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gilee_8Feb-02-04 01:14 PM
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#64562, "HELP EVERYONE!!! BLOWN ENGINE... maybe turbo too..."
Feb-02-04 01:20 PM by gilee_8



          

OK, it's been a while since I post up here.
The problems I have is fucking horrible.
Let me start off from the beginning.

A while back, I took off all my stuff, turbo, filter, exhaust manifold, all looks great then. and replaced the exhaust manifold gasket. But the two lower corner screws are COMPLETELY fucked up and all the head's threads at that two corners are completely gone!
Then I drove back to college from NYC (about 200 miles) and I notices my check engine light went on then I use my logger to found out it's the O2 sensor is dead (i broke it when I took off the DP earlier the day) --- SHIT.

Then of course since my O2 sensor is fucked so my A/f gauge reads like constant .458 or like 1.... etc. Then while i was on the highway, I start boosting...and HOLY SHIT, the EGT went to 900C = 1650F twice...(lasted about 1-2 sec each) it just shoot up instantly. OK, after that everything is cool, I watch my EGT every moment. I got back to college, the next day.. the car just pour out TONS of smelly white gas at the exhaust, and also the manifold. (coz I messed up the two corner threads) I DO MEAN ALOT!
Also I notice the front driver side Camshaft position sensor is spitting out oil (like a fountain).. so I AM FUCKING WORRIED.

Then 2 days ago, I did a compression test. and the # came out to be 212-214-208-215

So I know my ring didn't die out (am I right?). so it's just my headgasket (i hope) since mine is a 1995 version.

I start taking out things...and I found out a few things and have a few questions:
1) My exhaust manifold is WARPED badly (got it from motofool-BILL) so I have to resurface it right? (also I think that's why my head exhaust threads were fucked...
2) How do I fix that 2 corner threads on my head?
3) If my headgasket really blown... do I have to resurface the head also? so I do, do I have to completely disassemble it?
4) what's up with the cam position sensor oil leaking? what's up? is my head fucked up?
5) This worries me the MOST, my turbo (s16g) the intake side has OIL inside, not TONS of oil, but some... from air filter pipe to intake side of turbo, to the outlet of the turbo to FMIC... My turbo is brand new and now with only about 500-1000miles... and I checked for all shaft play and it's NONE>. (it's solid like new) can it be just from the engine? or if I fix the engine then it will be fine??

Now my ony problem is now is to take off the STUPID engine mount to take off the timing belt... I did a rebuilt on another engine before...I know it's IMPOSSIBLE< what should I do here???? I took out the whole engine at the end, but I dont' want to do that for my car now.... HELP ME guys..

Do you think I missed anything? what should I do?

also for all the details I said above, if you have any opinions about them, just tell me... I need all the info I can to make my car back to a normal 6PSI eclipse!
THanks alot guys.....
Gil

~~~~~~~~Modification~~~~~~~~
Performance: MegaSquirt v3.0 Fuel & Spark, 8.6:1 JE piston, Eagle Long Rods, SPEC III Clutch, EVOIII B16G, FMIC, Aeromotive 1:1 FPR, Walbro 255HP, 680cc Injectors, 2.5" DP, 3" Magnaflow Cat, 3.5" Greddy EVO CatBack, Greddy Electronic EGT,FUEL,BOOST,A/F gauges...
Interior: Racing Seats, Metallic Interior, 15-Speakers System, Keyless, Dynomat Insulated, Neons...
Exterior: 1999 Body with turbo wing, Halo Projector Headlight, 4300K HID, 17" Mille Rims, GSX Calipers...
Coming Soon: Water Injection, Redo Undercarriage, Repaint Exterior


$240 For New Complete GSX Calipers Kit (Calipers, Bracket, Shim, Pad, Bolts, etc) Email Me If Interested!

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djtrickeeFeb-02-04 01:19 PM
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#64563, "RE: HELP EVERYONE!!! BLOWN ENGINE... maybe turbo too..."
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Was this the same car you were trying to sell? Man I am glad no one bought that and then ended up with all those problems. Sounds like you have some major work to do.

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gilee_8Feb-02-04 01:21 PM
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#64564, "RE: HELP EVERYONE!!! BLOWN ENGINE... maybe turbo too..."
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This happened a few days ago...
Like Jan 22nd or so...
So this happened after I decided not to sell the car, and I change the exhaust manifold gasket...but then I FUCKED IT UP.... shit...

Please help guys!
I know I will get good answers!
Gil

~~~~~~~~Modification~~~~~~~~
Performance: MegaSquirt v3.0 Fuel & Spark, 8.6:1 JE piston, Eagle Long Rods, SPEC III Clutch, EVOIII B16G, FMIC, Aeromotive 1:1 FPR, Walbro 255HP, 680cc Injectors, 2.5" DP, 3" Magnaflow Cat, 3.5" Greddy EVO CatBack, Greddy Electronic EGT,FUEL,BOOST,A/F gauges...
Interior: Racing Seats, Metallic Interior, 15-Speakers System, Keyless, Dynomat Insulated, Neons...
Exterior: 1999 Body with turbo wing, Halo Projector Headlight, 4300K HID, 17" Mille Rims, GSX Calipers...
Coming Soon: Water Injection, Redo Undercarriage, Repaint Exterior


$240 For New Complete GSX Calipers Kit (Calipers, Bracket, Shim, Pad, Bolts, etc) Email Me If Interested!

