention 5 seperate oil leaks that were in no way caused by what we did (although you were able to convince some idiot arbitrator that it did i guess). I purchased your motor strictly to save me on downtime because I was in college at the time. If I would have had the time to get my block machined and assemble it myself, I would have done it, but going with a pre-built block seemed much more convienient. If I would have know the end result, I most certainly would have built it myself.

That's not the worst part of it though. The worst part was your attitude about the situation. If you hadn't been so rude to me on the phone, I never would have resorted to arbitration. I couldn't believe the response I got considering I'd just purchased over $3000 worth of parts from you, received the engine 5 weeks late, and got a 4g63 clutch instead of the one I needed without giving you any complaints on my end. You completely dismissed me and offered me a $20 refund for almost 3 months without a car (I could have rebuilt my own much faster).

Anyway, I would have spared the details of this experience (and I did spare some of them), but you know I just couldn't let this one go. I find it amusing that you are convinced that you aren't at all at fault just because some random arbitrator guy seemed to agree with you (or find that it was the correct LEGAL decision). Don't get me wrong though, I still have respect for what you guys do over at Howell Automotive. I just wont buy from you again.

Matt
1995 Eclipse GS
2.0L, S16g Turbo, 8 Injectors, 26psi

1998 Eclipse GSX
2.3L Stroker, AEM EMS Converted to Speed Density, FP3065 Turbo, 35psi , and so on...

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Honestly, I'm not bitter anymore. I was just amused an I just couldn't leave it alone. The extra few times that I had to take the motor apart just made it all the easier taking it apart again later for fun. It wasn't ever about the money anyway, it was the principle of it that caused me to take it to arbitration.

The only part about this thread that I find questionable is that you are hijacking a thread regarding an engine sale with another vendor. What ever happened to professional courtasy? Tisk tisk...

Matt
1995 Eclipse GS
2.0L, S16g Turbo, 8 Injectors, 26psi

1998 Eclipse GSX
2.3L Stroker, AEM EMS Converted to Speed Density, FP3065 Turbo, 35psi , and so on...

no, actually i brought it up, and he responded to a post about his motor. I remember your posts from way back when all this started, and the story changed a few times. People respond to honesty better then being bs'd every time they turn around. I work very closely with Gary on alot of things, and I've seen where he makes a mistake, and he has no problem admitting a wrong doing and correcting it, but he's not a standard company where he lets himself get dicked over if he's not at fault.

97 Dodge Avenger
a670 reverse manual 3spd swap, 3400 stall, 2.2 stroker, zex setup, 8 fuel injector setup, t3/t4, turbonetics wastegate, and a slew of other mods to go fast BEST ET: TBD
03 srt-4
Stage 1, exhaust, TB, map clamp, wga and mbc. BEST ET: 12.935 @ 110

The story hasn't changed, but it is an old story. Anyway, no thread war pls . We could argue this one to the death, but that wouldn't be fun because we'd both be dead.

Matt
1995 Eclipse GS
2.0L, S16g Turbo, 8 Injectors, 26psi

1998 Eclipse GSX
2.3L Stroker, AEM EMS Converted to Speed Density, FP3065 Turbo, 35psi , and so on...

Originally posted by Matt_95tgs
The story hasn't changed, but it is an old story. Anyway, no thread war pls . We could argue this one to the death, but that wouldn't be fun because we'd both be dead.

97 Dodge Avenger
a670 reverse manual 3spd swap, 3400 stall, 2.2 stroker, zex setup, 8 fuel injector setup, t3/t4, turbonetics wastegate, and a slew of other mods to go fast BEST ET: TBD
03 srt-4
Stage 1, exhaust, TB, map clamp, wga and mbc. BEST ET: 12.935 @ 110

Would you settle for a nice slab of tube steak??

