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EvilBoostOct-09-06 10:44 PM
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#121047, "420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS"
Oct-10-06 06:25 AM by DR1665

          

AT THE FIRST SIGN OF DRAMA, THIS THREAD IS DIED.
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Dont know if I posted this in the right forum, but if it needs to be moved to the right one , please do so and notify me please, Ill answer any questions, and ill take insults if they make sense..... Im no internet E-Thug....

Ok Ive been gone for 5 years now on this forum... because I ended up selling the car I did a swap on after I leaned out the motor, I ended up buying 5 eclipses after my 1st Project. Sold the Car for 3k with blown motor. Car did Run.. Ive read some stuff from a guy who called me a fat chunky salvadorean kid that was funded by mommy... and People critizing a batterys shops welding... =) to the guy who called me a fat chunky kid =) u aint so skinny ur self there buddy.. and i know now that being funded by mommy at the age of 15-16 is ok =) I now own a shop and I know you tried to apply for a job... which is lame... welding was done by a bodyshop which in no way is the way i work now.. that was my first swap and I paid a total of 3k to do it.
I bought a donor 1g car for 500 dollars from an impound... and upgrades and labor of 1500 to get it done... measurements were off by 2 inches.. So I had turbo performance of van nuys reweld the mounts for me 2 inches in the oposite direction.. so my car drove for about 1-2 weeks but I was rolling around with a big T3/T4 60-1 Setup with no fuel system so I leaned out.. at 16 I didnt know jack about cars. But after 5 eclipses and learning how to design turbokits, automotive school... im here and have owned evilboost.com for about 2 years now. This swap has been critizized for no reason and I havnt been here to answer back. So for anyone who has questions, or feels like bashing while im actually here... this is the post to do so in. I have pictures of this car years later that I never posted up. Total Cost for the Swap was 3k and I had to modify my harness 420a harness to fit 4g63 turbo harness. Only Problem with the car was welds were 2 inches off that was later fixed, and I never got my spedometer to work because the 1g tranny was cable... If this were I do it myself project total cost would be 500 dollars for another junkyard 1g and maintence cost to the motor. Why is it that everyone makes this swap complicated... Welding to me now that im experienced in making turbo kits is a sinch and im sure anyone could do it if they put there mind to it. So Ask away also Im never on here on dsmtuners im on ladsm.com so you guys can also find me there. I remember asking a chunky old guy with a red gs with turbokit guys name was ivan.. at 16 I'd take anyones help... proved to not be helpful at all... he just wanted to see the car in person... waste of time... thats when i went to the real old schoolers www.turbo-performance.com been in business for 36 years now... and they help me get it running right without having the axle pop off when I launched because of the welding differences... also This was a long time I go I dont remember if it was 2 inches off of 6 but... point is they measured and had it fixed.

I mean Guys instead of people saying just buy a gsx and gst... anyone could do the swap if you really wanted too... No one has said anything about the 4th gen eclipse that had custom motor mounts made to fit the Evolution motor and a mitsubishi's suv awd system for the setup... the car ran hard at willow springs...... If you do your stuff right... you guys can accomplish anything... Im actually getting Ready to do another Swap again ... Im buying a 300 dollar RS to do a tech article on , on doing the swap.... I got money to burn now ... and im going to do it for the better of the community... and so I can offer to sell a swap kit later on in the future.

  

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RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS, cc8balla, Oct-10-06 05:37 AM, #1
RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS, TeamDR1665, Oct-10-06 06:24 AM, #2
RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Oct-10-06 08:49 AM, #3
      RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS, goalie40, Oct-10-06 10:09 AM, #4
RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS, Moderatorbullettdsm, Oct-10-06 11:03 AM, #5
RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS, EvilBoost, Oct-10-06 07:43 PM, #6
RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS, donnyb373, Oct-10-06 08:37 PM, #7
      RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS, Chamuko, Oct-13-06 09:54 PM, #8
           RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS, highviewpunk, Oct-14-06 12:32 AM, #9
                RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS, 96rs-t, Oct-14-06 01:33 AM, #10
                     RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, Oct-14-06 06:42 PM, #11

cc8ballaOct-10-06 05:37 AM
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#121048, "RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS"
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Oct-10-06 07:13 AM by cc8balla



          

http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=96084&mesg_id=96084&page=

That is all I have to say. Good luck, and take pictures.



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TeamDR1665Oct-10-06 06:24 AM
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#121049, "RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS"
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Originally posted by EvilBoost
Anyone could do the swap if you really wanted too ... If you do your stuff right ... you guys can accomplish anything

The thing is, no intelligent DSMer has ever said this was impossibe, just that it's not worth the effort. Now that you're older, wiser, and have a sizeable budget for the project, you have every chance of being successful. However, while "anyone" could pull this off, "anyone" would also have to be experienced with welding and proper fabrication skills. You yourself tried it blindly and experienced all kinds of problems. The number of enthusiasts with the tools and experience to be able to fabricate custom set ups like this are not the ones asking if it can be done - it's the clueless, shopping-eBay-for-intakes-and-projectors crowd. Why do they ask? Because they want the power without the physical and financial investments. I'm sure that, by now, you know all about how you can get it fast, your can get it right, or you can get it cheap, but you're only going to get two out of three. They want it fast and cheap. Combine that with their lack of fabrication skills and determination, and you have a recipe for scrap metal that looks like a 2GNT.