1995 RED Eclipse GS-'T': Stage VI 20PSI
2010 Audi S5 Quattro

  

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96eclipse2nrFeb-02-04 02:02 PM
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#64565, "RE: HELP EVERYONE!!! BLOWN ENGINE... maybe turbo too..."
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white smoke = water = coolant...probably = blown HG as for everything else ??????? id say your engine is officially fucked...nothing you dont already know...sorry to hear it dude

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gilee_8Feb-02-04 02:10 PM
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#64566, "RE: HELP EVERYONE!!! BLOWN ENGINE... maybe turbo too..."
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Originally posted by 96eclipse2nr
white smoke = water = coolant...probably = blown HG as for everything else ??????? id say your engine is officially fucked...nothing you dont already know...sorry to hear it dude


OK, please identity what you mean by the engine is OFFICIALLY fucked?
I did the compression test, and the number is HIGH.
so shouldn't atleast my engine block is still perfect?
Please give more details, and solutions...
I konw I am fucked..but how deep? lol.... i need specific help and solutions!

THanks alot!
Gil

~~~~~~~~Modification~~~~~~~~
Performance: MegaSquirt v3.0 Fuel & Spark, 8.6:1 JE piston, Eagle Long Rods, SPEC III Clutch, EVOIII B16G, FMIC, Aeromotive 1:1 FPR, Walbro 255HP, 680cc Injectors, 2.5" DP, 3" Magnaflow Cat, 3.5" Greddy EVO CatBack, Greddy Electronic EGT,FUEL,BOOST,A/F gauges...
Interior: Racing Seats, Metallic Interior, 15-Speakers System, Keyless, Dynomat Insulated, Neons...
Exterior: 1999 Body with turbo wing, Halo Projector Headlight, 4300K HID, 17" Mille Rims, GSX Calipers...
Coming Soon: Water Injection, Redo Undercarriage, Repaint Exterior


$240 For New Complete GSX Calipers Kit (Calipers, Bracket, Shim, Pad, Bolts, etc) Email Me If Interested!

1995 RED Eclipse GS-'T': Stage VI 20PSI
2010 Audi S5 Quattro

  

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UberingramFeb-02-04 02:10 PM
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#64567, "RE: HELP EVERYONE!!! BLOWN ENGINE... maybe turbo too..."
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Feb-02-04 02:15 PM by Uberingram

          

yes, resurface the head if you take it off, its aluminum...its soft and doesnt like stay straight and level over time...stretching and warping...blah blah bla . and while its out you might be able to retap those holes for the exhuast mani. If not then bust out the heliocoil but it wont be so bad since the head is out of the car.

With good compression numbers then your shortblock is probably fine.

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gilee_8Feb-02-04 02:24 PM
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#64568, "RE: HELP EVERYONE!!! BLOWN ENGINE... maybe turbo too..."
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Yes, I heard of the helicoil..but they are DAMN EXPENSIVE..like $60 a kit for just one size.... is it worth it? or should I just get a new head?

ALso, for resurface it, do i have to take off all other parts?

Also, other solutions for other problems?
Great and Thanks for all the help so far!!! but more is needed!
Gil

~~~~~~~~Modification~~~~~~~~
Performance: MegaSquirt v3.0 Fuel & Spark, 8.6:1 JE piston, Eagle Long Rods, SPEC III Clutch, EVOIII B16G, FMIC, Aeromotive 1:1 FPR, Walbro 255HP, 680cc Injectors, 2.5" DP, 3" Magnaflow Cat, 3.5" Greddy EVO CatBack, Greddy Electronic EGT,FUEL,BOOST,A/F gauges...
Interior: Racing Seats, Metallic Interior, 15-Speakers System, Keyless, Dynomat Insulated, Neons...
Exterior: 1999 Body with turbo wing, Halo Projector Headlight, 4300K HID, 17" Mille Rims, GSX Calipers...
Coming Soon: Water Injection, Redo Undercarriage, Repaint Exterior


$240 For New Complete GSX Calipers Kit (Calipers, Bracket, Shim, Pad, Bolts, etc) Email Me If Interested!

