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TeamMichael_97RSJan-07-04 04:56 AM
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#66043, "RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?"
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Originally posted by Skrilla
Originally posted by VX100 ...We could have an on-line class about the workings of the internal combustion engine, taught be Skrilla, Mike, Thura, and Dino.. err, maybe not Dino, as he'd fail people randomly for the hell of it or for stupid questions..
And yourself if I remember correctly, Dino would definitely be a teacher, he'd be the principal, the guy you saw once you fucked up, lol. I must say, I see one very good answer regarding pressure fronts. Vacuum is cause by nature and pressure (atmospheric) whereas suction could almost be considered artificial (I don't feel like checking it out now anyway). Why else would space be called a Vacuum. This is the basis on which non pressurized motors are refered to as being Naturally Aspirated. Becuase it is the pressure (14.7lbs to be exact) of Nature that fills the chambers. Intake restriction is what limits how well the chambers are filled (called Volumentric Efficiency-VE) for you No0bs). The artificial suction produced by turbos to draw in air to bring into the cylinders is what makes engines operate over VE. This is the reason a 2L@15lbs can make the power of a 4Liter+ NA, or why at twice the atmospheric pressure our motors make almost twice the power, of course there are other variables but this is consistant with it's understanding. A variable I've become infatuated with (Yes parts of my motor I'd have wet dreams over) as of late is the Camshaft which can use dramatic overlap and duration to create blow threw to slam air into the combustion chamber when the valves close, packing in that extra bit of O2. Other things which aren't mainstream yet are sound waves used on tuned intake manifolds which can produce more power with the proper length or tuned headers helps exhaust pulses from running into eachother and exiting the engine quickly and *efficiently* (quicker velocity leads to better chamber filling hence VE)


Yeah, Todd neglected his school race team experience when he was volunteering teachers.

On the matter is intake design and restriction. There's a sacrafice for driveability. A larger runner is obviously going to flow well on the high end. But go to big and the velocity of the air coming in will slow down and not be able to fill the chamber effectively. due to valve timing, duration, speed of the piston, and scavanging effact of the exhaust(more below).

I'll expand on your last part:
Tuned headers and proper exhaust set up wil lead to better chamber filling. A cam with overlap will have more time for the xhaust gas to leave and pull in fresh air behind it. As the exhaust gas pulses exit they move with such velocity as they hit the collector the speed of the exhaust pulse will continue to move in the direction it is forced, in the exhaust runners that do not have exhaust pulses yet the pressure in them is lower, the exhaust gas pulse that is moving pulls the next along with it to fill this lower pressure area. This is called the scavenging effect. (historical note: this used to be called supercharging, before blowers were created). This scavenging effact as it speeds along the next exhaust gas pulse, can pull is along faster. Which in turn will speed the fresh air that follows the spend exhaust gases helping fill the chamber better and faster.



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NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...? [View all] , Skrilla, Jan-05-04 10:54 AM
  RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, extreme97nt, Jan-05-04 11:02 AM, #1
RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, oRACLe063, Jan-05-04 11:02 AM, #2
RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Jan-05-04 11:11 AM, #3
      RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-05-04 11:12 AM, #4
      RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-05-04 11:33 AM, #5
      RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-05-04 11:35 AM, #6
           RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Jan-05-04 11:36 AM, #7
                RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-05-04 11:48 AM, #8
                     RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-05-04 12:00 PM, #9
                          RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Eagle 5, Jan-05-04 12:33 PM, #10
                               RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, run4cvr, Jan-05-04 12:47 PM, #11
                               RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, bullox, Jan-05-04 01:07 PM, #12
                                    RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, TeamAvenger, Jan-05-04 01:57 PM, #13
                                         RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, bullox, Jan-05-04 02:48 PM, #14
                                              RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, onetrav, Jan-05-04 02:55 PM, #15
                                              RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Jan-05-04 07:06 PM, #19
                               RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, foggy45, Jan-05-04 03:50 PM, #17
                               RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, CrazyEclipse, Jan-10-04 08:47 AM, #62
RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, mrj82, Jan-05-04 03:04 PM, #16
RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, mrj82, Jan-05-04 04:20 PM, #18
      RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 06:44 AM, #20
           RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, ModeratorVX100, Jan-06-04 10:14 AM, #21
           RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Jan-06-04 10:19 AM, #22
           RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 10:21 AM, #23
           RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, mototool, Jan-06-04 11:47 AM, #24
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 11:52 AM, #25
                     RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, mototool, Jan-06-04 11:58 AM, #26
                          RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 12:04 PM, #27
                          RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, finxster, Jan-06-04 12:07 PM, #28
                               RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 12:10 PM, #29
                                    RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-06-04 12:23 PM, #33
                                         RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 12:26 PM, #34
                                              RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, bullox, Jan-06-04 01:05 PM, #35
           RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-06-04 12:12 PM, #30
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Uberingram, Jan-06-04 12:21 PM, #31
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 12:22 PM, #32
                     RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, jamesman, Jan-06-04 01:07 PM, #36
                          RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-06-04 01:50 PM, #39
                               RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 01:56 PM, #40
                               RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-06-04 02:00 PM, #41
                                    RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 02:04 PM, #42
                               RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, jamesman, Jan-07-04 09:20 AM, #50
                                    RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Moderatormicyek, Jan-08-04 09:09 AM, #58
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-07-04 04:56 AM #48
                     RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-07-04 06:17 AM, #49
           RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, foggy45, Jan-06-04 01:08 PM, #37
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, babybeclipse, Jan-06-04 01:44 PM, #38
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, hydrata, Jan-06-04 02:24 PM, #43
                     RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Mystic511, Jan-06-04 05:48 PM, #44
                          RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, hydrata, Jan-06-04 07:34 PM, #46
                               RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, bullox, Jan-06-04 08:55 PM, #47
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, mrj82, Jan-06-04 06:04 PM, #45
                     Noob Honors program..., ez, Jan-07-04 09:42 AM, #51
                          RE: Noob Honors program..., babybeclipse, Jan-07-04 10:00 AM, #52
                          RE: Noob Honors program..., turbo8u, Jan-07-04 10:41 AM, #53
                          RE: Noob Honors program..., foggy45, Jan-07-04 01:28 PM, #54
                               RE: Noob Honors program..., Teametx, Jan-07-04 02:01 PM, #55
                                    RE: Noob Honors program..., Skrilla, Jan-08-04 05:56 AM, #56
                                         RE: Noob Honors program..., Teametx, Jan-08-04 08:24 AM, #57
                                              RE: Noob Honors program..., Eagle 5, Jan-09-04 06:20 AM, #59
                                                   RE: Noob Honors program..., Pyscodragon, Jan-09-04 04:22 PM, #60
                                                        RE: Noob Honors program..., Teametx, Jan-09-04 04:55 PM, #61
                                                        RE: Noob Honors program..., Skrilla, Jan-10-04 10:52 AM, #63

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