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NHH223	Jul-19-05 05:01 PM
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#8138, "Limits of the 4G63..."

Yeah, smoking a cigarette and cruising around one night and thinking. There is a yellow BOSS mustang (like a 98) supercharged, v8, the works, best friend works for the driver's dad Anyways...

Is my 4G63 gonna take me to victory against this car? Will I ever smoke a Supra, Viper, or Corvette at the tracks? Will my car also be streetable? I'm not talking 650whp at 25psi on race gas with a 150shot of n2o, I'm talking daily driven, can I beat these guys?

Traction issues aside, (high HP = LSD anyways or GSX or something) Can I run with these guys? Am I gonna waste the next couple years of my life pouring every other paycheck into a car that will never break into the 11s or be fast enough for whats on the streets? I want your opinions, guys. I know you've all felt like you shoulda put more money into a car, had a better car, or SOMETHING BETTER when a sweet-ass ride blows by you and leaves you jealous.

-Nick

'95 Copper GS-T "Serena" Stage 3 CM Clutch w/alumin flywheel, Injen Intake, Apex'i I/C pipes + Twin Chamber BOV, Defi D-Series Boost + A/F gauges...pushing 17psi!

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Jeff_99gs	Jul-19-05 05:24 PM
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#8139, "RE: Limits of the 4G63..."
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11's streetable is about $8,000 away for a GS-T. I would say closer to 6 if it were AWD.

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97eclipse97	Jul-20-05 02:55 AM
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#8140, "RE: Limits of the 4G63..."
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You can get into the 11's with a 16G, or even a 14B (with all supporting mods and of course very well tuned) although it is a lot easier to do so in a 1g, because of the weight difference.

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slowmitsu	Jul-20-05 03:55 AM
Member since May 26th 2005 343 posts,

#8141, "RE: Limits of the 4G63..."
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Jul-20-05 04:00 AM by slowmitsu

You have a definite limit being FWD. End of story.

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Jeff_99gs	Jul-20-05 04:17 AM
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#8142, "RE: Limits of the 4G63..."
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Originally posted by slowmitsu
You have a definite limit being FWD. End of story.

That is not true. There are a TON of fast FWD cars out there. It just takes more money and skill to make them as fast in the 1/4 mile as AWD cars.

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slowmitsu	Jul-20-05 04:27 AM
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#8143, "RE: Limits of the 4G63..."
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Jul-20-05 04:57 AM by slowmitsu

Originally posted by Jeff_99gs

Originally posted by slowmitsu You have a definite limit being FWD. End of story.

That is not true. There are a TON of fast FWD cars out there. It just takes more money and skill to make them as fast in the 1/4 mile as AWD cars.

Your average Joe is incapable of making a truely competative FWD car. I am fully aware of FWD and it's merits but there is a reason AWD is the way to go. How fast do you think your TSi would be with the same amount of money/time/effort put into it if it were FWD.

Most FWDers give up at low 13's and few make cracks at 12's and lower especially when those numbers are easily achievable with the back wheels pushing you forward. Hehe. Nothing wrong with pulling your car into the 12's and beyond but it takes alot more out of you.

EDIT: I guess I should include that DSMers no matter the drivetrain layout are a bit more "hardcore", if you will, than your average enthusiast and should not be associated with 100% of the enthusiast stereotypes. Heh.

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NHH223	Jul-21-05 07:01 PM
Member since Apr 20th 2004 161 posts,

#8144, "RE: Limits of the 4G63..."
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Well, do we got a HP limit? Do we have a rev limit? Come on guys real answers and stuff. The other post with the 694whp GSX was sweet.

FWD and me... I'm good with FWD. I might not be the fastest off the line, but I sure as hell can shift. If my GS-T is worth taking it to the max, then an LSD, drive axles, stage 4 or better clutch, and a few weight reductions will be included.

I'm not sure what I want, but I do want a decent reputation around my area. If AWD is the only answer, then the GS-T will be the "relaxed" driving car, and I'll see what I can do about a Mitsubishi GTO VR-4 (yes, GTO as in the JDM name)

It's too late to ditch the GS-T, for sentimental reasons. 6-speeds are nice, and a 3000GT has always caught my eye.

FWD vs RWD comparison. Which is better? And why? A RWD is no AWD, but is it better than FWD by a lot? I know an AWD would smoke a RWD in a race, but a rear vs front, who's gonna win it?

