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armyguy1027Jan-19-12 08:25 AM
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#135834, "95 fuel rail on 99 gs"


          

Hi i been using these forums for quite a while now and have searched about every combination i can think of for an anwser to this.
I bought a 99 GS with the 420A engine about two years ago and lately have been doing some upgrading and modding to it. After a little research I am starting to belive i have a 95 engine dropped in my 99 car. The fuel rail on my engine looks to be the 95 with the fpr on the rail and I also have a fpr back by the filter. The return is blocked off on the rail and i have been looking to see if it hooks up anywhere. After doing some searching i know now the car was originally on the returnless system. My qestion is can i just unpug the vacum on the fpr on the rail and use the one by the filter or is there an issue with running two at the same time?

  

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RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Jan-19-12 09:13 AM, #1
RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, 420agreenvilleSC, Jan-19-12 09:18 AM, #2
      RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, armyguy1027, Jan-19-12 09:23 AM, #3
           RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Jan-19-12 09:28 AM, #4
                RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, armyguy1027, Jan-19-12 10:15 AM, #5
                     RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Jan-19-12 10:40 AM, #6
                          RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, Moderatorbullettdsm, Jan-19-12 01:02 PM, #7
                               RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, AdministratorCODE4, Jan-19-12 03:01 PM, #8
                                    RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, 420agreenvilleSC, Jan-20-12 08:56 AM, #9
                                         RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, Dstach, Jan-20-12 10:22 AM, #10
                                              RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, Moderatorbullettdsm, Jan-20-12 11:56 AM, #11
                                              RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, 420agreenvilleSC, Jan-20-12 12:03 PM, #12
                                              RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, Dstach, Jan-20-12 12:11 PM, #13
                                                   RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, Moderatorbullettdsm, Jan-20-12 02:57 PM, #14
                                                        RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, dalesmitsu, Jan-20-12 06:11 PM, #15
                                                        RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Jan-20-12 06:23 PM, #16
                                                             RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, dalesmitsu, Jan-20-12 07:33 PM, #17
                                                                  RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Jan-20-12 08:20 PM, #19
                                                                       RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, Moderatorbullettdsm, Jan-21-12 03:40 AM, #20
                                                        RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs, Dstach, Jan-20-12 08:09 PM, #18

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#135835, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Originally posted by armyguy1027
Hi i been using these forums for quite a while now and have searched about every combination i can think of for an anwser to this. I bought a 99 GS with the 420A engine about two years ago and lately have been doing some upgrading and modding to it. After a little research I am starting to belive i have a 95 engine dropped in my 99 car. The fuel rail on my engine looks to be the 95 with the fpr on the rail and I also have a fpr back by the filter. The return is blocked off on the rail and i have been looking to see if it hooks up anywhere. After doing some searching i know now the car was originally on the returnless system. My qestion is can i just unpug the vacum on the fpr on the rail and use the one by the filter or is there an issue with running two at the same time?


If the return on the rail is sealed, the regulator on the rail isn't doing anything. There is no reason to connect it to vacuum.

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#135836, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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yup, and if there's a FPR in the rear near the tank, then the rail FPR is not being used

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#135837, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Thanks fellas i appreciate it. I was pretty sure that was the case. both are hooked up up the moment but I am just going to cap off the one on the rail then. This thing has been something else while working on it.Im almost positive someone put a 95 engine in my 99.

  

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#135838, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Originally posted by armyguy1027
.Im almost positive someone put a 95 engine in my 99.


The differences between the two are minor and largely superficial. if they would have swapped the rails, you probably wouldn't have ever known.

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#135839, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Yeah, I knew there wasnt really any major differences other then the fuel/evap stuff and some sensors and what not. It just threw me off when I saw the plugged return and coudn't find where it went. I recently registered on this website and so far have found alot of useful stuff while working on my car lately. I have been browsing the forums for along time now unregistered though. I love 2gnt for all the infomation I have found. I figure if im going to do a build on this car i might as well get the advice from others who have done it as well. Thanks again for the quick replies.

  

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#135840, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Originally posted by armyguy1027
Thanks again for the quick replies.