Originally posted by EvilBoost
Im buying a 300 dollar RS to do a tech article on, on doing the swap. I got money to burn now and im going to do it for the better of the community... and so I can offer to sell a swap kit later on in the future.

Be sure to document everything. Every critical measurement, cut and weld so as to make doing the swap more feasible to others. You can't talk a big game that you've done it and will continue to do it, but then show us grainy cell phone pictures. You sound like you've learned a lot and you have a decent attitude for one who has been clowned so much, so I'm going to alert the mods about this thread and have everyone keep an eye on this thing. At the first sign of drama or bullshit, it's done.

It's not so much that the swap is impossible or that we don't want to see people succeed at custom projects like this, but that we don't want to see unqualified people given a false sense of hope that results in them, personally, destroying their car in pursuit of a dream. No one posts up, "I've got the 4G63 installed in my RS, but I'm having trouble getting the axles to align properly. Here are pictures of my motor mounts. Do you think it would be safe to sort of rotate the motor about 5* counter clockwise (by moving these mounts)?" Instead, they don't bother to search at all and simply ask, "What do I need to swap a GST motor into my car?" If they can't be bothered to do one minute of actual research for themselves, chances are they aren't going to be able to see such a project through.

Anyways, welcome back. So long as this stays technical and does not erupt into flames or get overly whimsical, we might leave it open for a while. If it gets closed, the burden of proof will be on you to demonstrate maturity in your dealings with other members of this community and show legitimate proof of what you're doing.


  

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#121050, "RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS"
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Ran, worked, fine, whatever.

If i wanted a 4g63, i'd have bought a GST or GSX. End of story.

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#121051, "RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS"
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Originally posted by DarkOne
Ran, worked, fine, whatever. If i wanted a 4g63, i'd have bought a GST or GSX. End of story.

Amen

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#121052, "RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS"
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Oct-10-06 11:04 AM by bullettdsm

          

Originally posted by EvilBoost
Im buying a 300 dollar RS to do a tech article on , on doing the swap.... I got money to burn now ... and im going to do it for the better of the community... and so I can offer to sell a swap kit later on in the future.


Um....I'm just a little confused on the point of the post. After getting by that angry fat guy stuff and the history, I think I got it narrowed down. Is this correct?

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#121053, "RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS"
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yea you guys are right, its just i made a search on yahoo and found alot of people talking smack about my swap haha.. kinda pissed me off... im just here to prove that i can be done... ill be doing it probally around april of next year. Im extremely busy with other project cars and leaving the country back and forth to do business... but Ill make sure to document everything... for the comment on i would bought a gst and gsx... =) I bought my 96 rs in mistake... i didnt even know they had a turbo version... they straight said it was the Rally Sport edition hahaha... i got suckered into that one... its funny now years later.... but yea... but ill also be making a turbokit for the 420a around that time... and offer almost same gain in hp by comparing and putting them up on the website. I already sent an email to see if I can support the community by paying some cash and getting ads up and making more products for you guys.

  

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#121054, "RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS"
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Originally posted by bullettdsm
Originally posted by EvilBoost Im buying a 300 dollar RS to do a tech article on , on doing the swap.... I got money to burn now ... and im going to do it for the better of the community... and so I can offer to sell a swap kit later on in the future.
Um....I'm just a little confused on the point of the post. After getting by that angry fat guy stuff and the history, I think I got it narrowed down. Is this correct? MB


+1

i didnt get it either, the swap is NOT that hard to do, ther are a handfull of people that have done it on aseclub.net already and a couple more getting ready to do it, the biggest hurdle is the damn donor car to do it with

  

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#121055, "RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS"
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Oct-13-06 09:56 PM by Chamuko



          

Oh lord... here it goes...

"Ok Ive been gone for 5 years now on this forum... because I ended up selling the car I did a swap on after I leaned out the motor, I ended up buying 5 eclipses after my 1st Project. Sold the Car for 3k with blown motor. Car did Run.. Ive read some stuff from a guy who called me a fat chunky salvadorean kid that was funded by mommy... and People critizing a batterys shops welding... =) to the guy who called me a fat chunky kid =) u aint so skinny ur self there buddy.. and i know now that being funded by mommy at the age of 15-16 is ok =) I now own a shop and I know you tried to apply for a job... which is lame... welding was done by a bodyshop which in no way is the way i work now.. that was my first swap and I paid a total of 3k to do it."

I dont recall me saying that...and I dont even know if theese is pointed in my general direction...for somre reason you have some hostility at me...fine get it out of your system. I do remember getting heated up about some retarded comments.

Show me the post where you were called out... Ill apologise.

