I had a dillema not to long ago about wether to go turbo or stay NA and for the time I said I would go turbo but I lied and am going to stay NA just because it is different. So I am looking for headers and have come to a stalemeate question. Which is better 4-2-1 or 4-1 I was looking and was going to go with an E-bay header until I saw the Pacesetter design of the 4-2-1 and hit the fork in the road so I wana know what you guys think and Cap I hope you read this. I did not post this on the other post to surprise you. YEA ...

P.S. - I have a 2.5 Tsudo N1 Exhaust and dont mind the absence of a cat.

if you want nice grunt in the lower rpm's go with a 4-2-1, if you want to make a few more ponies up top, 4-1 honestly I don't think you will notice much of a difference either way, both open up the exhaust flow nicely, the runners should be equal length on a good design, nobody makes a long tube header for the eclipse 420a, if they did it would be the best.

-Keith

'92 BMW 325i - 3.91 LSD....Cold air intake....M52 headers.....Track pipe....Remus back....Fan Delete....UUC short throw...M3 Clutch Flywheel & Drive Shaft...Tien Coil overs

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Any more comments I know you guys have more to say.

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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Which do you perfer thou the 4-2-1 or the 4-1 I just want to know if the 4-2-1 will not give me as much top end as the 4-1. Because I will go to pacesetter for a 4-2-1. Also with the E-bay header that you went with do you remember the name of the seller.

P.S. - And surprise Cap another NA brotheren born.

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Ok. So the 4-1 is ok but I think I wana go with the 4-2-1 because it offers more low end torque and I am gonna be driving this more on the street anywayz. If I am one thing, I am realistic I just wanna challenge and a nice QUICK car. Plus as we all know or will come to learn in the street a lead is a win so I wana car with some power down low in the power band.

First of all, thanks, Erik. Been seeing you post a lot lately and it's appreciated. You can be my wingman anytime. lolz

Yeah I going to look for one then and hopefully it will be a good header and deal like you got. I am not worried about looks to much as I will wrap it up in exhaust rap or something but I hope I can find one soon cause the E-gay sales people are quite convincing.

Don't expect e-bay advertised power gains.

http://www.2gnt.com/quote_db.php?id=287

I wont but if Cap uses an E-gay header then I think I will be ok using one too. And if anyone has used an ebay header what company did they buy from and how did it perform.

Just search for "pacesetter header eclipse" and it should bring up a lot of results. Buy from someone with good feedback.

Mike D
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Basically there are two designers for headers for these cars....Greddy, and DC Sports Ebay headers are normally 4-1 which are like the Greddy, they should hold up alright, and flow fine with just a little work, I would recommend trying to find a good used DC Sports, or Greddy header, they have the quality and flow you are looking for!

-Keith

'92 BMW 325i - 3.91 LSD....Cold air intake....M52 headers.....Track pipe....Remus back....Fan Delete....UUC short throw...M3 Clutch Flywheel & Drive Shaft...Tien Coil overs

I <3 the twisties