No problem. Welcome to 2GNT

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#135841, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Do yourself a favor and hop into the wiki section on here. Spend some time getting acclimated to it. You will find yourself using it more and more as you get more familiar with what's in it.

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#135842, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Originally posted by bullettdsm
You will find yourself using it more and more as you get more familiar with what's in it.


Yep, like referencing the PITA scale anytime you consider having a discussion with Barza...

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#135848, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Originally posted by CODE4
Yep, like referencing the PITA scale anytime you consider having a discussion with Barza...


lmfao

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#135849, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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I have a 99 and someone did the same thing, a sure way to tell is the main bearings. A 95 has the tangs one the same side when lines up and 96-99 are on opposites. Check before a rebuild. It will save a lot of time and frustration. TRUST ME!

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#135850, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Originally posted by Dstach
I have a 99 and someone did the same thing, a sure way to tell is the main bearings. A 95 has the tangs one the same side when lines up and 96-99 are on opposites. Check before a rebuild. It will save a lot of time and frustration. TRUST ME!

Sooo, you want him to pull his engine, tear it down to pull off the bedplate, then check to see the tangs, so he can verify if the engine (that is already installed and running fine) is a 95? Well, I guess that's one way to do it........

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96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
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#135851, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Originally posted by bullettdsm
Originally posted by Dstach I have a 99 and someone did the same thing, a sure way to tell is the main bearings. A 95 has the tangs one the same side when lines up and 96-99 are on opposites. Check before a rebuild. It will save a lot of time and frustration. TRUST ME!
Sooo, you want him to pull his engine, tear it down to pull off the bedplate, then check to see the tangs, so he can verify if the engine (that is already installed and running fine) is a 95? Well, I guess that's one way to do it........


cut the front clip off the car first - it helps get a 360 working space around the engine bay, then re-weld back on

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#135852, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Originally posted by Dstach
Check before a rebuild.


I'm guessing you skimmed and didn't read that part?

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#135853, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Jan-20-12 02:58 PM by bullettdsm

          

Originally posted by Dstach
Originally posted by Dstach Check before a rebuild.
I'm guessing you skimmed and didn't read that part?

No, I read that part. I just didn't see how that connected up to the problem the OP had. He needed to identify it with the engine already in and running. Seems like you wanted him to rebuild it so he could identify......

Of coursssssse, if we really want to get technicalllllll, we could say that he may NOT actually have a 95 engine in there. He may just have the rail out of a 95 and the engine could be from a 96-99. Or the engine could even have been pulled out of a 95 but not have been a 95 engine. It could have been pulled from another car (say a 98) and put into the donor 95 car. Then it could have been pulled from that car and put into his car

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96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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#135854, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Originally posted by bullettdsm
Originally posted by Dstach
Originally posted by Dstach Check before a rebuild.
I'm guessing you skimmed and didn't read that part?
No, I read that part. I just didn't see how that connected up to the problem the OP had. He needed to identify it with the engine already in and running. Seems like you wanted him to rebuild it so he could identify...... Of coursssssse, if we really want to get technicalllllll, we could say that he may NOT actually have a 95 engine in there. He may just have the rail out of a 95 and the engine could be from a 96-99. Or the engine could even have been pulled out of a 95 but not have been a 95 engine. It could have been pulled from another car (say a 98) and put into the donor 95 car. Then it could have been pulled from that car and put into his car Oh the pastabilities......


How about counting the pin connector to the ECU. Compare it to car with 96 to 99 420a engine. Would this be another way of detereming what engine is the car. Could also help those roaming in the junkyard looking for a long block? If so, OP unplug your ecu an take a picture of the pin connector and post it up.

