i was just wondering what has been the fastest and the most whp on 420aT's, i have a esi with a t3t4 garrett, portfueler with 500cc injectors, aeromotive 1:1 regulator, 24-10-3 intercooler, halmann boost controller, and a spec stage 3 clutch, everthing else is stock.
my car put down 308whp and 305ftlbs at 16psi and has been up and running for about 2 months now, no need to tell me what i should do with my car =, I AM WELL AWARE OF WHAT THE LIMITS SHOULD BE!!

No shit??

THats fucking awesome.

Sooo...your saying 16psi on stock internals?

yes completely stock from the head to the block.

Originally posted by awddynamite
yes completely stock from the head to the block.

yea right.

Originally posted by 96rs-t

Originally posted by awddynamite yes completely stock from the head to the block.

yea right.

I find it hard to believe its stock. I didnt know our rings could hold up to 16psi and be fine. But good numbers and hope you hit 12's.

i will be running it on the 22nd, i am hoping for mid to low 12s on 24.5 inch M&H slicks of course.

honest to god, if someone is willing to put money on it i will pull my motor apart and prove what is done to the motor, it is stock, stock pistons, rods, cams, springs, retainers, headgasket, head bolts, rings, bearings etc.

he doesnt come on much since he sold his car but suieclipse was dynoing 337 and supposedly the guy he sold it to got it to over 400

Originally posted by awddynamite
honest to god, if someone is willing to put money on it i will pull my motor apart and prove what is done to the motor, it is stock, stock pistons, rods, cams, springs, retainers, headgasket, head bolts, rings, bearings etc.

since you will be pulling it apart soon anyway go for it

Yea bro, that's a little much for stock internals. If you did do that, great, but it won't last long. Your going to have to have one hell of a 60 ft. time to pull off mid to low twelves.

I don't doubt what you say, but your engine is going to blow very soon if you keep running that amount of boost on a stock motor. I guess have fun while it lasts.

I think many fail to understand why a motor dies. Our motors do not tend to throw rods or anything completely destructive such as many domestic motors I've delt with. We run a hyper. type piston that really can withstand some abuse. It is when detonation of either a hot spot, too early or too late ignition, or simply not enough fuel magnifies a weak spot in a piston (shallow ring lands). He's obviously got the right tuning capabilities may have to make many trips to a dyno to get it right. Maybe we have another freak. If he is willing to push the envelope like many of the guys that started here (Murix, Dino, ect..) then I say go for it.

Originally posted by awddynamite
i will be running it on the 22nd, i am hoping for mid to low 12s on 24.5 inch M&H slicks of course.

I don't know how long the stock axles wll hold up against 300whp and big slicks

I dunno but we have a lot of Honda boys up here making 300+ whp on their stock bottom ends boosting 12, 14, 15psi and driving around like that for a long time. Maybe it'll be okay.

Flashback to Chickenfucker at the Shootout in 2004...

bumbitty-bumpbumpbumpbump-brrrrRRRRRRROOOOOOOWWWWW *CRACK!*.....



Hey, Thura. Since your car is dead, can I snag that axle?

:thumbsup

16psi on stock internals is not going to last long, imo.

Originally posted by BumpinTalon
I dunno but we have a lot of Honda boys up here making 300+ whp on their stock bottom ends boosting 12, 14, 15psi and driving around like that for a long time. Maybe it'll be okay.

Since when are 420A motors anything like Honda motors? They are built a lot better and WAY more people have boosted them so they have blown plenty of motors before and have learned from other peoples mistakes. There are still things people are figuring out w/ these motors.

Here is a pic of me testing out my new Slicks, couple more days till I have some times.

Originally posted by Dualgen2

Originally posted by BumpinTalon I dunno but we have a lot of Honda boys up here making 300+ whp on their stock bottom ends boosting 12, 14, 15psi and driving around like that for a long time. Maybe it'll be okay.

Since when are 420A motors anything like Honda motors? They are built a lot better and WAY more people have boosted them so they have blown plenty of motors before and have learned from other peoples mistakes. There are still things people are figuring out w/ these motors.

supposedly Hondas can only take 250whp on the stock bottom end.. but these local guys are flying right in the face of that and their cars have been going for years. the same thing probably goes for us as well.

