I was just wondering...what is required to swap one of these engines into a NT Eclipse....im assuming Engine/tranny/ECU/axles...is there anything else? also, do the Jap Spec motors get crankwalk also? im trying to talk my friend into doing this...if its as easy as buying the motor and stuff and swapping it it, ill be pissed that i built my motor! thanks for any info.



NitrousEclipse97@aol.com
1997 Eclipse RS
JE Pistons
Crower Rods
75-shot Nitrous Express(wet)
AEM CAI
Greddy EVO Exhaust
NGK Plugs&Wires(one range colder)
Front/Rear Upper Strut bars
Eibach Pro-Kit springs
Tokico Struts
17" Konig Imagines
Yokohama A520's

1994 Eclipse GS-T
Greddy Boost Controller(15psi)
Greddy BOV
Autometer Boost and A/F gauges

1997 Silver RS
Built
T3/T4 BB Turbo
20psi
Most current 1/8th mile time: 8.1@93mph 2.015 60'
1996 Black Supra TT
2004 Silver Snake

There are a grip of people around here in So-cal doing it. There is no crankwalk.. it's a 1g engine. It entails the same procedure as swapping in any 4G63. Just need someone to fabricate the motor mounts. A little welding. Most people I've seen that have done it mount the engine forward a little to distribute the weight of the engine directly over the wheels for better fwd traction. There is someone I know that has swapped in a cyclone engine into his 1gNT eclipse and is smoking everyone at the street races. This guy is running 11's. Personally.. I think Cyclones kick ass.. but I'm having too much fun playing with my chrysler engine.

Honestly........ I don't think its worth it for you to do it. You will be running into a MAJOR transplant job, and in the end you will end up with a better tuned 4G63 motor. I think that it would be easier to get a 2G 4G63 covert it to a 1G block and head, keep the '95 pistons and slap on whatever goodies you wish.

Personally though, the Chrysler engine is much more attractive to me, as it is ALOT newer in design and is quite tough when built properly (and controlled properly i.e. fuel, ignition and boost all tuned in harmony!)

If I ever do pull out my 420A to swap it with another engine, it'll have to be a Skyline engine and nothing less! Tight fit, I know, but I also plan on transferring the 4WD system and the 4WD ECU. It's crazy, and i'll probably never do it, unless I just really want to be "different" (and can afford to be "different").

Guy
RS_Guy



http://www.GTuned.com

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What am i looking at in total cost of the engine and everything? there is a shop here that has done it before in a 2g turbo car, and they said it was 500 bucks labor, but what should all the parts cost? including maybe the motor mounts? thanks



NitrousEclipse97@aol.com
1997 Eclipse RS
JE Pistons
Crower Rods
75-shot Nitrous Express(wet)
AEM CAI
Greddy EVO Exhaust
NGK Plugs&Wires(one range colder)
Front/Rear Upper Strut bars
Eibach Pro-Kit springs
Tokico Struts
17" Konig Imagines
Yokohama A520's

1994 Eclipse GS-T
Greddy Boost Controller(15psi)
Greddy BOV
Autometer Boost and A/F gauges

1997 Silver RS
Built
T3/T4 BB Turbo
20psi
Most current 1/8th mile time: 8.1@93mph 2.015 60'
1996 Black Supra TT
2004 Silver Snake

Hmmm I think I might be interested as well. We need more info on the spec as well as the total price to get it done.

-K-

I was at Pann Auto sport today.. they were doing it for 2500 including parts and labor. Depends on how much they get the engine for and what the condition it's in. They are getting all these JDM engines somewhere at a yard in Las Vegas. Don't ask me why Japanese engines are sitting out in the Desert. But B16 SIR motors, silvia motors etc etc etc.. and once even an old as turbo Evolution motor was found there. Some guy in San Diego put it in his Mirage. Powerhouse Motorsports also says between 2 - 3k for parts and labor. Just like a turbo kit for the 420A but you are not going to blow these engines. Besides.. they are warranted by whoever drops them in. I believe Powerhouse motorsports has one sitting in their garage. Give them a call at (760) 737-7911. Tell them Rick from //935DRAGGERS sent you. I was about to buy one from them for 1200.00 awhile back. But like I said.. I'm having too much fun with my Chrysler. Maybe later I will get the Cyclone and adapt the turbosystem components I have in my 420A to it. All I will need is the manifold and custom piping. Just like magic huh fellaz?

