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CyexmasterMar-05-11 05:08 AM
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#133299, "Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"




          



Well as if there was a list of small problems to fill and to make me go mad. My car has yet found another thing to get my nerves going...

I was going to change a tire friday and got out of college and all good went to the tire shop, changed the tire and when I get in the car....

The damn thing wont start! no nothing I turn the key and not even that tired starter noise when you have low battery it just does nothing. Checked the batt and it's good, starter didnt have any problems before and doesnt make any sound at all when starting. Could you guys at least point me in a direction of where to start and follow cause this is getting on my nerves..... not to mention de P/S belt poping of every time I make a light pull....

Status- Need to do break-in...



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RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, AdministratorCODE4, Mar-05-11 05:20 AM, #1
RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, 740 turbo brick, Mar-05-11 09:49 AM, #2
      RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, Moderatorbullettdsm, Mar-05-11 12:23 PM, #3
           RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, RoninEclipse2G, Mar-05-11 01:51 PM, #4
                RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, Ebster1085, Mar-05-11 02:41 PM, #5
                     RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, itsaslow95, Mar-05-11 07:05 PM, #6
                          RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, Ebster1085, Mar-07-11 10:49 AM, #7
                               RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, itsaslow95, Mar-07-11 11:50 AM, #8
                               RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, 420agreenvilleSC, Mar-07-11 03:54 PM, #9
                               RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, Cyexmaster, Mar-07-11 04:15 PM, #10
                                    RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, itsaslow95, Mar-07-11 06:47 PM, #11
                                    RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, RoninEclipse2G, Mar-07-11 06:54 PM, #12
                                         RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, itsaslow95, Mar-07-11 10:11 PM, #13
                                              RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, Cyexmaster, Mar-08-11 09:51 AM, #14
                                                   RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, itsaslow95, Mar-08-11 10:23 AM, #15
                                                        RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Mar-08-11 01:04 PM, #16
                                                             RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, itsaslow95, Mar-08-11 01:19 PM, #17
                                                                  RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, Cyexmaster, Mar-08-11 02:10 PM, #18
                                                                  RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, AdministratorCODE4, Mar-08-11 02:12 PM, #19
                                                                       RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, itsaslow95, Mar-08-11 10:19 PM, #21
                                                                            RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, Ebster1085, Mar-09-11 12:03 PM, #22
                                                                                 RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, RoninEclipse2G, Mar-09-11 01:29 PM, #23
                                                                  RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, 740 turbo brick, Mar-08-11 02:56 PM, #20
                                                                       RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, itsaslow95, Mar-09-11 02:37 PM, #24
                                    RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, valdeelrico, Mar-22-11 07:49 PM, #25
                               RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, valdeelrico, Mar-23-11 05:41 PM, #26
                                    RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, Ebster1085, Mar-29-11 11:08 AM, #27
                                         RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, valdeelrico, Mar-29-11 11:28 AM, #28
                                              RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, itsaslow95, Mar-29-11 12:31 PM, #29
                                                   RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, valdeelrico, Mar-29-11 12:42 PM, #30
                                                        RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, Ebster1085, Mar-29-11 04:07 PM, #31
                                                             RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, itsaslow95, Mar-29-11 04:34 PM, #32
                                                             RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, valdeelrico, Mar-29-11 05:10 PM, #33
                                                                  RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?, Ebster1085, Mar-29-11 08:48 PM, #34

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#133300, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Relays, wiring, ignition switch, etc. Did you have the battery load tested or did you just check the voltage. Did you test the starter?

Easy problem, just be methodical. Same with any no crank situation on any car.

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#133301, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Originally posted by CODE4
Relays, wiring, ignition switch, etc. Did you have the battery load tested or did you just check the voltage. Did you test the starter? Easy problem, just be methodical. Same with any no crank situation on any car.


When this happened to me it was the battery cables, more specifically the positive one. I actually looked at it twice and didnt notice. You know the little shim in between the cable and the post on most stock terminals for 2gs? Mine had corrosion thick as clay between the terminal and the shim allowing no connection to be made.


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#133302, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Push your clutch pedal down!

You already got good direction, so I thought I'd post up a wiseass answer, lol.

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#133303, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Mar-05-11 01:52 PM by RoninEclipse2G



          

Originally posted by bullettdsm
Push your clutch pedal down! You already got good direction, so I thought I'd post up a wiseass answer, lol.


Actually that's what I was thinking too. Check the clutch switch. the plunger might have jammed.
#82110 in this pic.

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#133304, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Mar-05-11 03:24 PM by Ebster1085

          

Funny..I was just going to make a similar post because I am having the same issue and I am getting pissed. Pushing the car off a cliff and collecting insurance is sounding better and better. So sick of this piece of shit.

So yea, battery has voltage, and when I turn the key to the start position I hear the fuel pump prime, as well as all the others bells and whistles. Go to crank it and get nothing. No turnover at all.

This happened once or twice in the past and all I did was fumble around with the wires that go to the starter and eventually it would start up. I have done that, as well as remove all starter connections and clean all terminals with a wire brush, remove both battery cables and clean them as well, and remove and thoroughly clean both grounds at the tranny and the strut tower. Also took a look at the little plunger for the clutch pedal and it looks fine and is operating normally. Still getting nothing.

Any other ideas?

