I can't really decide.

I could just build up the plain old 2.0 block. It would be cheaper than the other 2, which would leave more money for my turbo, and other stuff.

2.2 from howell would be nice, but it's more expensive, which would leave less for other mods. is the extra .2 L worth it? what are the downsides with the 2.2 stroker?

2.4 requires all the custom work. i'm not exactly sure what the total cost would end up being, but I do know somebody who could help me with the fabrication needed. i just don't know if it's worth it.


right now, i am leaning a little towards the built 2L, just because i would have money to finish my custom turbo kit, and other things. problem is, i dont want to turn around in a couple years, and want to move up to a 2.2 or 2.4.

what do you guys think?

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-2006 Nissan Frontier NISMO
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just go 2.0 and make sure you dont go cheap on the internals; It'll rev higher anyway. use like JE pistons n' Crower or Pauter rods er something.

im in the SAME shoes. then i hear the fuckin ringing in my head


"no replacement for displacement"
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san clemente, ca

turbo8u> you suck
Uberingram> i know
turbo8u> oh

SaberKhan> Someone needs to snatch that GST of yours up and give you your Cavalier back.

2.0

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Who sez FF can't drift?

reasons? i have some, but i want to see if other people think of things that i havent thought of yet.

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2.2 wont redline as high i think but it *will* make the turbo spool way faster because of more exhaust pressure down low

2.0 is probly what im gunna end up doing though....it would be cool to have a 2,2 420a turbo though, thats pretty damn rare imo, i mean afterall....a turbo 420a is rare enough
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san clemente, ca

turbo8u> you suck
Uberingram> i know
turbo8u> oh

SaberKhan> Someone needs to snatch that GST of yours up and give you your Cavalier back.

2.0

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~Chris
03 SRT-4

2.0L reason... LOOK at HAHN
10 seconds and ALOT of stock parts.. valvetrain,etc..

1998 dodge avenger 4 cyl AT
Mods are:
Not enough

i thought the 2.4 would run to 7k rpms if you removed the balance shafts. maybe blueprint and all that. i'm sure you could get 7000 rpms outta dat biatch.

dont srt's get to 6300? or so?

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get the 2.4 and then when you want a 2.6 you dont have to fabricate everything

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i say 2.0

you wanna know why? CAUSE EVERYONE WHO HAS WENT HIGHER CANT GET IT TO RUN RIGHT!

I know of 2 people on here that have 2.2 and 2.4's.. they are about 60whp behind me and are having more problems then you could imagine.

james

I edited to the wiki!

one of the 2.4 true pionners

http://www.hadesomega.info -car specz and movies 95 Eclipse RS | 76' 280Z | 89' MR2 | 99 Neon | 91 Zephyr
Who sez FF can't drift?

Mototool - The other white meat!

"He might just be more badass than Dino." -DR1665

Why do you think people destroke engines that they want to become higher reving? Because the rod angle decreases and puts less stress on bearings and the crank. There's a very good thread in the advanced section that talks about rod angle, might want to give it a read. Engine builders have been playing games with bore and stroke ratios for years to get the power where they want it, and to get an engine to handle the stress in it.

Mototool - The other white meat!

"He might just be more badass than Dino." -DR1665

I'd stick to a 2.0. You know why? because the 2.0 is the most balanced motor ever made. Why do you think All out Drag Cars use 2.0. And take physics into account. if you have a bigger bore, your rev won't be as high as a smaller bore right? And it's true when individuals say, there's no replacement for displacement. That's not necessarily true! Slap a turbo and take out V8 all day and everyday! Now how'z that for displacement

When is the money spending going to stop on this fucking car?!

yeah, im definately leaning toards the 2.0. if for nothing else, the price is a big benefiet. all the replies to this thread have helped too, theres some good points. thanks for the help. any more ideas, keep on posting 'em.

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I'm going for the 2.4 turbo setup..because I want to be somewhat different

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2.2's don't exist. Do some math.

stock bore is 3.444, stroke is 3.268. That's 121.7ci, or 1.994 liters.

The most you could get away stroking the crank is .040". You cannot go more than that, because they don't make bearings smaller than that. That'd give you a 3.308" stroke. So, look at this:

If you bored that stroker .080" over, and that's pushing it, you'd have a 3.524" bore, and a 3.308" stroker. That makes 129ci, or 2.1139 liters. Not a 2.2. Who can bore these things .080" over?

If you bored them .100" over, which you probably can't do, then you'd have a 3.544" bore, and with a 3.308" stroke, you're looking at 130.5ci. That's 2.1385 liters. Not quite 2.2. not even 2.1 and a half

Mototool - The other white meat!

"He might just be more badass than Dino." -DR1665

FTY claims to bore theirs 0.040" over in addition to the change in stroke. I don't know the exact displacement out to 3 decimal places (I asked, but they haven't responded to my me).

Howell claims to have a 3.540" stroke. They don't say how much they bore it out, but I believe it is minimal at 0.020" or 0.040". I remember seeing notches ground out of the block to clear rod bolts. There were also welds on the crankshaft.

I'm sure both companies round up to get the 2.2l (I heard that the Howell was 2.15l or similar). I'd like to hear their exact displacements so I could determine whether its even worth the effort. I'm starting to lean toward just building a 2.0l myself.

Corbin

'95 ESI-T
HRC+FMIC+ETC...



Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

Mototool - The other white meat!

"He might just be more badass than Dino." -DR1665

glad to see some good info here, as for the bore sizes: the 420a has been bored many a time by blackdog motorsports ina NA motor to .0140-.0160(thousandths) over 160 and anything over problems with cylinder heating and thickness was a pretty big issue..

but a 140 the motors were still pretty solid..
(never heard of it done ona BOOSTED motor though)

Bill

You can have it cheap, fast or good. Pick any two.

If you want it cheap and fast, it's not going to be good.
If you want it cheap and good, it's not going to be fast.
If you want it good and fast, it's not going to be cheap.

I personnally like the results as seen from fellow board members that the extra .2L (rounded) displacement gives.

xtremeRS 2.0 @ 13psi = 230 HP, 245 Torque
95greenhrcqs 2.2 @ 14psi = 236 HP, 272 Torque

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Jason ESi-T

04' BMW 325Ci
91' Nissan 240SX
98' Eagle Talon ESi (sold)

I talked to the Blackdog guy about his bored engines and he was happy with them as a race engine. However, he said that he had alot of trouble keeping the head gasket intact and wouldn't recommend it for a boosted engine, let alone a daily driver.

FTY responded to my query about the exact displacement of their 2.2l. Its 2.1516 liters.

Corbin

'95 ESI-T
HRC+FMIC+ETC...



Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire