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widebodied	Sep-19-04 06:40 AM
Member since Oct 22nd 2002 2257 posts,

#9797, "high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"

as you know, i picked up a 93 talon awd.
i think my future mod list is as follows

tubular manifold
t-60-1 bb turbo
720cc injectors
walbro 190
safc
hks cams
hks gears
custom ic piping
hks ssq bov
hks tt
spearco fmic
udp for everything
maybe a 4 bolt rear in the future
95 diamate brake upgrade
kyb shocks
proline springs
18x8.5 wheels

what am im lacking, within the next month, imma soon start stacking parts for this beast.

DWAYNE H
1996 eclipse
under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE)
Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.

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DSMTunerS95	Sep-16-04 03:29 AM
Member since Jul 30th 2003 185 posts,

#9798, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by widebodied
as you know, i picked up a 93 talon awd. i think my future mod list is as follows tubular manifold t-60-1 bb turbo 720cc injectors walbro 190 safc hks cams hks gears custom ic piping hks ssq bov hks tt spearco fmic udp for everything maybe a 4 bolt rear in the future 95 diamate brake upgrade kyb shocks proline springs 18x8.5 wheels what am im lacking, within the next month, imma soon start stacking parts for this beast. DWAYNE H 1996 eclipse under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE) Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.

Whats up Dwayne, don't know if you remember me but i bought the 420a motor from you a long time ago, and since long gotten rid of the RS and have a 92 awd talon and since gotten 12.42@114 with a b16g and race gas, but here are my suggestions.

drop the 190, get a 255hp
unless you plan on stroking the 2.0, dont get a 60-1 the spool up is horrible, you can easily attain 11's with a SCM50 from pte or a gt32e from pte. your going to have a hard time controlling 720's with just an s-afc, im using a GM-MAF along with an s-afc to control my 780's. Don't worry about getting cam gears, all you'll need is the cams i reccommend the 272/272's, a 4 bolt rear is going to be a MUST you'll break it in half making any decent ammount of power. your also forgetting a clutch, ACT 2600 is the best around, a lightweight flywheel is nice too, i have the XACT pro-lite and i love it. id reconsider the 18's unless there gonna be really light, might as well just get 17's. also i reccomend H&R springs over Eibach, the H&R's perform better and are alot more comfortable than the eibachs, i have the eibach streets and they ride like ass. those are just a few of my suggestions. hit me up on aim and we can talk more if u want DSMTuners95

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widebodied	Sep-16-04 03:38 AM
Member since Oct 22nd 2002 2257 posts,

#9799, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Sep-16-04 03:39 AM by widebodied

good suggestions, did i mention the 60-1 in bb trim, spool is something crazy like fullboost by 3300 rpms.

i was thinking of picking up a used 20g and a ported 2g manifold for the mean while.

yea the gm-maf, can u elaborate a bit,

DWAYNE H
1996 eclipse
under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Jeff_99gs	Sep-16-04 03:41 AM
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#9800, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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The 93 already has a 4 bolt.

You will need a Walbro 255 for a turbo that size. You can run low 12s to high 11's on a Big 16G though quite easily.

You won't need the cam gears.

etc, etc. Do lots of research. You don't need half the parts you suggested, and most of the ones you did get right aren't quite right

Search lots!

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DSMTunerS95	Sep-16-04 04:04 AM
Member since Jul 30th 2003 185 posts,

#9801, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by Jeff_99gs
The 93 already has a 4 bolt.

DURRR I forgot about that lol, just him making it sound like having a 3 bolt made me say that.

Also dwayne, the 92 and up already have 11' rotors and DPC's i really dont think u should bother with the brake upgrade.

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DSMTunerS95	Sep-16-04 04:02 AM
Member since Jul 30th 2003 185 posts,

#9802, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by widebodied
good suggestions, did i mention the 60-1 in bb trim, spool is something crazy like fullboost by 3300 rpms. i was thinking of picking up a used 20g and a ported 2g manifold for the mean while. yea the gm-maf, can u elaborate a bit, .

Ball Bearing really dosnt improve spool up at all, on a 60-1 even if it was ball bearing, u wouldnt see full boost till near 4500rpm.

