Ok, there are 2 huge sh!t talkers about to race for 5 grand in my area (Detroit) they have been talking crap ever since they have had there cars about who will take who will take who when there finished doing up there rides. The guy with the Eclipse GS will be racing a 97 Camaro SS that is Super Charged, the other guy has a 98 Eclipse GS with a Hahn Stage 4 kit. I have 1 of this guys friends that drives the Camaro SS wanting to make a 2 grand bet with me, his bet being on the Camaro. Im very tempted because I would love to make 2 grand. It has been comfirmed by a neutral party that the Camaro is Super Charged and that the Eclipse is Turbo Charged. The Eclipse has a Blitz body kit and what looks like a custom predator hood. The Camaro has chameleon flames across the sides of his car and a billet grill with a custom hood also. I rarely know them but I am familiar with them as I always see them both raceing at our local hangout against other people and never have raced eachother they both have taken the same cars and this race was just destined to happen. They are not freinds its a grudge they have just had with eachother for awhile. Neither of them ever pop there hoods to show there stuff but I had the chance to peak inside there cars. The Eclipse has 3APEXi guages, a boost controler, and what looked like a sring loaded button hidden behind the steering wheel (so im thinking nitrous) but no bottle was in sight. On the outside I noticed he had an APEXi Dunk catback. The Camaro SS had 3 guages on the inside and some kind of voltometer built into the dash. On the outside I noticed a dual exhaust system not sure of brand. Who do you guys think will winthis race?

lol... how do u expect us to tell you who's gonna win ..when we have no idea what is in either car..
lol...our guesses are as good as yours....


'95 Eclipse RS
INTERIOR
-Sony CDXM 750
-2 JL Audio 12w0 subs
-Premiere Amp
-CompuStar 2WAS Alarm with Remote Start and Pager
EXTERIOR
-Enkei 15" wheels (came with the car)
-2nd Generation Altezza Tails
-Clear Bumper Lenses
-APC Speed Glo Mirrors (with turn signals)
-Red LED Washer Nozzles
PERFORMANCE
-K&N Filter

>lol... how do u expect us to tell you who's gonna win ..when
>we have no idea what is in either car..
>lol...our guesses are as good as yours....
>
>
>'95 Eclipse RS
>INTERIOR
>-Sony CDXM 750
>-2 JL Audio 12w0 subs
>-Premiere Amp
>-CompuStar 2WAS Alarm with Remote Start and Pager
>EXTERIOR
>-Enkei 15" wheels (came with the car)
>-2nd Generation Altezza Tails
>-Clear Bumper Lenses
>-APC Speed Glo Mirrors (with turn signals)
>-Red LED Washer Nozzles
>PERFORMANCE
>-K&N Filter

I just told you a Supercharged 97 Camaro SS and a 99 Hahn Stage 4 Eclipse.. I think thats a good view.. in simpler terms for you a Supercharged v8 or a Turbocharged i4

Well I figured some of you guys may be more expeirenced and know the potential of both cars in general and with the mods I mentioned above. Someone have a good clue on what will prevail.. if you know your competition and not just your own car.

an LS1 camaro is fast from the factory, supercharged it's a killer

that eclipse better AT LEAST be a stage 4 with seriously built internals, and even then I'd say it would be tough

BUT... if he does have nitrous on top of the stage 4 then I'd say it's up in the air. It could be either car really, at that point there are alot of variables, too many to nail down what's going on (for example, what boost for the supercharger, or for the turbo?)

"Tutto fa brodo."

