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Topic subjectAlternative to BKR7E plug
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80596, Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by neovb, Dec-20-04 03:15 AM
Ive been trying them forever, but I suppose no one carries the NGK BKR7E plugs anymore. So I managed to find another plug that supposedly is equivalent. I got it at NAPA, its an AC Delco plug P/N AC FR1LS. Anyone know if this is the same as the NGK? I need a colder heat range plug ASAP. Thanks for the help guys.
80597, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by siueclipse, Dec-20-04 03:23 AM
Oreilly Auto Parts carrys that plug.
80598, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by MrSlick, Dec-20-04 04:19 AM
Advance Auto carries the NGK plugs... but NGK changed the part numbers... so you need to cross-reference the part instore...
80599, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by MrSlick, Dec-20-04 04:28 AM
Oh, and I would never use AC Delco plugs :)

And I run BKR6E plugs... they work perfectly fine... at 20psi daily :)

You could try looking for the NGK plug that Mopar spec'd out for the SRT-4... ;) NGK LTZTR5A-13
80601, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by neovb, Dec-20-04 04:33 AM
Sweet, thanks for the info! BTW, whats bad about the Delco plugs?
80602, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by MrSlick, Dec-20-04 05:16 AM
Originally posted by neovb
Sweet, thanks for the info! BTW, whats bad about the Delco plugs?


They're not NGK's :)
80606, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by thedawg, Dec-20-04 07:47 AM
sparkplugs.com
80616, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by eclipse982nrRST, Dec-20-04 11:56 AM
you can get BKR7E-11's from www.summitracing.com
80623, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by neovb, Dec-20-04 02:30 PM
Whats the difference between the BKR7E and the BKR7E-11 plugs?
80644, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by thedawg, Dec-21-04 04:07 AM
The gap is wrong and uncorrectable on the -11 plug. You want the regular BKR7E for turbo 420a applications.
80650, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by neovb, Dec-21-04 07:40 AM
Sweet, Ill try out the delco plugs and see how they are. Any recommendations on what to gap them to? Super16 @ 8psi, Screamin Demon Coil, DIS-2, MSD 8.5mm wires.
80656, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by eclipse982nrRST, Dec-21-04 10:45 AM
I thought turbo'd 420a's use the -11's
80667, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by baxsom, Dec-21-04 11:25 PM
i read on one of these posts
i am not sure if it were here or at dsmtuners.com
that the -11 had too far of a gap
if you had a stock ignition
and the extra compression from the turbo would blow out the spark
80673, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by etx, Dec-22-04 03:43 AM
Originally posted by baxsom
i read on one of these posts i am not sure if it were here or at dsmtuners.com that the -11 had too far of a gap if you had a stock ignition and the extra compression from the turbo would blow out the spark


Stock gap is .04. I don't believe NGK Changed the part number, they just have part numbers and stock numbers so you have to look in the book for the right stock number.
80683, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by thedawg, Dec-22-04 10:34 AM
Originally posted by baxsom
the -11 had too far of a gap


http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=26&topic_id=342&mesg_id=342&page=
80684, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by neovb, Dec-22-04 11:07 AM
Just to update, I did install those Delco plugs, pregapped at .040 and they work like a charm.
80691, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by etx, Dec-22-04 02:56 PM
Originally posted by neovb
Just to update, I did install those Delco plugs, pregapped at .040 and they work like a charm.


Your spark isn't going to hold up very well under boost with a gap that large. ;)
80705, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by neovb, Dec-22-04 07:41 PM
Are you sure? I have a Screamin Demon coil and a DIS-2. Should I set the gap to .030? The car seems to have plenty of power at .040.
80709, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by MrSlick, Dec-23-04 02:31 AM
Originally posted by neovb
Are you sure? I have a Screamin Demon coil and a DIS-2. Should I set the gap to .030? The car seems to have plenty of power at .040.


I'd go with closer to .030 for sure.
I hand gap mine to about that, if not smaller.
80712, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by thedawg, Dec-23-04 04:27 AM
Originally posted by MrSlick
I'd go with closer to .030 for sure. I hand gap mine to about that, if not smaller.


Not to beat a dead horse, but...

Manufacturers don't recommend adjusting the spark plug gap more than .008". The reason for this is the ground electrode and center electrode won't line up properly, hindering spark plug performance.

http://tinyurl.com/2pzgc
80730, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by turbo8u, Dec-23-04 08:35 AM
ok so what should we gap our plugs to? now im confused. i normally just put in 7e plugs and dont have any problems
80732, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by neovb, Dec-23-04 09:48 AM
I will regap to .035 and see what happens :)
80744, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by Nitrous_RS1997, Dec-23-04 06:04 PM
BKR7E-11's are gapped already at what you would want a turbocharged cars plugs to be gapped it, least in our case. they are the ones ive used for over 4 years now. never re-gapped em.


1997 Silver RS
Built
T3/T4 BB Turbo
20psi
Most current 1/8th mile time: 8.1@93mph 2.015 60'
1996 Black Supra TT
2004 Silver Snake
80755, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by jamesman, Dec-26-04 04:50 AM
from my testing in my car with a programmable dis2 and 17 psi boost using beru silverston s3f plugs, the best performance i have had is with a .032-.035 gap. At .040 I notice some high boost high end missing and anything lower than .030 i think is just too damn small.

lates
James Liang
80783, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by thedawg, Dec-27-04 05:32 AM
Originally posted by Nitrous_RS1997
BKR7E-11's are gapped already at what you would want a turbocharged cars plugs to be gapped it


WRONG, sorry. Please check your facts.

BKR7E's are gapped at what you want our cars (when turbocharged) to be at.
BKR7E-11's are gapped WRONG, .045 is a NON-TURBO GAP!

The BKR7E plug comes out of the box at .028. If you have an ignition system, you can experiment with widening the gap up to .036 safely.
80784, RE: Alternative to BKR7E plug
Posted by neovb, Dec-27-04 06:56 AM
Pulled the plug and regapped to .035. The car runs great, but I didnt really notice a difference between .040 or .035, same low and high end performance. The cars going on a dyno soon, Ill see what happens.

BTW, the delco plugs came pregapped at .040.