Im curious if any of you could give me an estimate on how much hp/whp is possible with my current setup that I am building as of now.

Obviously a 420A turbo setup

Block - Stock bore, Eagle Long rods, ARP rod bolts, JE Pistons 8.6, Total Seal rings, Clevite bearings, Melling oil pump

Head - milled (.005), ported and polished, 3 angle valve job w/ARP head studs, stock cams but possible stage 2 Crower Cams soon.

Intake - stock but also ported

Turbo set up - 14b ported, waste to atmosphere, custom log manifold, 2.5 aluminum piping, Turbo XS RFL, Turbo XS Dual Stage Boost control, 14lb actuator, Missing Link, FMIC from SRT-4, 2.5 downpipe, 3" turn down at bottom of downpipe (race only), no cat, 3" exhaust Magnaflow w/Magnaflow Race Muffler (daily driving)

Fuel set up - Portfueler Stage 4 kit w/Walbro 255 tuned in to 12.5 A/F with wideband O2 and digital read out and of course the Recal. kit for the Fueler

I am looking to run 14lbs daily driving on 93 octane and 22lbs racing with 114 octane. I know the 14b isnt the best choice but I think its a great start. But Im curious on what everyone thinks I will get when it comes to whp.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
Im curious if any of you could give me an estimate on how much hp/whp is possible with my current setup that I am building as of now.

I estimate you should quit the benchracing and just take your shit to a dyno to find out for real. If you can afford to turbocharge and rebuild, you can pop another $50 for a couple pulls with wideband. :rolleyes

Originally posted by DR1665

Originally posted by RicecarRST Im curious if any of you could give me an estimate on how much hp/whp is possible with my current setup that I am building as of now.

I estimate you should quit the benchracing and just take your shit to a dyno to find out for real. If you can afford to turbocharge and rebuild, you can pop another $50 for a couple pulls with wideband. :rolleyes

I couldn't have said it better myself. :)

Well I could have, but I would have probably sounded like an ASSHOLE! :thumbsup

WOW! Thanks for the estimate. I will put it on a dyno when its all said and done. Although Im sorry to say but asking for an estimate isnt benchracing. Claiming hp#'s without dyno sheet is benchracing. Basically Id like to see if anyone has a similiar set up and what kind of numbers they came up with. What they ran into and possible fuel maps. Im sorry for asking maybe I came to the wrong site or someting but I thought this was here to help others with 420A setups.
If youd like to help please do. Im just looking for feedback. Im not some little teenager I have been into building motors and drag racing for 15 years just not with this type of setup. So please reply with a little dignity and respect. Thank you for your constructive criticism.
I do have my own wideband O2 with read out so I dont need a dyno with wideband. I need input on fuel mapping with the Portfueler and possible numbers.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
Im sorry to say but asking for an estimate isnt benchracing.

So what you're saying is, you aren't asking for an estimate of how much horsepower you can make on this set up, rather a range you might find yourself in or something? In that case, I'm going to take the lower compression, inexperience at 420A tuning, and small turbo into consideration and just throw out 180-220hp. Better? And why are you sorry to say this?

Originally posted by RicecarRST
Claiming hp#'s without dyno sheet is benchracing.

Taking a set up, which can be tuned an almost infinite amount of different ways, and asking for "how much hp can I expect" is bench racing. It's a step above asking what sort of times to expect your first outing to the track with it.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
Basically Id like to see if anyone has a similiar set up and what kind of numbers they came up with. What they ran into and possible fuel maps.

I don't think anyone else around here running a 14b has a Portfueler. I could be wrong, though. It happens a lot.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
Im sorry for asking maybe I came to the wrong site or someting but I thought this was here to help others with 420A setups.

Pfft. The sarcasm is weak in this one. Don't make me smack you.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
If youd like to help please do. Im just looking for feedback.

Okay. You forgot an apostrophe there, chief.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
Im not some little teenager I have been into building motors and drag racing for 15 years just not with this type of setup.

So you know that it's a mute question to ask. Especially if you're just going to use this little snail to break in the motor and learn your tuning. To me, it would seem pretty damn pointless to bother spending time setting up maps for a turbo you have no intentions of running longer than a month or so. Just get the turbo you want to run and deal with your issues as you have to.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
So please reply with a little dignity and respect.