Todd Scungio
98 RS
15.173 @ 90.70 MPH

And also a 2011 Ralliart

Ok I spoke with the guy and told him the scoop about me possably throwin a little on the side and he told me he will be running 18 psi on a 114 octane gas.. He popped his hood for me and all i can say is woah.. It then poped in my head about the triger I saw under his steering wheel and I figured not why ask him.. so I did he laughs and gives me a spy look and then tells me to hop in.. so I lock my car up and hopped in we went to the spot where this will all go down which is about a 1/4 mile stretch which is black toped and in between old abandoned fatorys (Detroit is ghetto), he drives around a few times and then stops and starts BS'in with me.. I didn't think he was gonna nail it and let it rip at all but out of no where he says sit back or you'll regret it so I knew he was gonna let it rip. He punches it and I was sucked in the seat.. i've never seen someone drive a stick that good not even at the track and his car is hella faster than when it was all those other times I seen him racing. I sware this car could run the 1/4 in the mid 12s at the very least.. so we pull next to my car and I get out and im thinkin about that triger still so I ask him again he then again smiles and says get back in the car im like no you already proved to me your car has some balls.. he just said will you shut the fu*k up and get in.. so I get in and wear the e-brake sits and the glove box aside from it, you know that big platic piece he removes it and what sittin there?? a NX bottle im just like wtf!?!?!?!?!?!!!! He said its just a 75 shot incase this kid decides to grow some balls.. I couldn't beleive the job he did in hiding the bottle and the switch, I gave him my props and then asked him what this camaro is running he told me the supercharger will be running at 7 psi and thats all he has aside from the cat back exhaust. So what do you think?



I also told him about this board and he said he'll take a look at it and maybe start posting.. I hope so because this kid has some crazy ideas..

He said he has Crower Rods and JE pistons which came with the kit. Nice engine bay to, everything was powder coated.

Todd the '97 SS is running a LT-1 not an LS-1. And I wish I could be there to see this race sounds like a killer... one I would not bet on.

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who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein



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To Be Installed: Ported/Polished Intake Manifold 1/2, Rear disc brake conversion kit w/, Rear KVR Cross Drilled Rotors & Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads, SS Brake Lines

Firefly:
Mal: You don't know me, son, so let me put this to you plainly: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake. You'll be facing me. And you'll be armed.

Well boys people don't get no where in life without taking chance and this is one im going to take.. my 2 grand is on 1 of our brothers.. the race is friday night, ill let you guys know what happens.

Well one big thing with either is traction. A 97SS did come with LT1 but there are also 100 LT4 SS also but are white w/red stripes.One big thing is..is the Camaro really stock LT1? You can easilly drop a 383 stroker in and not be able to tell the diference. If that is the case he would have at least 375HP w/out an SC at the wheels..add an SC.. and probably close to 450 or more...I would stay outa that bet unless you know for sure that SS is stock motor. Even if it is stock that is a 13 sec car stock..pullies,exhaust,gears...easily 12's..add an SC..11's so???? who knows.

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I still think the eclipse will get spanked... I would love to see it though.

Yeah the Eclipse is gonna go down. There is a guy here in Tampa with an SS that has no supercharger but does have nitrous and a completely built engine and NO OTHER MODS (stock suspension etc. . .) He puts down 630 HP and 720 ft/lbs of torque!!! :o :o :o This guy runs 10's at 130+ mph.


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hmmm, I though they switched over to LS1s on the f-bodies in 97, my mistake.

I think it's too close to call. But I'm sure he'll need that hidden bottle.

Also, sounds like with all the work in the car (powder coated engine mods, stealth nitrous setup, stage 4 turbo) that he did his homework. Tell him he won't regret joining our little community here

"Tutto fa brodo."

Todd Scungio
98 RS
15.173 @ 90.70 MPH

And also a 2011 Ralliart

Don't wory about it Todd you were only a year off it was '98...

Yeah tell him to sign on and say hi.

The LT-1 can be an absolute beast, and if he's done the suppercharger he could have more... I wouldn't put my money down. But good luck to you both, keep us posted.

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein



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Injen CAI, 55mm TB, Hooker 4-1 Stepped Header, GS-T Muffler, AFX UDP, S-AFC, 8.5mm Magnecor Wires, Crane Fireball HI-6DI2, SS Clutch Line, NRG Susp. Motor Mount Ins., FU/RU/RL STBs, TSW Blade 17x7.5, Bridgestone Potenza RE730 215/45ZR-17. Front KVR Cross-Drilled Rotors & Carbon Fiber Pads

To Be Installed: Ported/Polished Intake Manifold 1/2, Rear disc brake conversion kit w/, Rear KVR Cross Drilled Rotors & Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads, SS Brake Lines

Firefly:
Mal: You don't know me, son, so let me put this to you plainly: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake. You'll be facing me. And you'll be armed.