Matt
1995 Eclipse GS
2.0L, S16g Turbo, 8 Injectors, 26psi

1998 Eclipse GSX
2.3L Stroker, AEM EMS Converted to Speed Density, FP3065 Turbo, 35psi , and so on...

negatory, i'm all sold out, i gave out about 4 helpings smothered in underwear and mayo today so i'm spent

97 Dodge Avenger
a670 reverse manual 3spd swap, 3400 stall, 2.2 stroker, zex setup, 8 fuel injector setup, t3/t4, turbonetics wastegate, and a slew of other mods to go fast BEST ET: TBD
03 srt-4
Stage 1, exhaust, TB, map clamp, wga and mbc. BEST ET: 12.935 @ 110

Omg I'm gonna laugh out a lung. If I do laugh it out would you like that???

Matt
1995 Eclipse GS
2.0L, S16g Turbo, 8 Injectors, 26psi

1998 Eclipse GSX
2.3L Stroker, AEM EMS Converted to Speed Density, FP3065 Turbo, 35psi , and so on...

you realize, these blocks are built from cores, that yes, are inspected thoroughly before going into the rebuilding phase, but they are afterall old motors that have been in cars previously.

Case in point, my 2.2 stroker was built from a neon block, some of the bolt holes in my block had NEVER had a bolt in them yet, and yea I had to run a tap in 'em just to clean them up, but if I was putting a $3000 block in any car, I'm going to check and DOUBLE check every small thread on it just to make sure. It's calling knowing how to do things right.

You put a HARDENED bolt in the hole to clean up the threads, problem is they're not notched and don't have points the stress can release at like a tap does, so no wonder you cracked off the corner of your block. I know of about 12 other people personally running Howell blocks, and we've never ever ever had a problem with ours yet, maybe it was just an ID 10 T error here

97 Dodge Avenger
a670 reverse manual 3spd swap, 3400 stall, 2.2 stroker, zex setup, 8 fuel injector setup, t3/t4, turbonetics wastegate, and a slew of other mods to go fast BEST ET: TBD
03 srt-4
Stage 1, exhaust, TB, map clamp, wga and mbc. BEST ET: 12.935 @ 110

Matt
1995 Eclipse GS
2.0L, S16g Turbo, 8 Injectors, 26psi

1998 Eclipse GSX
2.3L Stroker, AEM EMS Converted to Speed Density, FP3065 Turbo, 35psi , and so on...

vtcomp needs to come in here and show ya hows its done
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yea, mistakes happen. I'm not 100% perfect. When i first put in the drag 3spd I didn't even pay attention to make sure I had the converter all the way onto the shaft and then had to pull it back out cuz i couldn't mount it to the flexplate. That's what working late at night does to you. A hardened bolt don't have flutes like a tap, so I'm sure u can see where that problem comes from.

And just so ya people know, we're not at each others throats, this happened so long ago we're actually just chillin talkin about it on aim

97 Dodge Avenger
a670 reverse manual 3spd swap, 3400 stall, 2.2 stroker, zex setup, 8 fuel injector setup, t3/t4, turbonetics wastegate, and a slew of other mods to go fast BEST ET: TBD
03 srt-4
Stage 1, exhaust, TB, map clamp, wga and mbc. BEST ET: 12.935 @ 110

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Originally posted by etx
Good luck man! Project 'STFU Brian your talon is dead meat' should be on it's feet soon!

Vt all the way don't bother with howell. Kinda looks funny when a company comes on here and wants to claw back and be rude. o called once gave me the run around on the credit card i was using never called back plus so many other places have cheaper pricese. Still vt/fty for anything plus matt is a good guy and a x michiganer.

Do not start this shit on my forum.

This is your warning.

Thank you.

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Matt
1995 Eclipse GS
2.0L, S16g Turbo, 8 Injectors, 26psi

1998 Eclipse GSX
2.3L Stroker, AEM EMS Converted to Speed Density, FP3065 Turbo, 35psi , and so on...

How about we let this die gentleman. I don't want to have to lock this thread.




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