What are the best five mods other than I/H/E for the buck in your minds and how much approx hp do they net each?

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Personally I would put the energy suspension complete bushing kit in with a top 5 but if all your looking at is horspower id say

1. Forced Induction
2. Nitrous Oxiode
3. Less Weight i.e. disappearance of accessories
4. Stickers....lots and lots of stickers
5. a one huge ass wing

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In my opinion - don't waste money on headers - I here they aren't worth the money as a starter upgrade.

My top picks:
1. Underdrive pulley
2. Bigger Throttle Body (60MM!!)
3. Motor Mount Inserts
4. If your auto - final drive gears from stratus
5. If your stick - shorten the shifter and get a different shift kit (not sure what its called because I ain't a stick )

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intake/exhaust/UDP/bigger TB either 55,57,or 60mm/ported intake manifold for a good starter, all in all you'll spend about $1000 to bring a mid 16 second car to a mid 15 second car (wif good driver)

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i'd say the best mod in the $ to HP category would have to be
gutted cat--$0

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Motor Mount inserts
Symborski Shift kit and shortened shifter if M/T
AFX UDP
Ported Intake Manifold and TB
Turbo Kit

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Flame Red SRT-4 GT40,8.5:1 Built Shortblock, Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams, etc etc etc...

If you plan to stay all-motor, then:

1. Howell Automotive remapped ECU
2. Cams
3. Adjustable cam gears
4. Bigger throttle body
5. Underdrive pulley

This is assuming that you are ruling out a turbo kit or nitrous setup.

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turbo or the poor mans turbo... nitrous.

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nothing like driving with the windows down and the music low: i love hearing the turbo spool, swwwhhhttt!!!!

if your staying all motor than your best bang for the buck would be a built bottom end.

tell me if i'm wrong on this someone but, i remember talk about a change of .1 in piston compression is worth about 10% more HP. in that case going from 9.7-10.5 would result in over 100hp increase. than anything you do on top of that would have a greater affect, including turbo.

in general the best bang for the dollar mods are the most expensive ones. e.g. turbo kit, built bottom end, cams, howell ECU, oversized TB

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thanks beefgg for the sig

that doesn't seem right cause if you went from 9.6 to 12.5 that would put your engine at over 400hp. maybe 10% per 1.0 increase or something like that. so that would ad around 40 hp, it sounds more reasonable to me

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Motor Mount inserts
Symborski Shift kit and shortened shifter if M/T
AFX UDP
Ported Intake Manifold and TB (phelonic spacer helps too)
CAI, catback
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and the idea about .1 + in compression doesnot equal to 10% gain in hp.. i think it is 1 point in compression, like 9.6 --->10.6 would yeild 10% increase in hp...

03 srt-4 13.130@112.47mph (n2o, stock turbo, 10/2003)
now: 20g, portfueler, bpu+++ (track/dyno times tbd...)

i farted on your wiki

Well Im different then a lot of people cause I like big jumps in what mods to do but:
1: Custom Quad TB setup- ~$400??(considered intake or no?)
2:Top-End kit with fairly agressive cams-$1000
3:UDP-$150?
4:AFX ECU-what are those? 400
5:Engine Mounts of some kind-??

In my mind thats a big increase in power there, just remember you need a header and exhaust for this to be good though and maybe some slight head porting and polishing.

1 POINT COMPRESSION INCREASE IS = TO ABOUT 4% INCREASE IN OVERALL POWER.

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Flame Red SRT-4 GT40,8.5:1 Built Shortblock, Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams, etc etc etc...

>1 POINT COMPRESSION INCREASE IS = TO ABOUT 4% INCREASE IN
>OVERALL POWER.
>www.Fast420A.com

lol ooops. thanks

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thanks beefgg for the sig

I think you were thinking about displacement Amish eclipse -

that seems closer to the .1 increase->10 hp gain

work on the intake and head. p&p them both andmake sure runners are matched perfect extra 800 rpms for v8's dunno bout 4 bangers.. i heard with all bolt on available they claim factory dsm will make 240hp.. but i dunno i messed up my 2g non turbo on test drive and now im on a 96 gs-t spyder.....

>i heard with all bolt on available they
>claim factory dsm will make 240hp..

maybe with about 90-100 hp worth of stickers

1. AFX underdrive pulley
2. Aem adjustable cam gears
3. Ported+polished intake
4. Nitrious
5. Throttle Body 60mm

I have 1-3 and will be doing # 5 shortly... eventually over winter i will be doing the nitious also, but i wanted to build the engine first...

anyone ever thought of a drive-thru parts store? that would be cool!