1995 RED Eclipse GS-'T': Stage VI 20PSI
2010 Audi S5 Quattro

  

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WickedESiFeb-02-04 03:35 PM
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#64569, "RE: HELP EVERYONE!!! BLOWN ENGINE... maybe turbo too..."
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If your turbo is good, and your getting those compression numbers, then your headgasket is good too. Of course your gonna run rich as hell if your O2 is gone. The seal on your camshaft position sensor is probably just gone too, quick and easy to replace. It's not hard to helicoil, and it's not as expensive as you were mentioning. Go to AutoZone, get one, then return it w/o the inserts . You'll definately need to get that exhaust manifold machined flat. If you have oil in your intake path on your turbo, and you PCV valve and breather tube arn't leaking oil, it can't be from your engine, and your turbo's seals are bad.


Joel Baldridge, ASE Certified Master Technician, Audi Certified Expert Technician

  

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stvFeb-02-04 03:58 PM
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#64570, "RE: HELP EVERYONE!!! BLOWN ENGINE... maybe turbo too..."
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Yeah I agree.. with those numbers, your headgasket should be good, check your oil and see if it is merky/brown. That's weird since it is blowing white smoke, b/c that is a good indicator of a blown head gasket.. As for your cam positioning sensor, those fuckers are cheap and the seal on them are thin. It could be that or even leaking out of your valve cover, b/c mine did that and I thought it was that sensor. You are definately gonna have to get your exhaust mani machined, no way really around that w/o replacing things. With the amount of money you will spend fixing your head, it'd be alot cheaper to fix it than replace it.. But it's your call. As mentioned before AutoZone has a good return policy .. g'luck man.

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gilee_8Feb-02-04 05:11 PM
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#64571, "RE: HELP EVERYONE!!! BLOWN ENGINE... maybe turbo too..."
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Feb-02-04 05:18 PM by gilee_8



          

Hey guys...
Ok, from the previous two replies...I am really CONCERNED about this.
I am 85% stripped down the engines...
The only thing I need to do is take off the engine mount and take off the timing belt, then take out the Head...
SO is my headgasket bad?

If not, then how the hell my exhaust is spitting out MASSIVE white smoke, and they CHOKE ME too. The smell of them is HORRIBLE. Like if you take a deep breath from it, you will go to ER right away. Also, when I look at the back of the engine from the bottom of the car, Coolant EVERYWHERE. on the axle, on the oil filter, etc...

Please guys.. .let me know anything you cna think of.. I don't want to pull the head then found out it's not the headgasket!
Thanks all!
Gil

EDIT: also, ever since I added turbo, the Engine oil from my catch can has some MILKY white things amount the oil... and someone told me that's coolant which is mixed in the oil and I LOST alot of coolant as well.. so shouldn't that be my headgasket??

***OH I JUST REMEMBER ONE THING***
When I first start the car (multi times) (including warming up for compression test) the first ~1 minute or so the exhaust is totally fine. Other then the exhaust manifold leak where it smells and white smoke coming out from there, the muffler has NO smoke or smell. After 1 min or so, then the muffler start having those smoke and smell. ???? Please help!

~~~~~~~~Modification~~~~~~~~
Performance: MegaSquirt v3.0 Fuel & Spark, 8.6:1 JE piston, Eagle Long Rods, SPEC III Clutch, EVOIII B16G, FMIC, Aeromotive 1:1 FPR, Walbro 255HP, 680cc Injectors, 2.5" DP, 3" Magnaflow Cat, 3.5" Greddy EVO CatBack, Greddy Electronic EGT,FUEL,BOOST,A/F gauges...
Interior: Racing Seats, Metallic Interior, 15-Speakers System, Keyless, Dynomat Insulated, Neons...
Exterior: 1999 Body with turbo wing, Halo Projector Headlight, 4300K HID, 17" Mille Rims, GSX Calipers...
Coming Soon: Water Injection, Redo Undercarriage, Repaint Exterior


$240 For New Complete GSX Calipers Kit (Calipers, Bracket, Shim, Pad, Bolts, etc) Email Me If Interested!

1995 RED Eclipse GS-'T': Stage VI 20PSI
2010 Audi S5 Quattro

  

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WickedESiFeb-02-04 08:09 PM
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#64572, "RE: HELP EVERYONE!!! BLOWN ENGINE... maybe turbo too..."
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That would just be bizzare to have a blown headgasket with those compression numbers.

When you check your dipstick does the oil look milky?

Arn't S16G's oil AND water cooled?

Your a '95, which does have a paper composite headgasket (which are notorious for blowing, mine did too) which should be replaced with an MLS one anyways, but if those compression numbers are right, I might be checking out your turbo first.


Joel Baldridge, ASE Certified Master Technician, Audi Certified Expert Technician

  

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