I upgraded the speakers in my car, 6.5's up front and 6x9's in the rear and I get more sound from the rear than I do upfront and it makes listening to music seem a little unbalanced. I know music should seem to be coming from the front like when your at a concert,right?? Everytime I ride in my moms celica i get jealous of her OEM system (8 speakers six up front and two in the rear). Is there anyway I can fix this or is it a lost cause??
Toney '97 RS 5 Speed (totaled) 15.4606@88.42 Mph 96 Toyota Celica GT 88 Toyota Supra NA-T (w/ sports package) Got Boost?? Hell yeah I-6 turbo powah baby!
#923, "RE: I need more frontal sound" In response to Reply # 1
--If you are running 6.5's coax up front, you shoud try to re-plug your factory tweeter. It may help. If it don't make a big enough differance try chainging the little cacacitor (6 dB cross-over directly soldered to the + terminal) of the factory tweeter for a 10-15 mF capacitor. It's not 100% hi-fi but it help. --By the way it's not a real tweeter, it's more like a mid-hi 12 ohms speaker.
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#924, "RE: I need more frontal sound" In response to Reply # 2
Hey I have a 5 1/4 infinity component system in the door with the tweeter flush mounted by the window crank. In the back I have the same 5 1/4 system with the tweeters flush mounted beside the stock speaker grills and 6 X 9's in speaker boxes in the center on the truck when you flip the seat down. I think I need more sound up front but where can I put it? What other sizes of speakers will help with the mid range and high end?
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Audio: Alpine CD Head Unit Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears 3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono
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#926, "RE: I need more frontal sound" In response to Reply # 3
if you want more highs hitting you from the front and you have tweeters in your system... place them anywhere that would be facing towards you. ive seen someone put them in the part of the side mirror thingy by the window.. plus if you want better highs then an amp will be a good addition.
#928, "RE: I need more frontal sound" In response to Reply # 6
how the hell did you guys put aftermarket speakers on those brackets up front? the stock 5 and a quarters have a weird shape. I did stick 6x9's in the back though with factory mounts.
#929, "RE: I need more frontal sound" In response to Reply # 0
There are really two reasons that your rear speakers are louder: 1) the rear speakers are much bigger than the fronts, and 2) They are aimed at the driver's seat much better than the speakers in the front door.
And there are a couple of ways to remedy the problem: 1) add a lot more power to a better set of front speakers with an amp, 2) disconnect the rear speakers cuz why would you want mids and highs coming from the rear anyway. I have been an installer for 14 yrs now and whenever I design a high end system, I go with a great set of front components with the largest mid driver you can fit (6.5"-w/o modification) and a good sub(s) in the rear. And it's true that kick panel speakers will sound much better than door speakers because they are aimed at the driver's seat much better. And there are a few companies out there that make pre-fab, ready-to-install kick panels for our cars (check out Q-logic). Making them yourself can be a major chore for someone with not much or any experience with custom installs. And put as much power as possible to all those speakers with amps.
Here is what my systems consists of: *Head unit-JVC KD-SH99 am/fm/cd/mp3 *Front components-Kenwood 6.5" Excelon set *Rear subs-(2) 10" MTX Thunder subs *Front amp-MTX Thunder2160 *Sub amp-MTX Thunder2300 bridged w/bass knob
One of the posts above was totally correct about the need for the music to come from the front and not the rear. After all, if you go to a concert, the band is playing in front of you, not behind you. Unless you're so high you can't see the stage and you get turned around. The only reason I can see to go with rear speakers at all is for a lil bit of rear fill or to make your rear seat passengers happy. But, who cares about them...it's your car and your stereo system.
#930, "RE: I need more frontal sound" In response to Reply # 8
some speakers have that hexagonal(i think) kind of mounting style, i had 6.5" diamond m3 and they fit it perfectly, otherwise you can make a baffle or i think metra makes some things that fit over it so you can use diffenrt size speakers.
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#932, "RE: I need more frontal sound" In response to Reply # 10
I bought my 6.5's from crutchfield and they came with a plastic piece which screws into the stock bracket and you just mount the speaker to the plastic peice. It was really easy. I dont have tweeters up front, RS didnt come with them. I thought about adding some, but didnt want to worry about wiring and stuff, plus im sure i would end up having to take the dash out to do it:(
Toney '97 RS 5 Speed (totaled) 15.4606@88.42 Mph 96 Toyota Celica GT 88 Toyota Supra NA-T (w/ sports package) Got Boost?? Hell yeah I-6 turbo powah baby!
#933, "RE: I need more frontal sound" In response to Reply # 11
is that true with all RSs? no tweets in the front? i bought mine used, so they might have been put in before i bought it.. strage, i never thought of that.. either way.. if you can get some tweets up in the dash.. they sound great.
#934, "RE: I need more frontal sound" In response to Reply # 12
My RS also has no tweeters in the dash but I popped up the round cover and there is a clip that holds the wiring harness for the tweeters right there on the back of the cover! All you would have to do is connect tweeters and you are done, unless the wiring goes under the seat where the stock infinity amp would be instead of to the back of the radio. Either way it doesn't matter for me, I ran all new wiring to my speakers from my amps.
Perf: KYB AGX Struts Neuspeed Sport Springs 5 Strut Bars (2 F/U, F/L, R/U, R/L) Sprint Front Camber Kit $15 Rear Camber Kit Corbin's A/F Gauge MSD DIS-2 Ignition System Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have) Ported Intake Manifold Ported Throttle Body Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler Empty Catalytic Convertor Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts Hurricane_GS Short Shifter Symborsky Shift Kit Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular 225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires
Audio: Alpine CD Head Unit Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears 3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono
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#935, "RE: I need more frontal sound" In response to Reply # 13
O.K. Here goes....
I compete in sound quality stereo competitions which a major portion of my score is from my sound. Front stage is difficult to achieve. I have custom made kick panels which sound great. I am going to flush mount another set of tweeters in the A-pillar to raise my sound stage. Then I am going to cross them over at 16K, with a 6dB roll-off. I am going to use either a Mylar or Poly cap. Depending on the impedance of the tweet the cap value will differ. (by the way, I got this advice directly from Greg Davis, Manager for KCG, Kicker Competition Group). With those adjustments and LOTS of tuning I will be able to achieve the sound imaging that will score very high with the judges. Nevermind that it will sound awesome for everyday music. That is what I recommend doing.