Originally posted by awddynamite
i was just wondering what has been the fastest and the most whp on 420aT's, i have a esi with a t3t4 garrett, portfueler with 500cc injectors, aeromotive 1:1 regulator, 24-10-3 intercooler, halmann boost controller, and a spec stage 3 clutch, everthing else is stock. my car put down 308whp and 305ftlbs at 16psi and has been up and running for about 2 months now, no need to tell me what i should do with my car =, I AM WELL AWARE OF WHAT THE LIMITS SHOULD BE!!

man i thought i recognized those #S what up nutsack lol. cant wait to see that thing run on wendsday!!

Gor any new times or dyno charts :wary

Originally posted by Blizare
Gor any new times or dyno charts :wary

i will have be running it this wednesday, and i will try to get someone to scan the dyno sheet and the timeslips for me.

Originally posted by awddynamite

Originally posted by Blizare Gor any new times or dyno charts :wary

i will have be running it this wednesday, and i will try to get someone to scan the dyno sheet and the timeslips for me.

Yea cause that would just help a lot here as in PROOF!!!. and maybe convince me to turn up the boost some more :)

just got back from the track, the first run was better than i would expect it was a 12.6 @ 108mph with a 1.859 60ft
the second run of the night went like this
1.78360ft
5.148 330
7.963 1/8
87.22 mph
10.407 1000ft
12.476 1/4
108.03 mph
i thought i had broke my tranny but actually the c-clip shook off somewhere down the 12.4 run, we fixed it and then my friend got the last pass of 12.7 @107mph.
i will try to have the slips and dyno stuff scanned soon but there was a witness who is on this board rssmokedu or something like that.
I SHOULD HAVE THEM UP SOON!

dude, i gotta give you props. Can't believe we have someone here running 12s on a stock 420a block. Even tho it won't last long, you now have something to brag about. How are you axels doing?

axles held up fin, everthing is good on the car, drove it home and all. starting to think about building it and going for low 11s high 10s, but we will see!!

You know I must give you a thumbs up for being different and trying(and doing) all this on a stock motor. That said. The downside of someone seeing this thread is that now you will have every Tom, Dick and Harry out there who has a portfueller and frontmount thinking they don't need a built bottom end to support the higher power levels.

So for all of you out there that think you can just throw larger injectors and a front mount on you car, be warned this is NOT the recomended path that should be taken. It only takes one little sniff of detonation and one or more of the ring lands will break.

definately good times, do you have an lsd? I'm surprised the axles held up with slicks, anyways a 1.7 60' is kick ass congrats, 108 is what I trapped now if i can only get my 60' down to that that would kick ass

the tranny has no lsd, maybe if i decide to go further with the car and build the motor, pnp and build the valvetrain, i will install an lsd at the same time.

Originally posted by RxR_Eclipse
You know I must give you a thumbs up for being different and trying(and doing) all this on a stock motor. That said. The downside of someone seeing this thread is that now you will have every Tom, Dick and Harry out there who has a portfueller and frontmount thinking they don't need a built bottom end to support the higher power levels. So for all of you out there that think you can just throw larger injectors and a front mount on you car, be warned this is NOT the recomended path that should be taken. It only takes one little sniff of detonation and one or more of the ring lands will break.

yeah you are right about that but i dont think that is high power levels, with a built motor i dont see a problem at all getting 450+whp with supporting mods. most people just think i just threw on a turbo and turned the boost to 16psi and blam 300+, that is not at all true and probably would not have been able to get to that level with some shitty fmu, imo the portfueler is a pretty good route to go and advise people to go that route instead of an fmu. NOT SAYING ANYONE CAN TUNE WITH THE R4 PROGRAM BUT IS GOOD IF SOMEONE HAS KNOWLEDGE WITH FUEL MAPS AND ACCESS TO A DYNO!!
PEACE AND THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENTS!

First and foremost, my compliments and praise for running that much power on a stock bottom end. It also looks like you can drive too :) I hope the car holds up, as those are very nice numbers. Congrats!

Three questions:

First: What type of turbo? I know you said T3/T4, but are you willing to share any more about it?

Second: Why is your name awddynamite?

Third: Have you gotten a chance to post the timeslips?