Both are earned. While your reply is more level-headed than most in your position, I hate sarcasm. And I think Blair was asking for this.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
Thank you for your constructive criticism.

You are quite welcome.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
I do have my own wideband O2 with read out so I dont need a dyno with wideband.

That is becoming more and more common these days, but I felt it necessary to mention it in case you were another teenager with illusions of grandeur.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
I need input on fuel mapping with the Portfueler and possible numbers.

Hm. You might try searching this forum for anything regarding Portfueler or maybe even titling your post "Looking for Portfueler map information." The subject of this thread has benchracing written all over it whether you like it or not.

Ah well. It's Friday. It's 3/11. It's payday. Enjoy it and take my chiding in stride. At the very least, it's good to see another person interested in building up a 2GNT. :thumbsup



And Blair? You could never fill my shoes. LOL

yeah no more b-racing

Why are you going to spend all of that money on your setup and plan on using a 14b @ 22psi :shrug

YOu should at least get a 16g if you are going to use the same flange

I plan on using the 14b because I have one. I am going to use this turbo to break in the motor and learn my Portfueler or until I can afford to get a much bigger turbo.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
I plan on using the 14b because I have one. I am going to use this turbo to break in the motor and learn my Portfueler or until I can afford to get a much bigger turbo.

Sell it on scambay and save your money for a month or so and you can have a 16G.

SEARCH is your friend. This has good info on what others have, quite a few posted dyno #'s

http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=80274&mode=full

When I decide to switch the turbo I wont waste my time with a S16G. It will have to be much bigger. Im thinking a Precision Turbo I think its the GT35. But for now I have a 14b so thats what Im using.

do it right the first time around.

Brian, I hate when you do that. lol. But at least it wasn't quoting me this time. :P :P

EDIT: BTW, yourcar will have 384 hP. I just calculated it on my "This is a waste of my time" calculator

:wary

Originally posted by Blizare
Brian, I hate when you do that. lol. But at least it wasn't quoting me this time. :P :P EDIT: BTW, yourcar will have 384 hP. I just calculated it on my "This is a waste of my time" calculator :wary

Dood, I came up with 468whp what's wrong with your calculator?

i dont think you are going to dyno much of anything considering how that 14b is so small.

i just dont get why people get so worked up about horsepower numbers. if you ask me, track times are much more important. i cant stand hearing people throw around hp numbers. like this douche in my class tells a kid with a WRX that he will gain 35hp from exhaust, i told him it would be more like 5-10, but i was wrong :rolleyes or when i dood with this civic told me it was 140hp stock, his intake and exhaust put him to 175... when i hear people throw around hp numbers, i cringe and it makes me think there people like the above... :nono just go find out on the dyno, or take it to the track.

4,908 watts

Originally posted by GSGoinFast
i just dont get why people get so worked up about horsepower numbers. if you ask me, track times are much more important.

Horsepower = size of dick.
ET = how good you are with it.
Lateral Gs = tantric sex. LOL.

you guys are funny. thanks for the morning laugh.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
i wont waste my time with a S16G.

Esqooze a me? "waste my time with a 16G?" For you, Sir...

Hey Brian, for the record, it is a "moot point," rather than a "mute point."

;)

Originally posted by Ducking_Fumbass
Hey Brian, for the record, it is a "moot point," rather than a "mute point." ;)

LMAO!! smacketh downeth.

Originally posted by djtrickee

Originally posted by Ducking_Fumbass Hey Brian, for the record, it is a "moot point," rather than a "mute point." ;)

LMAO!! smacketh downeth.

Damnit. I know that! WTF! :doh

Originally posted by DR1665

Originally posted by djtrickee

Originally posted by Ducking_Fumbass Hey Brian, for the record, it is a "moot point," rather than a "mute point." ;)

LMAO!! smacketh downeth.

Damnit. I know that! WTF! :doh

lol. in todays "How to cover your ass 101" we see Dr attempt at a backpedal....

Originally posted by djtrickee

Originally posted by DR1665

Originally posted by djtrickee

Originally posted by Ducking_Fumbass Hey Brian, for the record, it is a "moot point," rather than a "mute point." ;)

LMAO!! smacketh downeth.

Damnit. I know that! WTF! :doh

lol. in todays "How to cover your ass 101" we see Dr attempt at a backpedal....