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So it can be done? Where can i get more info?

heh know what would be cool. A triple rotor engine from the Mazda Cosmo and mate it with a rear biased AWD system. Hoho that would be awesome but quite impossible, that's like major engineering work. I'm fascinated at Rotary Engines, I wish Mazda would have them on all their cars, so powerful yet so light. I think Chevy (I hope I'm wrong and it's Chrysler) has the rights to build cars with rotary engines and resurrect them. I have this one ASF movie of a AE86 (86 Toyota Corrola) with a tri rotor engine and it's like 800 horsies. They showed another 86 tailing the tri rotor 86 and that thing smoked the hell outta those guys! If ne1 wants to see the movie reply and I'll go ahead and upload it to my FTP.


95 Mitsu Eclipse RS
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http://www.hadesomega.info -car specz and movies 95 Eclipse RS | 76' 280Z | 89' MR2 | 99 Neon | 91 Zephyr
Who sez FF can't drift?

yeah! let's get a URL for that movie!

Chris Dishmon
coming soon:
Iceman CAI(being shipped, where is it DSM1???)
Aerogear Fiberglass hood(finally on!!)
chrisdishmon@hotmail.com
http://klipzracer.homestead.com/index.html

...like crazy. You could expect to top it off every 3500 miles of "spirited" driving. They are impressive but I would prefer a 2 stroke piston layout. Still a twin stroke piston engine won't deliver the performance of any rotary it will save you in gas and oil. The problem is about 99% of automobile engines are 4 stroke which is why the rotary stands out SO much. Now because the Rotary performs like a 2 stroke their 1.3L TT engine (late model 13B) is very similar to the 2.6L TT 4 cylinder. 1 rotor equals about 2 pistons

Skrilla
'97 Base Talon NA
"Technology: The Only Replacement for Displacement"
"Peace and Turbo Grease"

*Skrilla
"Honest officer, I thought you were trying to race me"
Talon: 1st 2.4L
'97 Prelude
'04 350Z

Originally posted by etx
Good luck man! Project 'STFU Brian your talon is dead meat' should be on it's feet soon!

Hey Nitrous............do you know how much HP are you making with your built engine? Just curious.

David
-NGK plugs and wires
-AEM CAI
more on the way....

Dave "The Bald Bull"
97 RS Member of the infamous Barcelona Red Crew

"Free people will never remain free, if they are not willing, if need be, to fight for their vital interests"

"It is better to have died in the ranks of the vanquished warriors th

Whats the main difference between the Evo motor and the GS-T motor????

Raizin...do you have any idea what the price is for an Evo motor plus install???



Ball Bearing Star Stage II
"Power is nothing without control"

I use to have a White 99 GS Sport with a Star Stage II Ball Bearing T3/T4 turbo...it was fun untill....well those who remember me know Oh Ya...this is what I have now... a 99' GSX...

Well, the built motor didnt add any horsepower...just got me ready for turbo later this summer.. with the 75-shot(and NX rating their shots at the wheels) with all my other mods i should be in the neighborhood of 200-210 hp...thats JUST a guess though.



NitrousEclipse97@aol.com
1997 Eclipse RS
JE Pistons
Crower Rods
75-shot Nitrous Express(wet)
AEM CAI
Greddy EVO Exhaust
NGK Plugs&Wires(one range colder)
Front/Rear Upper Strut bars
Eibach Pro-Kit springs
Tokico Struts
17" Konig Imagines
Yokohama A520's

1994 Eclipse GS-T
Greddy Boost Controller(15psi)
Greddy BOV
Autometer Boost and A/F gauges

1997 Silver RS
Built
T3/T4 BB Turbo
20psi
Most current 1/8th mile time: 8.1@93mph 2.015 60'
1996 Black Supra TT
2004 Silver Snake

The difference is BIG. The Evo engine sits the same way as us and 180* opposite the GS-T, with their timing belts on the passenger side .They use a twin scroll titanium "big" 16G turbo. In off boosts conditions there is a metallic air hose running across the front of the cylinder head to maintain pressure for the moment you stab the throttle at low revs in high gear. This makes lag almost non-existant in the Evo's

Skrilla
'97 Base Talon NA
"Technology: The Only Replacement for Displacement"
"Peace and Turbo Grease"

*Skrilla
"Honest officer, I thought you were trying to race me"
Talon: 1st 2.4L
'97 Prelude
'04 350Z

Originally posted by etx
Good luck man! Project 'STFU Brian your talon is dead meat' should be on it's feet soon!