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#133314, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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put key into ON position and jumper batt power to signal terminal on starter.. it should crank, if it does see if it will start that way, then it's something in the starter wiring circuit, which is relatively small. if it doesn't look for spark while its cranking, if its not sparking then check for 5V at ckp sensor, if there isnt any its in the ecu somewhere.(dosent mean its the ecu, just the ecu isnt seeing something it needs to so start looking at saftey switches)

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#133324, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Tried to jump start it and got nothing. Also, the starter is getting voltage. At this point I am assuming my starter is bad.

Before I go out and get a new one, anything else it could possibly be?

  

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#133327, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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If u jumped the starter terminals and it has source voltage and it did not crank, check your main engine ground. If that's good starter
Is bad

-Jason

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#133329, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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1. why do i feel as though i will be a victim of this issue in the near future...
2. jess, did u just hijack cye's thread..?

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#133331, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Car has new symptom.... it starts sometimes like normal and sometimes it dosen't do anything....

Status- Need to do break-in...



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#133333, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Check cables for internal corrosion

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#133334, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Originally posted by itsaslow95
Check cables for internal corrosion

This.

I've seen it a thousand times where even though cables and connectors were clean but the second you cut into the cables they were corroded all to hell. The cheap wire that Mitsu used in our cars doesn't help either.

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#133337, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G
The cheap wire that Mitsu used in our cars doesn't help either.



**gasp!** Mitsubishi cheap out on us?!?! Never.

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#133342, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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which wire do I check?

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#133343, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Power wire from starter to batt.
Ground wire from trans bell housing to batt

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#133344, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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I had a similar problem on mine for years and eventually narrowed it down to the ignition switch itself, so I installed my own push button starter. Problem solved.

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#133345, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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No keys - push to start.

Uh huh you know what it is
Black and yellow
Black and yellow
Black and yellow

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#133347, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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So I should just take them out and replace them cause I don't see how would I check all the wire for inside corrosion without completly hacking it up?

Status- Need to do break-in...



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#133348, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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A. Cut away at the insulation near the terminals to inspect for corrosion. If good, heat shrink/wrap the cable.

B. If shitty, replace.

C. Replace regardless since cables are cheap.

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#133352, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Originally posted by CODE4
C. Replace regardless since cables are cheap.


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#133353, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Yea, I did see some hints of corrosion on the exposed parts of the grounds but it didnt look too alarming. Obviously all of that was wire brushed off.

This weekend I will cut away some of the shrouding and take a better look at the condition of the grounds.

If they look like shit, what gauge wire do you recommend I purchase to replace it with?

  

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#133354, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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4 gauge wire. The pathetic 6 gauge that they put in the car is a joke.

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#133349, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Originally posted by itsaslow95
No keys - push to start. Uh huh you know what it is Black and yellow Black and yellow Black and yellow

Roflcopters


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#133355, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Be a man 0 gauge all the way!!!

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95 eclipse gs turbo - parting out
2004- dodge dakota
2006 lancer with a fancy wing and really expensive brakes.



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#133453, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Originally posted by Cyexmaster
Car has new symptom.... it starts sometimes like normal and sometimes it dosen't do anything....


ok owned a 95 talon esi. Same symptoms check your asd relay right next to the fuel relay near the top or the firewall. Drivers side I think. Just replace them both.

  

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#133466, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Originally posted by Ebster1085
Tried to jump start it and got nothing. Also, the starter is getting voltage. At this point I am assuming my starter is bad. Before I go out and get a new one, anything else it could possibly be?


asd relay under the hood, drivers side, on the firewall. I think is you have a 5spd there are 2 relays and 3 if you have an automatic.

  

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#133546, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Ok, no one laugh..turned out to be a bad battery. Even though it had a charge, alarm still worked, fuel pump primed, all lights and beeps went off with key in start position, I guess it didn't have enough to turn the car over. Got a new battery, and the car is back in action.

Thanks D and Locke for pointing out the obvious in chat earlier today.

  

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#133547, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Originally posted by Ebster1085
Ok, no one laugh..turned out to be a bad battery. Even though it had a charge, alarm still worked, fuel pump primed, all lights and beeps went off with key in start position, I guess it didn't have enough to turn the car over. Got a new battery, and the car is back in action. Thanks D and Locke for pointing out the obvious in chat earlier today.


you are something else.

  

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itsaslow95Mar-29-11 12:31 PM
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#133549, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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27 posts for a fried battery haha. Atleast you got it and helped us all exercise our brains. Win win situation =]

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valdeelricoMar-29-11 12:42 PM
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#133550, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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I'd feel like a winner if he'd change out those relays anyways.lol!

  

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Ebster1085Mar-29-11 04:07 PM
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#133551, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Haha! To my defense, I didn't start this post, just jumped on it.

From what I have read, and from talking to other members, ASD relay has nothing to do with the starter. It is simply linked into spark and fuel for startup.

  

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#133553, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Mar-29-11 04:35 PM by itsaslow95



          

In my defense I didn't originally buy the eclipse I just jumped in it later =]

-Jason

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~Naturally Aspirated then Pressurized~
Streetworksautomotivetuning.com <~ best friend's shop SUPPORT HIM!

  

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#133554, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Originally posted by Ebster1085
Haha! To my defense, I didn't start this post, just jumped on it. From what I have read, and from talking to other members, ASD relay has nothing to do with the starter. It is simply linked into spark and fuel for startup.


I'll take my loss and live to suggest another day. Happy you've got it running.

  

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Ebster1085Mar-29-11 08:48 PM
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#133555, "RE: Car wont start with key..... wth..!?"
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Thanks dude, me too

  

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