Ok guys tonights the night (im fuckin pumped, hell yea!!). Im leaving now a friend of mine just told me there making some final adjustments and its goin down at midnight.. I threw my 2 grand on our brother.. ill let you know the results when i get back later tonight.

WHAT HAPPENED...THE SUSPENSE IS F*ING KILLING ME!

2003 Acura RSX Type-S
15.042 @ 93.06
Devon
Creator of one of the longest and most controversial posts in 2gnt history...
http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=38&topic_id=112462&mesg_id=112462&page=

geez.....

let's hear the results already!

i'm gonna die if i don't know...

THE RESULTS ARE IN:

Me and a friend pull up to the spot where its all about to go down, there weren't to many people around as we didn't want to get to much attention so no cops would show. We pull up and park next to 7 other DSM's and get out while there were a few Mustnags and Camaros parked across from us on the other side of the track. I placed my bet with 1 of the guys in a Camaro and we both walk back to our own little wolf packs.. everyone is anxiously awaiting for them to show up.. 10 minutes pass.. and here comes the Supercharged 97 Camaro SS pullin up at about 10 MPH and just revin his shit flexin his muscle while all the domestic guys were like hell yea gettin all geeked up for the race (who wasn't though). There all sittin there BS'in wondering where this the guy in the Eclipse is so they can get this on. Anther 10 Minutes pass and everyone is just chillin and all of a sudden everyone shuts up as we all hear our brothers Eclipse BOV. He pulls up places his bet with this guy and they are on there way now to the line gettin lined up both are revin there shit (dam it was loud). All people are getting in place to get this thing started. After about 10 minutes they get the go ahead and are preping them selfs.


5 minutes later it was flags down....


They both take off the HRC Stage 4 Eclipse GS pulls on him about a car length off the line, the SC'ed 97 Camaro SS quickly catches up and they are neck to neck comin down the strip with the Camaro SS startin to creep inront of him little by little slowly takin the lead and is now half a car in front of the Eclipse slowly pullin away and then out of no where the Eclipse hit 3rd and sprayed.... He ends up neck to neck with the Camaro again and then slowly pulls on him by half a car and wins..


WHAT A FUCKIN RUSH!!!

The

right on, chalk one up!!

i figure they wudda raced til at least 130-140 tho, third gear is like the second third of the entire race. what happend in 4th gear???

dont tell me they both let off at the top of third....


anyways, u 2gs richer or what?

03 srt-4 13.130@112.47mph (n2o, stock turbo, 10/2003)
now: 20g, portfueler, bpu+++ (track/dyno times tbd...)

i farted on your wiki

Hmm. . .I would like to have seen this race in person. Going through in to 4th and 5th gear would have been an even better race!


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3rd??? Thats it?? Wow..what a race.

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'93 Mustang LX 5.0
'00 Focus (beater)

Sounds more like a novel.

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98 ESi
95 GS

what about the freakin money??????

I thought you bet the camaro would win!!!

No..he bet on eclipse. Is this the script for the Fast and Furious 2? Sounds like same lame a$$ street racing..

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'88 Mustang GT
'93 Mustang LX 5.0
'00 Focus (beater)

Anyone remember Thunder RS-T's great detailed war stories....?(Most won't) altho the english is better in this one. closely resembles... but the thing i dont get is both of those cars are low 12 second cars how could the race only go to 3rd? owell... none the less sounds kick ass.

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I bet on the Eclipse he made his 5k i made my 2k, they went threw all 5 gears and the result was the same all the way after they hit 3rd.. he was half a car infront the camaro threw the end of the race, at the end it was close.. the eclipse was ahead by the back of his front wheels if they would have raced any longer the camaro would have adventually pulled on him, but he didn't it was about a 1/4 mile race (little longer, little less)the fact is he won and won big.. definatly made the detroit muscle heads think about our i4's take the story how you want guys I wouldn't waste my time writing all this BS.. anyways it was a killer race..

