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740 turbo brick	Feb-17-12 04:38 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136046, "New engine Build"

Well thanks to Fotown I finally got my hands on some 10.5:1 pistons.

Ended up going .020 over to give my machinist some room to work with the spare block I gave him. These were the last of what I needed to build a bottom end. Monday Im taking these to the shop so Carl can bore my block out. Hopefully more pics/progress to come.

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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RE: New engine Build, Slo2g, Feb-17-12 10:22 PM, #1

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RE: New engine Build, 740 turbo brick, Feb-19-12 11:49 AM, #3

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RE: DP, JoshDSM, Feb-23-12 08:47 AM, #8

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RE: DP, SilvrEclips, Mar-17-12 06:42 AM, #13

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Slo2g	Feb-17-12 10:22 PM
Member since Feb 10th 2006 1074 posts,

#136050, "RE: New engine Build"
In response to Reply # 0

Nice! +1 for another higher than stock comp build!

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bullettdsm	Feb-19-12 05:32 AM
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#136054, "RE: New engine Build"
In response to Reply # 1

Is it monday yet? emoji

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

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740 turbo brick	Feb-19-12 11:49 AM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136056, "RE: New engine Build"
In response to Reply # 2

I know right! Its killing me. While my block is getting worked on Im going to start the time consuming task of unhooking all my MS wires and ready the motor for transplant.

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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740 turbo brick	Feb-22-12 03:09 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136087, "RE: New engine Build"
In response to Reply # 3

Well heres the progress so far. I must say, Im about to pass out from all the excitement. All Im waiting on is rod bearings, gaskets, and me to get my motor out of the car.

On that note, is there anything I should know about assembling a 420A lower end that I might miss? I know I need some anerobic sealant for the bedplate, any special kind at that?

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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740 turbo brick	Feb-22-12 03:13 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136088, "DP"
In response to Reply # 3
Feb-22-12 03:14 PM by 740 turbo brick

double post

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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1slw97	Feb-22-12 04:44 PM
Member since Aug 13th 2008 129 posts,

#136089, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 5

Mopar Bed Plate Sealer. anaerobic sealer part # 04773257. Don't forget that stupid O ring that goes in the bed plate also.

97 Eclipse GS, 2.2 stroker,Gt35R,MSNS,E85 @20psi. 450hp 370tq..With issues

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bullettdsm	Feb-22-12 04:47 PM
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#136090, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 5

If you got the mains, then get that crank in there! Then you can do crankseal (you can actually do that when you do bedplate) and oil pump and other stuff. I use Permatex anerobic (just because of access).

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

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JoshDSM	Feb-23-12 08:47 AM
Member since Aug 29th 2010 69 posts,

#136092, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 7

Im not sure if I have anaerobic gasket maker on my bed plate, when I was installing the motor it was black(Not sure what the shop used) But good build Colby I cant wait till its done!

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dalesmitsu	Feb-23-12 05:03 PM
Member since May 13th 2006 986 posts,

#136096, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 8
Feb-23-12 05:05 PM by dalesmitsu

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rebuild-Dodge-Neon-Plymouth-Mitsubishi-2-0-2-4-420A-Engine-Video-DVD-/380413734773?pt=Motors_Manuals_Literature&vxp=mtr&hash=item58926cef75

I think this would help you or others. In case you forgot anything during the rebuild. Seller has good rating and fast ship. Bought one last month, received it three days later, even though it said like 5-10day delivery. He used that sealer bullet mentioned. In the video, he tears down an stock rebuild of a 1997 sohc neon engine but similar to the dohc.

Does it cost 40 to 50 to have a head milled/deck an valve job, from a machine shop.

Nice, block are you sure you really want to get that dirty.

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1995 gs Saved from the crusher
1998 RS gone to(Dsm Heaven)
1997 gs gone to Dsm heaven

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740 turbo brick	Feb-23-12 07:47 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136098, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 9

My head work was like $60. And I thought the same thing, this is too nice to work on now lol.

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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740 turbo brick	Mar-16-12 08:54 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136249, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 10

Well, managed to peel myself away from the tv long enough to do some work on my motor.

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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bullettdsm	Mar-17-12 04:19 AM
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#136255, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 11

So you spent 15 minutes away from the TV? Damn separation anxiety

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

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SilvrEclips	Mar-17-12 06:42 AM
Member since Nov 27th 2007 534 posts,

#136256, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 12

Looks good so far. Did you plastigage the bearings to check clearances?

98 Eclipse GS Turbo
Built motor - MS2 - Holset hy35 - Zoom Stg 4 Clutch - 57.5mm TB - ARP Headstuds - Turbonetics wastegate - 3" Turbo back - FMIC - Greddy RZ BOV - Walbro 255 - 650cc Injectors - Fidanza Flywheel - Cobra calipers w/ 13" Rotors - Oil Cooler - DevilsOwn meth injection

1981 Chevy Scottsdale
1987 Nissan 300zx - Chump Car
2001 BMW 325i

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740 turbo brick	Mar-17-12 10:39 AM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136258, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 13
Mar-17-12 10:41 AM by 740 turbo brick

Originally posted by SilvrEclips
Looks good so far. Did you plastigage the bearings to check clearances?