Thanks much,
Brian

Originally posted by ForceFed420a
First and foremost, my compliments and praise for running that much power on a stock bottom end. It also looks like you can drive too :) I hope the car holds up, as those are very nice numbers. Congrats! Three questions: First: What type of turbo? I know you said T3/T4, but are you willing to share any more about it? Second: Why is your name awddynamite? Third: Have you gotten a chance to post the timeslips? Thanks much, Brian

it is a standard garrett t3t4 60 trim with a 63ar hotside, i picked that name because my real race car is a 91 awd talon which has almost 700whp and hopefully soon around 900whp, but untill that is up i will be fucking around with the 420a and i havent gotten my friend to scan them yet.

Cool, thanks much.


Brian

So far this is just talk. Really now. You would be doing everyone a favor by posting a dynochart.

It's not that I don't believe you or anything, I just want to see it. No one has gone this far on a stock motor and it would pretty much be the thread of the year if you posted all the info on your setup w/ dyno/timeslips.

If I could meet you in person I would shake your hand. :thumbsup

Post some pics of your ride then...


Congrats if you did this, but until you start posting shit... I'm skeptical



Nick
97RS

Excellent numbers. I'm surprised the stock piston/rings held up though. I'd be careful if I were you; statistically, our stock engine doesn't fair well above 12 psi.

i havent gotten someone to scan the slip and dyno sheet yet but i got the video up, here is the link for all the non believers!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/983DAF82-2415-49EE-9560-750DA52FF4C7.htm

i am going to the track this friday, hoping for better numbers this time around. maybe 12.2s

Wow and imagine if your motor was built and you could push more psi.. Jealous much? I am...

Originally posted by awddynamite
i havent gotten someone to scan the slip and dyno sheet yet but i got the video up, here is the link for all the non believers! http://videos.streetfire.net/video/983DAF82-2415-49EE-9560-750DA52FF4C7.htm i am going to the track this friday, hoping for better numbers this time around. maybe 12.2s

Nice times, congrats on the runs and your setup. Hopefully i can finally see what my times i will be getting when i finish redoing my setup and get my license back. I am running 16psi, i am looking for 12's and better get it.

thanks, im probably gonna build it and get an extra head so i can give it to baker cylinder heads to do some pnp, i have no rev limit so i might go gt35r and see what i can do with that.
only time will tell

Wholly crap dude you can drive!!!!!! I have no dought with a good tune the bottom will hold that much psi. You are the first person I can think of that boosted thier 420a and installed ems at or around the same time on a stock block. Most people boost the stock motor with a sfmu or fmu. Then blow it up. Then build it. Then if they want more(most do) they go ems. Props dude. Now paint your bumper. lol

Originally posted by awddynamite
thanks, im probably gonna build it and get an extra head so i can give it to baker cylinder heads to do some pnp, i have no rev limit so i might go gt35r and see what i can do with that. only time will tell

I am going with the GT35 turbo next year. Good luck with the setup, and keep us updated. I am gonna push this SC61 up to 25psi and get used to everything and then upgrade. A friend of mine has an SRT4 with a GT40 and it pulls like hell and i wouldnt mind having a GT35.

If you don't have LSD how did you not pull a 1 wheel wonder in the burnout box? Nice run regaurdless...:thumbsup

yea that was a good burnout for no LSD

While in the burnout box you turn your wheel left and right real fast. Its a common practice for most peg legged FWD guys who have been racing for more than a week. Also I do my burnouts in Second gear which is usually two fast for just one tire to spin.

i knwe bout turning the wheel but the second gear thing is new to me!

damn good run. Just goes to show what a stock 420a motor can do.:thumbsup

haha it's funny his motor is holding up to 16 psi and yours pooped out at 5.

nice job! we need some more pics of that thing!

That is a nice run! Keep it up! Post some engine bay pictures.
What was your 60 foot time? My best on BFG Radial is been 1.9 sec.
You shoul be in the 1.7 sec, right?

first run was a 1.859 60ft
second run was a 1.783 60ft

I'm still in disbelief, but fucking hell, congratulations.

Curious, what fuel octane, and what ignition (msd?) were you using?

You're definitely the first. Only other person that has pushed a stock block that far is Tommyboy, and I believe he maxed out at 12psi.

could I ask for a copy of your fuel map for the 16 psi you are running?