Damn, guess that extra shot did the trick

now, what's the 2G's you just got going to pay for on you car???

"Tutto fa brodo."

Todd Scungio
98 RS
15.173 @ 90.70 MPH

And also a 2011 Ralliart

Im gettin some bigger injectors, 625cc.. and some APEXi guages.

Ok, I have to say that that was the best race story I have ever heard. No doubt, depending on how you look at it, the Eclipse could have spent more into his ride, or the camaro could have spent more. The Eclipse obviously spent more in mods, but the Camaro brand new is over $30,000, so thats like $12,000 extra for mods the Eclipse would have. Getting off track, always argue with a friend on which is cheaper to make fast, the cheaper imports or the more expensive domestics. The s domestics lose their value so fast thought that a used Camamo Z28 has almost the same value as a used Eclipse. Anyway, needed the nitrous, sweet, just good to hear that nitrous can be useful even for Turbo guys. Glad you won the cash, gonna put it into your ride? Maybe you can eventually race those supercharged Z28's. Cant wait till I have my ride beefed up, cause thats my goal, to beat those Z28's and TA's. Good post!

95 Eclipse gone, meet the Lude. Now driving 97 Honda Prelude. Fast, but a few mods wouldnt hurt. How about a Cold Air Intake for starters...

>Ok, I have to say that that was the best race story I have
>ever heard. No doubt, depending on how you look at it, the
>Eclipse could have spent more into his ride, or the camaro
>could have spent more. The Eclipse obviously spent more in
>mods, but the Camaro brand new is over $30,000, so thats
>like $12,000 extra for mods the Eclipse would have. Getting
>off track, always argue with a friend on which is cheaper to
>make fast, the cheaper imports or the more expensive
>domestics. The s domestics lose their value so fast thought
>that a used Camamo Z28 has almost the same value as a used
>Eclipse. Anyway, needed the nitrous, sweet, just good to
>hear that nitrous can be useful even for Turbo guys. Glad
>you won the cash, gonna put it into your ride? Maybe you
>can eventually race those supercharged Z28's. Cant wait
>till I have my ride beefed up, cause thats my goal, to beat
>those Z28's and TA's. Good post!

Expensive domestics??? What prices you looking at? Brand new Z28 is $24,000 a new Eclipse GT $24,000?? An SS is more but a Z28 is better deal, they still go 13.9 stock.... Eclipse 15.5 . You tell me what has the best bang for the buck..

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camaro SS $30,000
eclipse 2gnt somewhere around $16,000
do a little math and theres a 14,000 difference
now put that 14,000 grand into mods like turbo...ect and you have the the eclipse just as fast as the camaro if not faster
you get what you pay for

the 3g eclipse GT's suck, $24,000 and no turbo, bah

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Well...if you are comparing older models yes. Sorry,I'm refering to new. I got in this arguement with my friend who has 2000SS. I told him I could have my 93GT in the 10's and paid off, along with all my other bills for that much

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we need more stories like this, this had me on the edge of my seat while reading man!

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Go to some lots and see how much the loaded SS's are going for, at least 33000, problem is, a year later its down to 20,000. They drop in value so fast that you can buy a good used one for about 12000 less than the brand new.

95 Eclipse gone, meet the Lude. Now driving 97 Honda Prelude. Fast, but a few mods wouldnt hurt. How about a Cold Air Intake for starters...

My friend has a 2000..2 years old.30,000 miles..new $30,000...now according to KBB $24,515. Not that bad too me. BTW..brand new SS w/35 Anniversary package and EVERY available option is little over $32,000 at local dealer. They don't depreciate $10,000 a year...maybe if they have 100,000 miles maybe!!

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'00 Focus (beater)

They are going for alot less around here, about 18k for a 1998 with nly 33k miles on it. They deprieciate real quickly, it would suck to have a car you paid 34k for and 3 years later only be able to get 20k for it.

95 Eclipse gone, meet the Lude. Now driving 97 Honda Prelude. Fast, but a few mods wouldnt hurt. How about a Cold Air Intake for starters...

