ok, i've got a few questions for when i get my $. what are the benifits of ceramic coating? what all can you coat? and where do you get it done? also, is it safe to bore 0.040 over? i thought that our walls would heat up too much. has anyone talked to howell? i'm hoping that 3.0L will be built...god i hope so. anyways, whats all best for the top end while i'm posting? like which parts would you use if you had the money and wanted some SERIOUS power and reliability, possibly high revs. and i mean everything to be changed.

if you all read this, would you mind helping me out when i get the money if it's enough? i'm talking about Armond, Chris (Murix), Dino, and anyone else that are realllly knowledgeable about these things? thanks by the way

Matt
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can't help ya on most of it.. but in order to do higher rev's on the top end, the main thing you'll need is better valve springs to keep the valves from 'floating' at high rpms.

well, appreciate any input that may be helpful, so thanks . i guess what i'm looking for on that part is what type such as titanium or not, where to get them, maybe the price, everything like that. i'm trying to get prepared and get a price estimate for the engine. also another question for whoever knows.
what BIG turbo could i make fit? with a custom manifold of course. like one that makes a lot of hp, maybe a T76 or something. would that work?

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Actually, Breezio... the 2GNT valve springs don't float until at least 8500 RPM. What does fail, however, is the rocker arms. They will fail if the motor is revved to 7800 RPM or so on a regular basis. Other then that, the valvetrain isn't too bad.
Yes, ceramic coating helps. The inside of the combustion chamber can be ceramic coated, including the piston tops. This will increase power slightly by keeping the thermal properties of the combustion chamber in the combustion chamber. Also, the inside of the manifold can be ceramic coated. This reduces the heat under the hood due to radiant energy from the manifold. For lifters, I have some friends who swear by solid lifters. I would stick with hydraulic lifters, though, and upgrade to the newer 420a style. Same goes for the rocker arms. For valves, you can use a good oversized valve, such as Fererra. A hefty cam isn't a bad thing. Crane makes valve springs, but we don't seem to have any available retainers. No bother, as the stock retainers rev to 9500 on some of the race Neon motors. I don't know what is different between the neon and 2GNT retainers that makes them non-interchangable, but they supposedly are non-interchangable. That about covers top-end work. Yes, you can bore out your block .040, as .060 is the limit.
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I was just going off of general car knowledge.. not 420a specific. hehe.. my bad. I was gonna say rocker arms, springs, and valves. but with most vehicles it's the springs that are the main thing. not so for the 420a though, that's good.

The ockers and Lifters should be upgraded. PT Cruiser LIfter and Rockers (I'm also looking into Black Dog motorsports, they make an improved rockers form the PT ones) Which is suppose to help the lifters stay pumped up, which with my cams would be a good idea. Out of everything these are probably the weakest part of our valvetrain.

Actually Crower makes titanium retainers. You can but a set of valve springs and retainers direct from Crower for just over $250. I've talked to Brian Crower and Crane about them and done some reassearch of my own. The difference in the Neon and Eclipse valve springs and retainers in stock trim is nothing. Dealership even lists the same part numbers. The difference is install height Neon = 1.525" Eclipse = 1.496" The was Crane made their Neon retainers they didn't fit as well as they liked. They expect to have retainers released for us around the end of this year. Crower has sold sets of their design to both Neon and Eclipse with no problems.

.040" over is just fine more than .060" over, and you start to push the stregnth of the cylinder walls.

Ceramic coating. Love them, want them. You can coat:
Intake Manifold - keep your intake air cooler alowing more air to be pulled into teh motor.
Exhaust Parts - good idea to keep heat in exhaust lowering engine bay temps and keeping the heat in exhaust to help exhaust gas velocity stay up.
Pistons, valves and head combustion chamber - Helps prevent detonation, keeps the heat of combustion even so you don't get hot spots and warping. More efficient combustion.

You can coat others, like crank, rods, etc. It's all a game of heat management, keepo the heat where you want it and keep it away from where you don't.

Check out http:www.swaintech.com for some good coatings.

While you are building the head I would suggest cam gears to be able to tune in the future. I have personal doubts about only 3 bolts. Crane makes a 4 bolt, Unorthodox a 5, Fidanza 5 and Crower is working on them (they have used 4 bolts on others). Crower will have the timing mark right since I sent them the stock sprockets. Unorthodox should be right. AEM timing mark is slightly off. There was something about Fidanza's bolts not being strong enough but that's an easy fix.

Did that answer your questions? Or bring up more?

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To Be Installed: P&P Milled Head, Rear Disc Brakes, Rear KVR Cross Drilled Rotors & Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads, SS Brake Lines, AFX 55mm TB (re-installed once exhaust is done, intake was outflowing exhaust)

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lol, i smile everytime i see how much you guys know...i'm learning though.

k, The1Bill, i'll have to get different retainers cause i'm gonna see how much i can rev to . and this isn't happening just yet, i'm getting the knowledge first. hopefully my settlement won't be tooo much longer. probably a month to three at most...hopefully if we don't go to court.