Your best bet is the SCM50 it can be had for 850 shipped brand new and is proven and an incredible turbo full boost around 3500-3700 and flows a great deal. BTW it loves pump gas, people well tuned run 25lbs on 93 octane. I've been able to manage running 23 with less than 2 counts of knock.

Ramchargers sells a GM-MAF and Translator setup for our cars, its a blow through style, which flows ALOT more than our stock mas, it also allows you to vent the bov which is a big thing for some people lol.

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BigBald	Sep-16-04 04:58 AM
Member since Oct 22nd 2002 2715 posts,

#9803, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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SCM 50 Trim
FMIC w/ Piping and Upgraded BOV
Upgraded Clutch (most use the ACT Series CLutches)
650cc Injectors (altho you could get away with 550s)
Walboro 255lph HP Fuel Pump
Aeromotive AFPR (This is optional...but alot of people recommend it)
GM Maf w/ Translator (not needed but if you want to vent you will need this)
Boost Gauge & EGT Gauge
Upgraded Suspension (I recommend Full Coilovers(I have Teins))
2.5" Downpipe w/ Cat Eliminator(you can use 3" if you like)
3" Cat-Back Exhaust
Either a Stand Alone or SAFC-2(your Choice)
if you go with SAFC-2 go with either the VPC chip or KEydiver Chip is you have a EPROM. If you don't have one....get one.

That will get you into the 11s with some ease. Driving and tuning will play a roll in it but for the most part you are gauranteed 11s. You do not need Cams (good louck finding HKS anyway), no brake upgrade,no gears or any of the other stuff. Hit me up on AIM if you need assistance.

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

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Jeff_99gs	Sep-16-04 05:42 AM
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#9804, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by DSMTunerS95

Ball Bearing really dosnt improve spool up at all, on a 60-1 even if it was ball bearing, u wouldnt see full boost till near 4500rpm.

Woah more misinformation! I LOVE this forum!

HybriDSM has a Ball Bearing 60-1 on his 91 GSX. He hits full boost around 3500rpm if not sooner. Ball bearing absolutely helps spool-up time. I would know because I built the damn car and drove it. He will chirp in at some point with comments I am sure.

Also the MAFT can run in blow-through and pull-through. Either way it flows much better than a 2G MAF.

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BigBald	Sep-16-04 05:56 AM
Member since Oct 22nd 2002 2715 posts,

#9805, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by Jeff_99gs

Originally posted by DSMTunerS95

Also the MAFT can run in blow-through and pull-through. Either way it flows much better than a 2G MAF.

I will be switching over to that setup soon.

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

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DSMTunerS95	Sep-16-04 06:03 AM
Member since Jul 30th 2003 185 posts,

#9806, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
In response to Reply # 7

Originally posted by Jeff_99gs

Originally posted by DSMTunerS95

Ball Bearing really dosnt improve spool up at all, on a 60-1 even if it was ball bearing, u wouldnt see full boost till near 4500rpm.

Woah more misinformation! I LOVE this forum! HybriDSM has a Ball Bearing 60-1 on his 91 GSX. He hits full boost around 3500rpm if not sooner. Ball bearing absolutely helps spool-up time. I would know because I built the damn car and drove it. He will chirp in at some point with comments I am sure. Also the MAFT can run in blow-through and pull-through. Either way it flows much better than a 2G MAF.

My friend had an SCM61 (57 trim) non ball bearing, didnt hit full boost until near 4500, a 60-1 is larger and flows less than a 57 trim, ball bearing helps with spool, but not enough to drop it from 4500 to 3500, ball bearing is used for transient boost drops, not to dramatically decrease spool time.

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BigBald	Sep-16-04 06:13 AM
Member since Oct 22nd 2002 2715 posts,

#9807, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by DSMTunerS95
My friend had an SCM61 (57 trim) non ball bearing, didnt hit full boost until near 4500, a 60-1 is larger and flows less than a 57 trim, ball bearing helps with spool, but not enough to drop it from 4500 to 3500, ball bearing is used for transient boost drops, not to dramatically decrease spool time.

I was told this same thing by RRE, Pruven Performance and other shops but everytime I say that I am told i spread wrong information. I am not doubting when Hybrid sees full bost, however the reason he says it is another story.

Either way BB turbo is not needed to it 11s and it is considered a high maintenace turbo anyway. Get either a 50 or 60 Trim which are considered friendly pump gas turbos and you will be fine.

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

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