Well, an SS was not even close to $34,000 in 98, myfriends has everything except leather on his 2000 and it only cost him little over $30,000 brand new. But all cars depreciate man. Take a 99 GSX Eclipse. $28,000 new around here loaded...3 years later $18,850 with 45,000 miles (avg.). And as far as domestics depreciating fast, my GT new was around $18,000..maybe a little less. Now,10 years later it STILL books for $7935!! $10,000 in 10 years??? Thats bad??

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'00 Focus (beater)

Good luck getting 10k for a rustang around here. KBB as in retail, or what you can actually get for it? My friend with a 89 Prelude with over 250000 miles on it, was still worth 3k according to kbb, but wouldnt anyone actually pay him that much for it? Hell no. Their initial deprciation for domestics is bad. Want to talk about a car holding value, my car brand new was 23k, and is still worth 16k wtih almost 50k miles. Domestics suck, cant stand them. They are generally not built as well as the good foreign cars, and the only way the know how to make power is by adding extra cylinders. Whats Stang GT put to the ground? Probably around 235, more than twice the displacement of an Eclipse, but only puts out an extra 120 ponies, thats bad.

95 Eclipse gone, meet the Lude. Now driving 97 Honda Prelude. Fast, but a few mods wouldnt hurt. How about a Cold Air Intake for starters...

Well, I like any car that looks good and goes fast, not biased like you I guess. What do you put out for torque to the wheels with that Lude?? 1/2..1/3 of my car, it takes more than HP to move a car fool.. Obviosly your biased opinion has clouded reality..what color is the sky in your world Well my junk domestic as you call it is less to fix,cheaper to mod,faster to begin with, and worth every penny and does not depreciate as you would like to believe. Maybe in RICELAND it is worth much less I guess. Even when it was auto it ran 14.907@94 w/ ONLY pullies(set of 3 $78)and a drop in K&N($40), Guess thats bad for lessthan $130 in mods huh!!. Now with T-5 I should be at least at 14.2 w/mods I have now..then N2O..13.1-12.9 . Before you talk smack..have a real car to back it up...should have kept the Eclipse..better looking by far and more fun to make fast...Not just another HONDA that thinks it is fast. I'm sure you wouldn't like my car...it has TORQUE..U KNOW..THAT THING THAT PLANTS YOUR ASS IN THE SEAT!! I know that HONDA don't!

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Your funny, why dont you go tell the guys running around in 11 second Civics that it take madd amounts of torque to make a car fast. I dont hate all domestics, mainly fords. A 14.9 with a stang? that must suck, got a V8 performance engine and just barely break into the 14's. Not to mention Stangs are a dime a dozen, look, theres one now, oh, and there, one over there, and they all think they run 10's. Torque is a sence of power, but it doesnt take huge amounts to go fast, and ET's are all that matter. If torque was the biggest factor, wouldnt I have been the one to lose against the GMC Sierra V8? Yea, he had torque, but I won by 5-6 car lengths. Stangs arent shit, they get beat up on by Z28's and TA's, and if they dont have any FI or engine swaps, they can be beaten fairly easily by modded imports. Impornt generally are better looking cars, and can be modded fairly cheaply. Yes it cheaper for for domestic V8's to go faster, but then again, I get a 10k headstart, cause thats how much cheaper my import would be compared to a Camaro or Firebird brand new. With that money, I think I could kill a Camaro. Oh, one more thing, a 98 Stang GT with 88k miles on it, loaded(yes, even leather), is only worth 8k retail, how much would you get in the real world, maybe 6k. Good try though.

95 Eclipse gone, meet the Lude. Now driving 97 Honda Prelude. Fast, but a few mods wouldnt hurt. How about a Cold Air Intake for starters...

This discussion is over, its getting to be a domestic vs. imports argument, which cant be won by either side. Seeing as how its really opinion. Conversation over!

95 Eclipse gone, meet the Lude. Now driving 97 Honda Prelude. Fast, but a few mods wouldnt hurt. How about a Cold Air Intake for starters...