If the welding was done BY a BODYSHOP it should have been done right. Sorry man, but I dont consider guys working outside and on the street professionals.

I also dont consider a guy with tools in some canopy a shop either... If you fear fines and getting "bothered" by the city...it brings red flags up right away...

"I bought a donor 1g car for 500 dollars from an impound... and upgrades and labor of 1500 to get it done... measurements were off by 2 inches.. So I had turbo performance of van nuys reweld the mounts for me 2 inches in the oposite direction.. so my car drove for about 1-2 weeks but I was rolling around with a big T3/T4 60-1 Setup with no fuel system so I leaned out.. at 16 I didnt know jack about cars. But after 5 eclipses and learning how to design turbokits, automotive school... im here and have owned evilboost.com for about 2 years now."

Funny, your figures are always changing... I also recall a call "hey can you drive my car for me to this shop that is going to fix it, I can only drive in second gear" Yeah you said you came to me for help...and called me for everylittle problem your "PROS" coudlnt figure out. I never said it was impossible, I just didn't like the idea of you leading people on saying it was easy, cheap, and you did it without a snag. As for automotive school...good thats one step foward.

"im here and have owned evilboost.com for about 2 years now. This swap has been critizized for no reason and I havnt been here to answer back. So for anyone who has questions, or feels like bashing while im actually here... this is the post to do so in. I have pictures of this car years later that I never posted up. Total Cost for the Swap was 3k and I had to modify my harness 420a harness to fit 4g63 turbo harness. Only Problem with the car was welds were 2 inches off that was later fixed, and I never got my spedometer to work because the 1g tranny was cable... If this were I do it myself project total cost would be 500 dollars for another junkyard 1g and maintence cost to the motor. Why is it that everyone makes this swap complicated... Welding to me now that im experienced in making turbo kits is a sinch and im sure anyone could do it if they put there mind to it. So Ask away also Im never on here on dsmtuners im on ladsm.com so you guys can also find me there."

No one ever made you leave, you did on your own. You are also not banned, no again no one is making you leave. You want to stick around? come on in. You saying your not on here is just that...

"I remember asking a chunky old guy with a red gs with turbokit guys name was ivan.. at 16 I'd take anyones help... proved to not be helpful at all... he just wanted to see the car in person... waste of time... thats when i went to the real old schoolers www.turbo-performance.com been in business for 36 years now... and they help me get it running right without having the axle pop off when I launched because of the welding differences... also This was a long time I go I dont remember if it was 2 inches off of 6 but... point is they measured and had it fixed."

now this just proves it... You have something against me? PM me or do what ever you want to get it off your chest, You say I called you names... ok prove it... mines right above... No help? who told you exaclty what you were going to run into? who told you those battery guys didnt know squat? who told you it was going to cost more then you say you spent on it? Who told you how to fix the problems you did have? Who drove to your house to see what was up with your car when you needed help with your belts shredding due to your kinked bracket? Who went with you to that battery shop when you needed someone to go with you because you were getting intimidated by them?

"I mean Guys instead of people saying just buy a gsx and gst... anyone could do the swap if you really wanted too... No one has said anything about the 4th gen eclipse that had custom motor mounts made to fit the Evolution motor and a mitsubishi's suv awd system for the setup... the car ran hard at willow springs...... If you do your stuff right... you guys can accomplish anything... Im actually getting Ready to do another Swap again ... Im buying a 300 dollar RS to do a tech article on , on doing the swap.... I got money to burn now ... and im going to do it for the better of the community... and so I can offer to sell a swap kit later on in the future."

Ok, good for you. I, and many others have heard that from other so-called "shops". Become a part of this community, Ill applaud that. Share your knowledge, but make sure its just that and not hearsay. For all your education, you seem to lack a thing or two. Dont sensor the details, take notes about everything.

You tell theese guys about the messages you would leave on my cell at 2 am? No? I still have em recorded...wow photobucket now hosts videos...

You say youve grown and have learned a thing or two? Man up... Ill leave this alone, if Im not provoked I wont say a thing... Im on here to learn and share what I know. We all should be.

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highviewpunkOct-14-06 12:32 AM
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#121056, "RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS"
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I would say just boost the 420a....why swap it out if your always busy doing other prjects. I say build the 420a....that my $.02

  

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#121057, "RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS"
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not to mention the swap still leaves you at fwd. I really don't see the point. Two different engines that can do the same thing, just different ECUs.



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#121058, "RE: 420A to 4G63T Swap on 2g RS"
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yea you guys are right, its just i made a search on yahoo and found alot of people talking smack about my swap haha.. kinda pissed me off... im just here to prove that i can be done... ill be doing it probally around april of next year. Im extremely busy with other project cars and leaving the country back and forth to do business... but Ill make sure to document everything... for the comment on i would bought a gst and gsx... =)


Wait a minute. you post here a year in advance that your going to do the swap and you show pictures of it being done with no proof the car was a 420a. Dont bother opening your mouth till the project has begun and expect to not get flamed. This post is worthless.

  

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