Michael_97RS, would the PT cruiser lifters be the best i could get? i want to make sure that all the parts i get are able to take the abuse of high revs and really high hp. does boring the walls out a little more help it more or not? wouldn't it create a lil more hp or am i misinformed? thanks for the info on coating also. and yeah i was going to get the gears also, it's just a matter of making a parts list to see how much all of this is going to cost me and where to get them for when the time comes i'll be ready.

when they do the ceramic coating, could the coat one side and powserd ooat the other? i want it to look good also. and what clutch to do you guys think would be best? is there any other besides CM 4&5 that are strong and reliable? and with using the neon flywheel to make it non-modular, can you use a lightweight neon flywheel also?

again, thanks to all of you and anyone else that helps..or even tries for that matter. and any advice that can be offered would be appreciated. later

Matt
a.k.a. bustrblue1
R.I.P '95 Eclipse GS
intake, exhaust, push button starter, painted interior, custom short shifter, and one shiny car!
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also, any idea on the turbo? need something for major hp. i don't think a 25G would be big enough, how much hp can they make? would a turbo for a supra or something fit? and suggestions for the wastegate. or how much fuel i'd need..hehe. i know i'm asking alot of questions but i like a lot of input to be informed when i make decisions. maybe just use the 8 injector setup with the stock injectors and some 720cc or bigger...don't know

Matt
a.k.a. bustrblue1
R.I.P '95 Eclipse GS
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Yeah the best lifters out there are the ones from the PT Cruiser or the Mopar performance equivalant, same design. The only other option is a solid lifter, which I'm not realy sure I like...

Boring with give a slight increase in displacement, not a noticeable amount in our case. t insures the cylander bore is round and that the rings seat and seal the best they can. Of course the best way to do this is to use a torque and trans plate to simulate head and trans being mounted to the motor, but these are motor specific and hard to find for the 420A.

Ceramic coating sometimes can be done in colors, but watch out as some places only use a ceramic based paint which will help, but not as much as a true coating. The coatings on the internals... doesn't matter what color they are. Depending on the part some are interal or external coating depends on the purpose. Trying to paint over the coating could reduce the effectiveness of the heat barrier I would think. A lot of time the ceramic coating helps the look in my opinion.

Yes you can use a lightened flywheel for a Neon, trans and bottom end all bolt up the same so you'll be fine. If I remember right Unorthodox and Fidanza are the only ones who lightened flywheels.

Una salus victus.
He will triumph, who knows when to fight, and when not to fight. - Sun Tzu

Michael J. Kulaga
e-mail: Michael_97RS@2gntDSM.zzn.com aol IM: MJKulga
http://highlander.dsmpower.com/

All motor in the making.

Injen CAI, P&P Intake Manifold, Crower Stage 2 Cams, Hooker Header, GS-T Muffler, AFX UDP, S-AFC, 8.5mm Magnecor Wires, Crane Fireball HI-6DI2, FU/RU/RL STBs, TSW Blade 17x7.5, Bridgestone Potenza RE730, Front KVR Cross-Drilled Rotors & Carbon Fiber Pads

To Be Installed: P&P Milled Head, Rear Disc Brakes, Rear KVR Cross Drilled Rotors & Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads, SS Brake Lines, AFX 55mm TB (re-installed once exhaust is done, intake was outflowing exhaust)

Firefly:
Mal: You don't know me, son, so let me put this to you plainly: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake. You'll be facing me. And you'll be armed.

appreciate it, what i was talking about on the coatings was..for instance the head. ceramic coat the inside and powdercoat the outside. that could be done couldn't it? i guess it's not that important though. i liked super20g's engine since he got all of that powdercoating done and was thinking of a color scheme. man i can't wait...hope we don't go to court

Matt
a.k.a. bustrblue1
R.I.P '95 Eclipse GS
intake, exhaust, push button starter, painted interior, custom short shifter, and one shiny car!
http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/view_page.pl?page_id=230275
^ shows what happened to my baby

Yeah the coatings for the head are all internal, you want to poder coat the head go for it.

Una salus victus.
He will triumph, who knows when to fight, and when not to fight. - Sun Tzu

Michael J. Kulaga
e-mail: Michael_97RS@2gntDSM.zzn.com aol IM: MJKulga
http://highlander.dsmpower.com/

All motor in the making.

Injen CAI, P&P Intake Manifold, Crower Stage 2 Cams, Hooker Header, GS-T Muffler, AFX UDP, S-AFC, 8.5mm Magnecor Wires, Crane Fireball HI-6DI2, FU/RU/RL STBs, TSW Blade 17x7.5, Bridgestone Potenza RE730, Front KVR Cross-Drilled Rotors & Carbon Fiber Pads

To Be Installed: P&P Milled Head, Rear Disc Brakes, Rear KVR Cross Drilled Rotors & Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads, SS Brake Lines, AFX 55mm TB (re-installed once exhaust is done, intake was outflowing exhaust)

Firefly:
Mal: You don't know me, son, so let me put this to you plainly: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake. You'll be facing me. And you'll be armed.