Originally posted by thedawg
I'm still in disbelief, but fucking hell, congratulations. Curious, what fuel octane, and what ignition (msd?) were you using? You're definitely the first. Only other person that has pushed a stock block that far is Tommyboy, and I believe he maxed out at 12psi.

I too ran 12-14psi w/ SFMU on stock block for over 3 years starting back back in 2001.(the posts are in the archives somewhere). Regardless, there is much to commended on if it is completely legit.
Keep up the good work and added faith to this community!


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know me as santiago
boosted 420a and ej2o..(my 2liter v8 eaters)

Originally posted by awddynamite
i havent gotten someone to scan the slip and dyno sheet yet but i got the video up, here is the link for all the non believers! http://videos.streetfire.net/video/983DAF82-2415-49EE-9560-750DA52FF4C7.htm i am going to the track this friday, hoping for better numbers this time around. maybe 12.2s

I didn't see the link until now, but I, coincidentally, came across that video on Streetfire.net last night, and was just about to post who's car it was. Great run & launch!!

I don't have LSD's either, and turning the wheels left & right definitely helps (of course I still can't launch anything < a 2.0 60 ft. :( ) I'll keep the 2nd gear burnout in mind.

Congrats man....real good job. Please post up the dyno sheet.

i never thought i would see the day that someone got that much power out of a stock block and ran that kind of time, good job.

so... um, dyno sheets?

teeeheee still dont beleave him imo

Originally posted by donnyb373
teeeheee still dont beleave him imo

what is there not to believe? the video is up SORRY I DONT HAVE A SCANNER OR ACCESS TO ONE AT THIS TIME, I WILL TRY AND GET IT UP.

i still will say if you would like i will tear the motor down if someone is willing to come here and make it worth my while, otherwise after i tear it down to rebuild it, i will take pics while the process is in process!!

i believe ya. Did you end up running the car again?

I don't.

I want video of you in the car with the two forms of picture id, your mother with your birth certificate and a cop with your fingerprints. and you singing "piss on you". with pictures of you and the car. And the time slips, and dyno sheets with a notary stamping both of them.

Originally posted by Graph-X
I don't. I want video of you in the car with the two forms of picture id, your mother with your birth certificate and a cop with your fingerprints. and you singing "piss on you". with pictures of you and the car. And the time slips, and dyno sheets with a notary stamping both of them.

Give it a rest dude.

I believe it only after the video at the track.

Why is it so hard to believe. We know it won't last very long but I totally think it's do-able.

Originally posted by Blizare

Originally posted by Graph-X I don't. I want video of you in the car with the two forms of picture id, your mother with your birth certificate and a cop with your fingerprints. and you singing "piss on you". with pictures of you and the car. And the time slips, and dyno sheets with a notary stamping both of them.

Give it a rest dude. I believe it only after the video at the track. Why is it so hard to believe. We know it won't last very long but I totally think it's do-able.

Exactly, just because it hasn't been done before dosent mean its imposible.

OMG, calm down... It's a joke. Don't any of you watch Chapelle Show?

Originally posted by Graph-X
OMG, calm down... It's a joke. Don't any of you watch Chapelle Show?

Chap-what? never heard of it... :P

There was a time when people said 1g rod couldnt handle anything past 400hp.. Several cars making 600hp on stock blocks. All in the tune and a little luck.

Congrats man!

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Originally posted by 96rs-t
i believe ya. Did you end up running the car again?

yeah i ran it again about two weeks ago and i ran a little better, it went 12.44 @ 109.6mph and i plan on running it again on the 26th for the last time with a stock motor, i will be ordering all the motor stuff and sending the head to baker heads for some serious power.
I am going for the record in these cars then going back to my 1st gen, and using my 500whp 420a dsm for a daily!!

Originally posted by awddynamite
I am going for the record in these cars and using my 500whp 420a dsm for a daily!!

I know you don't need it, but you got my support. We've had a few pioneers on this board & we could always keep adding to the list.

good luck, hope you reach your goal.

Congrats man. It's about time I see some guys laying some times down with the NT's. Thats a nice healthy run right there and will only get better I am sure.

I'm sceptical still...

Engine bay pics please. That camcorder you used to shoot the video should have still shot capabilities, right?

DAAMNN! Sweet numbers and times. Mad props yo and post some shots/ videos of your 1g. Cant wait to see what you get after your build up.

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