Yeah, I ended up with .0015 for all the main bearings using green plastigage. Rebuilid in wiki says between .001-.0023 is good so Im happy.

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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740 turbo brick	Mar-17-12 10:24 AM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136257, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 12

Originally posted by bullettdsm
So you spent 15 minutes away from the TV? Damn separation anxiety

It was like 4 hours lol. First motor build and first time using plastigage!

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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bullettdsm	Mar-17-12 03:43 PM
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#136259, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 15

Originally posted by 740 turbo brick

Originally posted by bullettdsm So you spent 15 minutes away from the TV? Damn separation anxiety

It was like 4 hours lol. First motor build and first time using plastigage!

Heh heh, you know I'm only bustin' balls. Like I always say, it takes as long as it takes for stuff like this. Taking your time is WAY more important than trying to match somebody's quoted fastest time.

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

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740 turbo brick	Mar-17-12 05:42 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136260, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 16

Todays progress

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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rst_eclipse	Mar-19-12 07:04 AM
Member since Feb 06th 2012 27 posts,

#136268, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 17

What brand torque wrench are you using??

Also how much did the block work cost??

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TurbchargdSpydr	Mar-19-12 08:03 AM
Member since Jul 25th 2010 159 posts,

#136269, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 17

Good job bro looks good so far..don't forget to remove the extra anaerobic sealant that oozed out emoji

Last of a dying breed...

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740 turbo brick	Mar-19-12 02:18 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136276, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 19

It was a harbor freight torque wrench, but its better than guessing. Also to bring in a stripped block, blasted, cleaned, bored, honed, rings ground, pistons mounted to rods, crank polished, it was about $300.

And thanks for the heads up, yesterday I wiped all that off and painted it black with a few coats of engine enamel. Looks pretty nice now. About to try to mount my oil pump and pull my motor out of the car.

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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740 turbo brick	Mar-19-12 08:36 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136288, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 20

Got my block painted, Im happy with it, came out pretty nice. Oil pump installed, and progress on the motor pull.

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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740 turbo brick	Mar-21-12 08:32 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136295, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 21

Finally got the bastard out, taking the head to get checked at the machine shop and then the assembly continues.

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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PsychO	Mar-26-12 03:32 PM
Member since Jun 10th 2004 166 posts,

#136335, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 22

Woah, woah, woah....where'd you get that header? It looks pretty nice. Is it OTS or custom made? I'd like to get one for my 2.4 if there is enough oil pan clearance.

Btw, love the motor build. Can't wait for you to fire her up.

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740 turbo brick	Mar-26-12 08:10 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136336, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 23

That, my good sir, is an OBX header believe it or not. Its a direct copy of Greddys 420A header. I love the design, alot better than some of the ebay 4-2-1s out there. Its as close as Ive seen to an LTH.

Pics! Almost break in time!

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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740 turbo brick	Mar-28-12 08:06 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136340, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 24

So Close!

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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megaskillz	Mar-29-12 01:33 PM
Member since Oct 12th 2008 105 posts,

#136341, "RE: DP"
In response to Reply # 25

Take your time buddy. Looking good.

98 GS manual - ATMT completed
91 Hyundai Excel- 4g63t swap pending
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2553845/1998-mitsubishi-eclipse

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740 turbo brick	Mar-30-12 08:18 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136345, "Engine Build"
In response to Reply # 26
Mar-30-12 08:19 PM by 740 turbo brick

Got it started up, took a quick vid of the 2nd time it was started. At first I was getting worried, it took a min for oil pressure to build up. Solid 75-80 psi when first started though. Not particularly happy with how its idleing again, but Ill post a video of that if I cant get it tuned out.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/OrsVM2IJec8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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bullettdsm	Mar-31-12 01:57 AM
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#136348, "RE: Engine Build"
In response to Reply # 27

Nice. The fun begins........

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

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740 turbo brick	Mar-31-12 08:14 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136359, "RE: Engine Build"
In response to Reply # 28

Well after driving around for a few miles Ive found out I have the same problem I did before the rebuild. Good compression in every cylinder except #3, which had 70 psi. Im thinking either theres something wrong with my cams or the head itself. I noticed when I first started it, it had that healthy starter pulsating sound. Now its back to actually being able to hear a weak cylinder as it cranks. On top of that, I cant get the thing to idle right. It will oscillate no matter what I do. Im getting very close to just selling every car and part I own and buy a bike.

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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Slo2g	Apr-02-12 12:08 PM
Member since Feb 10th 2006 1074 posts,

#136372, "RE: Engine Build"
In response to Reply # 29

Do a leak down test. That will tell you where your issue is.

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fast420a83	Apr-17-12 07:45 PM
Member since Mar 18th 2012 86 posts,

#136476, "RE: Engine Build"
In response to Reply # 29

Did you find out the problem?

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740 turbo brick	Apr-18-12 02:07 PM
Member since Jun 09th 2008 831 posts,

#136488, "RE: Engine Build"
In response to Reply # 31

Originally posted by fast420a83
Did you find out the problem?

Not entirely sure what the cause was, but after i took the head off my machinist and I decided to take a few thousanths off the valve stems of cylinder 3. It worked so..... *shrug*

95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

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