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SemperboostSep-18-05 06:31 AM
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#1359, "Which wideband to go with MS??"


          

I'm planning a rebuild and eventually Megasquirt in a month or two. I'll get the engine (maybe HipHops) then get a Wideband 02. And after a month ditch the SFMU/ 30lbers and dive into the Megasquirt. Which wideband do you guys recommend and would be compatible with the MS for later? I have a exhaust cutout on my DP so putting the sensor on the testpipe wouldn't be so great. Is it possible to switch out the stock front O2 NB sensor with a WB one? THanks

Alvin

  

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XMasta19Sep-18-05 10:09 AM
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#1360, "RE: Which wideband to go with MS??"
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There is no problem replacing your front o2 sensor if you replace it with a wideband that comes with a narrowband output. You put your wb02 sensor in the front spot, send the narrowband signal to make your ecu happy, and send the wideband signal to the ms. I prefer the zeitronix zt-2

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MCubed45Sep-19-05 08:53 AM
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#1361, "RE: Which wideband to go with MS??"
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some WBO2's don't like to be that close to the manifold (where the stock upstream NBO2 is). depends on the sensor i guess...

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Teamner947Sep-19-05 05:32 PM
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#1362, "RE: Which wideband to go with MS??"
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Sep-19-05 05:34 PM by ner947



          

The MSI will support a whole bunch of widebands... I'll drop a few names:

settings.ini
#unset NARROW_BAND_EGO "Narrowband Sensor"
#unset WB_1_0_LINEAR "Wideband in NB Emulator Mode, 0-1v 1.5:0.5 Lambda"
#unset AEM_LINEAR "AEM Gauge AEM-30-42xx"
#unset AEM_NON_LINEAR "AEM UEGO Controller AEM-30-230x"
#unset DIYWB_NON_LINEAR "DIY-WB or Tech Edge non-linear output"
#set TECHEDGE_LINEAR "Tech Edge sensor giving 0-5V 9-19:1 AFR"
#unset INNOVATE_1_2_LINEAR "Innovate sensor giving 1-2V 10-20:1 AFR"
#unset INNOVATE_0_5_LINEAR "Innovate, PLX 0-5V 10-20:1 AFR"
#unset ZEITRONIX_NON_LINEAR "Zeitronix Non-linear WB"
#unset WB_UNKNOWN "Wideband sensor but none of the above types"


That is cut and paste from my config file. I believe with the MSII you can define your own curve, but don't quote me on that.


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RxR_EclipseSep-19-05 06:12 PM
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#1363, "RE: Which wideband to go with MS??"
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Sep-19-05 06:13 PM by RxR_Eclipse

          

Nate which version of the code do you have? I want to use the aem feed and sell my techedge unit.
O yea, I would recomend either the aem unit or the techedge, I have both although the aem unit is nothing more than a gauge for me at the moment.

Kevin
The old:


The new:

  

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MCubed45Sep-19-05 07:32 PM
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#1364, "RE: Which wideband to go with MS??"
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Sep-19-05 07:34 PM by MCubed45

          

the AEM gauge is pretty

so the output from the AEM UEGO is non-linear? i thought it had a 0-5v output for use with any stand-alone system. i kinda assumed that was a linear output

*edit*
or is there a different output coming from off the gauge than if you had just the controller?

-marc

  

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#1365, "RE: Which wideband to go with MS??"
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I bet the AEM would work fine with the MS... What kind of output does it have... 0 volts = ?:1 AFR and 5 volts = ?:1 AFR? If you are lucky it will fall into one of the catagories in the config file. If it doesn't and you are really motovated you can always code it in yourself.

I am running the latest alpha revision, 025x1 I believe. I've been playing around with different code versions and different MT versions in an attempt to get the realtime barometric correction to work. I just test drove it for the first time tonight, this code version claims to have software fixes for the ~2600 RPM misfire but I still get it, the datalog says that I get random tach spikes (RPM goes to infinity at random points near 2600 RPM's) I think it has something to do with my VR tachometer input circuit because the new code doesn't fix it nor does the old code.

I think that the solution lies in the adjustment of the 2 potentiometers, one adjusts the hysteresis and one adjust the zero crossing point. Right now I have it tuned so the range of the crank angle sensor output, upper side of R54 (on the 3.0 board) or the heat sink side does not go above 3.0 volts and does not go below 1.0 volts. One of the resistors adjusts the range and other adjusts the center point. It's kind of tricky... I had problems with the Opto isolator circuit so I decided to switch over to the non-isolated VR circuit. The Opto circuit on the -extra site always seemed kind of hokey, there is one pull-up resistor there which sort of defeats the purpose of the isolator. In other words my gut tells me that the schematic is wrong.


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RxR_EclipseSep-20-05 04:04 AM
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#1367, "RE: Which wideband to go with MS??"
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Originally posted by ner947
I am running the latest alpha revision, 025x1 I believe. I've been playing around with different code versions and different MT versions in an attempt to get the realtime barometric correction to work. I just test drove it for the first time tonight, this code version claims to have software fixes for the ~2600 RPM misfire but I still get it, the datalog says that I get random tach spikes (RPM goes to infinity at random points near 2600 RPM's)


I also get this misfire, although my rpm never spikes...I'll download this latest version and see if it fixes the burp....

Kevin
The old:


The new:

  

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Teamner947Sep-20-05 12:19 PM
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#1369, "RE: Which wideband to go with MS??"
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Yeah, the spikes are really annoying. They seem to go away after the engine heats up though... kind of weird. I looked at the raw crank angle waveform with my scope and every now and then it will catch a nasty spike in the negative direction, possibly a result of interference from the ignition wires. Eventually I want to cut the stock ECU off from the crank angle sensor, it's just another device attached to it and who knows what the ECU does to that output. Idealy I would like to run some coax to the sensor, maybe 1 special piece or 2 seperate pieces... The sheild would go to ground and the center conductor would go to the output, maybe run another line with a sheilded power wire. Right now I have the blue wire on the ECU tapped. The control voltage for the sensor is 9 volts...? Either I would have to get a 9 volt regulator or maybe it will still work with 12 or 5 volts?


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SemperboostSep-20-05 01:00 PM
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#1371, "RE: Which wideband to go with MS??"
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Does it make sense to get the Zeitronix one with the display and then in a month or two get the MS and laptop??
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#1372, "RE: Which wideband to go with MS??"
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Originally posted by Semperboost
Does it make sense to get the Zeitronix one with the display and then in a month or two get the MS and laptop??


Sure. The Zeitronix is listed above so it will be easily adaped to the current MSI code.


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