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SkrillaJan-06-04 01:50 PM
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#66003, "RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?"
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Originally posted by jamesman
The reality is that space is a lack of air, hence total vacuum. pressure on earth is caused by the atmosphere acting like a balloon around the earth. Vacuum is truly the lack of Air. 100 % vacuum will be a condition where a chamber or vessel has a complete lack of all air within. Different planets with different masses and atmospheric densities will have a different atmospheric pressure than the earth's 14.5 psi or so. So, with regards to an engine, if the piston is at TDC then only the availiable volume will be filled with the 14.5 atmospheric PSI. As the piston moves down towards BDC, the 14.5 atmospheric PSI will rush into the cylinder to fill the increasing volume of the cylinder where the intake valves will eventually close. "suction" by standard terms is what you would feel if you were to place your hand over the intake ports while the piston is moving from TDC to BDC. Also, since the piston to cylinder wall contact is basically a seal, this actually helps draw in air more effectively than if it were to passively fill the chamber by just atmospheric pressure. There is a point where you can actually get more air in the cylinder than it can hold statically. This is due to the fact that the air going into the cylinder has a velocity and when the piston reaches BDC although the cylinder volume at this point does not increase, the momentum of the moving air will actually force a little more air into the cylinder. this would be the ideal time for the intake valves to close, and from my research, this is what high performance NA cars are after. this is also one reason why adjustable cam gears help to extract more power. okay, i'm done late james


Yup something else I don't want to get into. I like that explanation but
Originally posted by jamesman
Also, since the piston to cylinder wall contact is basically a seal, this actually helps draw in air more effectively than if it were to passively fill the chamber by just atmospheric pressure.


I totally dissagree with, as a matter of fact it impossible for cylinder to draw in air, it is totally up to the atmosphere to allow it to enter, or better yet to push it in, as must a turbo do. If there were no presure and the cylinder were totally sealed the block would sieze. The best analogy I can come up with is when you have a gas container and there is a little hole needed to allow air to displace the gas as it is poured into your take, without the *displacing hole* (haha made that word up). The container would buckle back and forth while the air was displaced upon entering where the gas poured out of; even similar to completely turning over a 2L of soda so that the top is facing down. The container damn near goes into convultions until the liquid is gone (try this you will know what I mean). Now the Motor can't buckle in such a manner, but without pressure and the motor fighting the atmosphere the engine, again, would sieze. *Some* pressure will be trapped in the block, of course (because metal is tougher than plastic), in the process, but that's why we have a PCV.

So the moral of the story is that the atmosphere pushes in air the motor does not suck it in. Have you ever put your hand on the drain of a full bath tub, it feels like the drain is "sucking" your hand but really it's the water pushing to escape and drain, that is the same thing here folks. The outside pressure creates the Vacuum as stated quite excellently here
Originally posted by jamesman
The reality is that space is a lack of air, hence total vacuum. pressure on earth is caused by the atmosphere acting like a balloon around the earth. Vacuum is truly the lack of Air

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NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...? [View all] , Skrilla, Jan-05-04 10:54 AM
  RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, extreme97nt, Jan-05-04 11:02 AM, #1
RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, oRACLe063, Jan-05-04 11:02 AM, #2
RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Jan-05-04 11:11 AM, #3
      RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-05-04 11:12 AM, #4
      RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-05-04 11:33 AM, #5
      RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-05-04 11:35 AM, #6
           RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Jan-05-04 11:36 AM, #7
                RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-05-04 11:48 AM, #8
                     RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-05-04 12:00 PM, #9
                          RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Eagle 5, Jan-05-04 12:33 PM, #10
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                               RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, bullox, Jan-05-04 01:07 PM, #12
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                               RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, foggy45, Jan-05-04 03:50 PM, #17
                               RE: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, CrazyEclipse, Jan-10-04 08:47 AM, #62
RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, mrj82, Jan-05-04 03:04 PM, #16
RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, mrj82, Jan-05-04 04:20 PM, #18
      RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 06:44 AM, #20
           RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, ModeratorVX100, Jan-06-04 10:14 AM, #21
           RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Jan-06-04 10:19 AM, #22
           RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 10:21 AM, #23
           RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, mototool, Jan-06-04 11:47 AM, #24
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 11:52 AM, #25
                     RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, mototool, Jan-06-04 11:58 AM, #26
                          RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 12:04 PM, #27
                          RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, finxster, Jan-06-04 12:07 PM, #28
                               RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 12:10 PM, #29
                                    RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-06-04 12:23 PM, #33
                                         RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 12:26 PM, #34
                                              RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, bullox, Jan-06-04 01:05 PM, #35
           RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-06-04 12:12 PM, #30
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Uberingram, Jan-06-04 12:21 PM, #31
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 12:22 PM, #32
                     RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, jamesman, Jan-06-04 01:07 PM, #36
                          RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-06-04 01:50 PM #39
                               RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 01:56 PM, #40
                               RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Skrilla, Jan-06-04 02:00 PM, #41
                                    RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-06-04 02:04 PM, #42
                               RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, jamesman, Jan-07-04 09:20 AM, #50
                                    RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Moderatormicyek, Jan-08-04 09:09 AM, #58
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-07-04 04:56 AM, #48
                     RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, turbo8u, Jan-07-04 06:17 AM, #49
           RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, foggy45, Jan-06-04 01:08 PM, #37
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, babybeclipse, Jan-06-04 01:44 PM, #38
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, hydrata, Jan-06-04 02:24 PM, #43
                     RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, Mystic511, Jan-06-04 05:48 PM, #44
                          RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, hydrata, Jan-06-04 07:34 PM, #46
                               RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, bullox, Jan-06-04 08:55 PM, #47
                RE: NoObs - your lesson for the day: CAN U ANSWER THIS...?, mrj82, Jan-06-04 06:04 PM, #45
                     Noob Honors program..., ez, Jan-07-04 09:42 AM, #51
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                               RE: Noob Honors program..., Teametx, Jan-07-04 02:01 PM, #55
                                    RE: Noob Honors program..., Skrilla, Jan-08-04 05:56 AM, #56
                                         RE: Noob Honors program..., Teametx, Jan-08-04 08:24 AM, #57
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