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#135856, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Originally posted by dalesmitsu
Originally posted by bullettdsm
Originally posted by Dstach
Originally posted by Dstach Check before a rebuild.
I'm guessing you skimmed and didn't read that part?
No, I read that part. I just didn't see how that connected up to the problem the OP had. He needed to identify it with the engine already in and running. Seems like you wanted him to rebuild it so he could identify...... Of coursssssse, if we really want to get technicalllllll, we could say that he may NOT actually have a 95 engine in there. He may just have the rail out of a 95 and the engine could be from a 96-99. Or the engine could even have been pulled out of a 95 but not have been a 95 engine. It could have been pulled from another car (say a 98) and put into the donor 95 car. Then it could have been pulled from that car and put into his car Oh the pastabilities......
How about counting the pin connector to the ECU. Compare it to car with 96 to 99 420a engine. Would this be another way of detereming what engine is the car. Could also help those roaming in the junkyard looking for a long block? If so, OP unplug your ecu an take a picture of the pin connector and post it up.


Why would he have anything other than a 99 ecu in it, Dale?

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#135857, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Jan-20-12 07:35 PM by dalesmitsu



          

Originally posted by DarkOne
Originally posted by dalesmitsu
Originally posted by bullettdsm
Originally posted by Dstach
Originally posted by Dstach Check before a rebuild.
I'm guessing you skimmed and didn't read that part?
No, I read that part. I just didn't see how that connected up to the problem the OP had. He needed to identify it with the engine already in and running. Seems like you wanted him to rebuild it so he could identify...... Of coursssssse, if we really want to get technicalllllll, we could say that he may NOT actually have a 95 engine in there. He may just have the rail out of a 95 and the engine could be from a 96-99. Or the engine could even have been pulled out of a 95 but not have been a 95 engine. It could have been pulled from another car (say a 98) and put into the donor 95 car. Then it could have been pulled from that car and put into his car Oh the pastabilities......
How about counting the pin connector to the ECU. Compare it to car with 96 to 99 420a engine. Would this be another way of detereming what engine is the car. Could also help those roaming in the junkyard looking for a long block? If so, OP unplug your ecu an take a picture of the pin connector and post it up.
Why would he have anything other than a 99 ecu in it, Dale?


Well, from what I have read 1995 2ga ecu's tend to go out.
1995 ecu is two piece (smaller)as with 1996-1999 ecu is one piece.
1995 fpr is on the fuel rail /fuel filter is also in the engine bay as with 1996-1999 fpr/fuel filter is near the tank rear passenger side.
pulsed secondary air injection
ecu are interchangeable but the 1995 had a recall for pulsed secondary air injection for removal and was removed in 1996 to 1999 models if it wasnt changed then you have a 2gb 1996 to 1999 rs/gs/esi ecu running a 1995 wiring harnass.
ecu that the 95 and 96 had the same interchange number and I am running a 96 ecu right now in my 95. I would think that the only difference is the programing for the pulsed secondary air injection/ the 95's were recalled for removal and was removed in 96 models. If you haven't changed it then you have a 96 ecu with a 95 wiring harness.

1995 should have two obd1 and obd2 ports like in picture in the link.

http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=5&topic_id=122020&mesg_id=122044&page=

I made some use of the search.

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#135859, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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He has a 99. With a 99 wiring harness. And a 99 ecu.
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#135860, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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.....and this is what happens when a good joke goes bad .......well at least I thought it was a good joke.

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96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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#135858, "RE: 95 fuel rail on 99 gs"
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Originally posted by bullettdsm
Originally posted by Dstach
Originally posted by Dstach Check before a rebuild.
I'm guessing you skimmed and didn't read that part?
No, I read that part. I just didn't see how that connected up to the problem the OP had. He needed to identify it with the engine already in and running. Seems like you wanted him to rebuild it so he could identify...... Of coursssssse, if we really want to get technicalllllll, we could say that he may NOT actually have a 95 engine in there. He may just have the rail out of a 95 and the engine could be from a 96-99. Or the engine could even have been pulled out of a 95 but not have been a 95 engine. It could have been pulled from another car (say a 98) and put into the donor 95 car. Then it could have been pulled from that car and put into his car Oh the pastabilities......


Just telling him for if he does rebuild it to check the bedplate because those bearing are different. Of course it could be any possibility but if he ever does a rebuild he knows now to check before ordering bearings. There could be a GT3 motor in it if he really wanted to. Oh the pastabilities......

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