Who turned it into that?? Hmmm. BTW..my loaded 93GT with auto was quick for a junk Ford AOD. 5spd's run at least .6 better. Engine swaps?? We don't have engine swaps man, not a civic. How much would it take to put a Honda in the 10's?? Thats what I thought. And as far as Mustangs go, ya there is alot, because people like them and they were one of the best bangs for the buck and now finally are starting to perform again. I can get into the 12's NA for a whole whopping $3000 or less!!....try that with your car. Wow, you beat a 5000lb truck with a V-8...what a race. Maybe try racing a Kenworth rig since it has a huge turbo engine...make you feel better then. You were refering to dealer prices in the 1st place and most KBB reatil is what a dealer would ask. BTW, almost all 87-93 Mustangs sell for more than book..I sold my 89LX 5.0 for $4500 with 133,000 miles on it...but you know they have such bad resale. Camaro's do not have as good of resale as Mustangs I will agree. I like imports and domestic cars but when you start talking smack and don't know a thing..well this is what happens. I also do all my own work to my car including the auto to 5spd swap and also working on my friends 95 Eclipse that I removed the engine/tranny and am putting a HRC Stg IV turbo kit in also along with of course a built bottom end. You probably can't change your own oil!

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'88 Mustang GT
'93 Mustang LX 5.0
'00 Focus (beater)

Damnit, I stop looking at this thread for a little while and look what happens.

Allright you two, this little hissy fit ends now. Take it up off line.

"Tutto fa brodo."

Todd Scungio
98 RS
15.173 @ 90.70 MPH

And also a 2011 Ralliart

It appears to be a mjbd vs. DSBLK93GT argument, not import vs. domestics. You know, it's too bad you two couldn't race and get this over with. Sounds like you've(mjbd) had your ass handed to you one too many times by mustangs and I'm sure DSBLK93GT would love to serve it up on a plate for your ass. Your bitch ass Honda would get smoked, plain and simple. You can say all the bullshit about "oh, well when I put this on it it will be a different story", cause thats then. Right now, I'd settle down on picking on modded Mustangs until you can actually run with them....sorry, but I hate HONDUHS waaay more that I hate Mustangs.

damnit guys stop with import domestic shit. any car that is fast and can take a corner is fun, and thats what its all about. i think its bad that big discplacement engines dont make the hp/liter that 1.6s make but they make up for it in torque. and i dont hate hondas, my dad has had one since 95, so thats what i grew up with. and i even like the pissed off bumblebee noise. and i got to drive a modded 5.0 once and it put me in my seat but i kept on redlining it because i was use to high rpms, but thats not what they're about. to each his own. love all sports cars no matter what the displacement is.




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Yep its pointless to keep a domestic vs. import war going. I have personally owned both, work on both at my shop every day. The biggest things i notice between the two is this. I had a 96 Grand Prix before my clipse, and i def noticed a diff in interior build quality being that my prix was much nicer inside. More comfy, better build quality, and i can say that is true for most new domestics(esp GM), my clipse just seeems "cheaper" in interior build qulity, as most imports are. One thing is i think is that if the domestic car companies would put in the same amount of R & D that the imports do in the engine design, the domestics would have a badd ass motor. I'm tellin you that if GM or Ford made their big V8's have more HP with higher redline, that it would be one very feared motor. But in reality, they don't have to, they have mad torque. Both will get you across the finish line quickly. Since the V8's have twice as many cylinders as we do, they don't have to rev to 9,000 rpm to get it done. We have half as many cylinders, and have to rev hight to get the same or similar amounts of torque. I respect any fast car, whoever makes it. I really wouldn't buy any ford except a mustang, because of all of the BS prob they have, esp electrical, way too much of that from my experience. Imports are more expensive to fix, but will not need as much fixing as a domestic, but in the end, everything seems to even out between the 2, given the pro's and con's of each. As many have said, "To each his own".. I think its more fun, more rewarding, to make a slow car from the factory, fast. There are MANY more fast domestics out of the facory fast, than there are imports. For me, i wanted to be a little different than buying a stang or mero. You can't even really debate on the cost of making one faster, there are just too many variables. Either way, its costs money to make ANY car really fast, it just depends on the car, how much you got it for, ect...Bring what you got, race, and see who's faster. Thats what its all about

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-2000 Honda CR-V(daily)

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