Stay tuned for Ripley's Believe It Or Not, where we will see that DR does, in fact know the differencet between moot and mute. All this and Tantric, Lateral G-forces tonight at ten on 2GNT. :+

Originally posted by DR1665
differencet

yup.

As for the original poster, I guess 312whp.

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by DR1665 differencet

yup. As for the original poster, I guess 312whp.

no way. No. way. I would guess 313whp.

Originally posted by djtrickee

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by DR1665 differencet

yup. As for the original poster, I guess 312whp.

no way. No. way. I would guess 313whp.

Woah woah woah, you are way out of line here, how the hell did you come up with those numbers? :nuts

Originally posted by djtrickee

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by DR1665 differencet

yup. As for the original poster, I guess 312whp.

no way. No. way. I would guess 313whp.

Dammit. Just noticed that today. Fuckin a. And I say 311hp... at the alternator.

And Aaron, lateral Gs have everything to do with horsepower and quartermile times. Give me a break. :rolleyes I'm pretty sure you want absolutely ZERO lateral Gs when on a dyno or flying down the track. :P So they are something which could kill you, thus something important relating to hp and times.

Originally posted by DR1665

Originally posted by GSGoinFast i just dont get why people get so worked up about horsepower numbers. if you ask me, track times are much more important.

Horsepower = size of dick. ET = how good you are with it. Lateral Gs = tantric sex. LOL.

Yet, lateral g force has absolutely NOTHING to do with horsepower, torque, or any engine modification what-so-ever.

Originally posted by DR1665
Lateral Gs = tantric sex. LOL.

tell me about it }(

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Originally posted by RicecarRST
When I decide to switch the turbo I wont waste my time with a S16G. It will have to be much bigger. Im thinking a Precision Turbo I think its the GT35. But for now I have a 14b so thats what Im using.

Not too flame you dood but you picked the wrong car to be using a GT35R in.
What do you think you are going to accomplish on the street with a turbo that big? IF this is going to be a drag only car or large high speed track car than it may be okay. I can spin all four on my Evo with a GT35R on launch, I dont think it will do too well on a fwd car and be prepared for some big time lag on a 2.0l, about 4400-4600 rpm spool up.

Originally posted by RicecarRST
14b ported

With the amount of money and fuel management that's supposedly going into your car the best you can do for a turbo is a 14b? You could max that piece of shit out with an SFMU...you don't need MS or the PortFueler for that. :wary

Originally posted by RicecarRST
FMIC from SRT-4

Good fucking luck. Here is a pic of the stocker:



It's going to be a huge pain in the ass to work with those cast fucking end tanks that point IN. That's just to name that problem. The mount points are going to be way off as well.

Originally posted by Uberingram
You could max that piece of shit out with an SFMU...you don't need MS or the PortFueler for that.

purely subjective

MS is the shit, even for an NA 2gnt :thumbsup

Originally posted by turbo8u

Originally posted by Uberingram You could max that piece of shit out with an SFMU...you don't need MS or the PortFueler for that.

purely subjective MS is the shit, even for an NA 2gnt :thumbsup

I know full well the benefits of both and would wholly encourage them to someone that knows what they're doing and wanting a challenge but not when it doesn't warrant them. MS is some serious stuff and I wouldn't recommend it to a knob that's only interested in bench racing with a piece of shit 14b.

the 14b isnt really that bad of a turbo, better than a t25 thats fosho

Originally posted by turbo8u
the 14b isnt really that bad of a turbo, better than a t25 thats fosho

Meh. Better than that thing they call a turbo hanging off the head of my car stock. LOL

isnt the turbo like integrated into the manifold or some shit? and isnt it like a TD04somethingsomething-16G-somethingsomething?

oh yeah, original poster
you will get

197 whp
and
204 wftlbs

according to my get a real fucking turbo calculator

Man, I can't believe I just read this whole post. Funny shit. *note to self, don't piss anyone off* :D
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Originally posted by 97whitESi
isnt the turbo like integrated into the manifold or some shit? and isnt it like a TD04somethingsomething-16G-somethingsomething?

If you're refering to the stock SRT-4 then yes. I can't remember the code either...TD04K16G I think it was. Tiny little fucker.

I'll take 1hp Bob.

I don't think this post will ever die! :)