Does any one know were I could get an EVO motor, and how much it would cost installed??? ANYONE?????



Ball Bearing Star Stage II
"Power is nothing without control"

I use to have a White 99 GS Sport with a Star Stage II Ball Bearing T3/T4 turbo...it was fun untill....well those who remember me know Oh Ya...this is what I have now... a 99' GSX...

http://www.roadraceengineering.com.

Something like 4500-6500. They ususally get the engine perfect and fully intact from Rally wrecks. They cut in 1/2 the front of the EVO and pull the motor when time permits.

Time is something RRE should invest stock into (they are sarting to piss me off).

Skrilla
'97 Base Talon NA
"Technology: The Only Replacement for Displacement"
"Peace and Turbo Grease"

*Skrilla
"Honest officer, I thought you were trying to race me"
Talon: 1st 2.4L
'97 Prelude
'04 350Z

Originally posted by etx
Good luck man! Project 'STFU Brian your talon is dead meat' should be on it's feet soon!

Just to straighten things out.. the Cyclone engine and the Evolution engine are two totally different engines. Well, they both are 4G63 but like Skrill said.. the intake is on the opposite side. The Cyclone is simply a 1g 4G63 without all the emissions control that is required for US specs. So I would guess it has more air flow, less restrictions etc etc. The US version of the 1G 4G63 is rated at 190HP from the factory. The Cyclone is rated at 220Hp stock. If you pay attention to the 4G63 heads.. you will notice that they are all after "Cyclone intake maifold," "cyclone heads" etc etc. If you haven't noticed.. all the racers are having a JDM craze. And it's obvious why. If you are really interested in a Cyclone motor.. I can definately hook you up with the resources to obtain one quicklike. I've been quoted 1200.00 without the tranny, ECU, and wiring harness. Those you can pull out of a 1GT and (I was told) are completely compatible. //935OUTRO

hey i am interested in the cyclone engine, let me know how to get in touch with you or something si I can purchase the engine. I have a question though, I have a 2gnt gs-t, if i do the swap to the cyclone, can I addapt my turbo the the cy clone? if yes, how many hp will it give? Im in san diego and if you wanna contact me, my # is 619-556-1954, ask for MORALES.

thanx man

DANIEL

I miss you mom, you are always with me RIP...

I don't want the cyclone engine, I want the Evo engine cause it sits the same way as our engines. Well, and cause it's rated at 280hp!!! If anyone could find the price of this with the trany and everything installed I would really appreciate it!! Thanks



Ball Bearing Star Stage II
"Power is nothing without control"

I use to have a White 99 GS Sport with a Star Stage II Ball Bearing T3/T4 turbo...it was fun untill....well those who remember me know Oh Ya...this is what I have now... a 99' GSX...

Morales.. cool talkin to you. Just make sure you give Joe a call quick because I think he has on there at the shop.

Matter of fact.. there's a Cyclone engine for sale on thepartstrader.com for 1200.00 right now.

Dr.B...you have a 2gnt GST? you do know "2gnt" stands for "2g non-turbo" right? is your car a GST or a 2gnt rs/gs? this makes all teh difference in the world as far as the swap is concerned

http://www.geocities.com/blue2gnt

1995 Eclipse GS - HRC Stage 2 - Retired.
2004 350z Enthusiast / 2008 Nissan Versa SL

would there be much fabrication needed to get this engine ready for a bigger more powerfull turbo??

would it accept us turbo kits, or should you get a jap turbo kit?? is there a difference between the 2??

what would be a good price for install??

It's true. All you need is to fabricate some engine and tranny mounts in the same location that the gst and gsx engines sit in there engine bay... Then you can use all the stuff like, harness, ecu, shift linkage, and driveshafts from the turbo cars and swap them to ours. but make sure you grab a gs-t tranny if you can find one.. Personally, for the price of that swap you could build the 420 motor and make serious power, and our tranny can handle more power anyways!!.
So why bother?. To be different..lol. or broke? and Yes, I just realized how old this post was, just now, but i am posting this anyways.