Thanks guys

'95 Copper GS-T "Serena" Stage 3 CM Clutch w/alumin flywheel, Injen Intake, Apex'i I/C pipes + Twin Chamber BOV, Defi D-Series Boost + A/F gauges...pushing 17psi!

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slowmitsu	Jul-22-05 04:20 AM
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#8145, "RE: Limits of the 4G63..."
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Jul-22-05 04:24 AM by slowmitsu

Originally posted by NHH223
Well, do we got a HP limit? Do we have a rev limit? Come on guys real answers and stuff. The other post with the 694whp GSX was sweet. FWD and me... I'm good with FWD. I might not be the fastest off the line, but I sure as hell can shift. If my GS-T is worth taking it to the max, then an LSD, drive axles, stage 4 or better clutch, and a few weight reductions will be included. I'm not sure what I want, but I do want a decent reputation around my area. If AWD is the only answer, then the GS-T will be the "relaxed" driving car, and I'll see what I can do about a Mitsubishi GTO VR-4 (yes, GTO as in the JDM name) It's too late to ditch the GS-T, for sentimental reasons. 6-speeds are nice, and a 3000GT has always caught my eye. FWD vs RWD comparison. Which is better? And why? A RWD is no AWD, but is it better than FWD by a lot? I know an AWD would smoke a RWD in a race, but a rear vs front, who's gonna win it? Thanks guys

No, there is no defined horsepower limit and you could have a completely built motor with stand alone and wind that fucker out to 10,000 RPM if you pleased but at a certain point you have to take basic laws of physics into account. You can make all the power in the world and shift better than god himself but NONE of that puts power the the ground...none of it. Go look at any FWD street car putting 400+ to the ground at the track and watch it spin all the way first through 3rd gears on slicks. What's the point? You're going to need alot more than an LSD and axles.

And RWD vs FWD? Do you understand what a car goes through when it starts moving? Do you understand the physics involved at all? Weight transfer? Any of this ringing a bell? Do you realize what an inane question that is? If you want your GST to be decent at the track you have to understand what it takes to make a FWD vehicle get out of the hole. Money, time, and a shit-ton of practice. It's an art and a fools errand at that. You have to WANT it and WORK for it.

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Jeff_99gs	Jul-22-05 04:40 AM
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#8146, "RE: Limits of the 4G63..."
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Reputation? GTO? Stage 4 clutch?

This thread has taken a sharp turn for the worse. Where is that Fast and Furious macro when I need it...

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Dualgen2	Jul-22-05 01:07 PM
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#8147, "RE: Limits of the 4G63..."
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Originally posted by NHH223
I'll see what I can do about a Mitsubishi GTO VR-4 (yes, GTO as in the JDM name) 6-speeds are nice, and a 3000GT has always caught my eye.

Just remember, although these TT cars are faster stock, it's a lot more expensive to mod a VR4/RX-7/Supra and if the car breaks it will cost a lot more $ to fix it. Same goes for rebuilding. I still love my car and have always liked VR4's but the 4G63 is a great motor and I hope in the future I have the chance to own a car w/ a 4G in it. BTW, no point in calling a 3000GT a GTO unless u actually have one from Japan or another country. That's like saying you got a Skyline when you have a G35.
As for beating TT cars w/ a 4G it's not THAT hard. It's pretty hard to compete w/ a Supra's top end no matter what you have but there are plenty of turbo honda's, nissan's extra that CAN beat any TT car if it's modded correctly and YES they are still streetable.
FWD has it's limits on the street
AWD breaks more
RWD is IMO the worst for a daily driver especially if it has a lot of power (Snow/Rain)
Good luck w/ your decision.
-Dave

2009 Corolla S - waiting until 2012 for my next toy!
*SOLD* 1992 3000GT VR4 - pearl white and 45,6xx miles!
*SOLD* 2007 Subaru Legacy GT sedan
*SOLD* 95 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 - BPU
*SOLD* 97 Eclipse GS Star Stage 2

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420a-Tnthewerks	Jul-22-05 03:34 PM
Member since Jun 11th 2004 2267 posts,

#8148, "RE: Limits of the 4G63..."
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I remember a long time ago I saw a dyno chart of a 4g63 that made over 1000WHP. The car was white, anybody know what I'm talking about?

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