Ill take pics as soon as its gets here.

I ordered the entire fuel system and software.

I also ordered the new 3" downpipe.

Most of the parts should be shipped early next week, but some wont show up till late next week.

Well see...

James

Sweet, Keep us posted.

shit dude you just up and spend all that money? i wish i was a baller like you

You my friend are a lucky suma ma biotch. Post pics asap. :)

james, is the new exhaust out for sale to everyone now, or did you get it for early for testing? i didnt see it on the web sight.

its not out to the public yet.. neither is the fuel system.

James

PRICE PRICE PRICE can you spill the beans??

They said the whole thing will be around 1000, and jsut the plate wiht hardware for around 300. They said they wouldn't sell it for another 3-4 weeks, atleast thats what they told me.

nm


95 Eclipse RS : 5 speed
15.7 @ 87.9mph
Jeep TB writeup - http://www.dimensia.com:81/jimbo/JeepTBfor2gnt.html

Originally posted by siueclipse
its not out to the public yet.. neither is the fuel system. James

Looks public to me

http://www.hahnracecraft.com/auto/engine/fuel%20injectors.htm

Originally posted by siueclipse
its not out to the public yet.. neither is the fuel system. James

Yes they are. They are both available to anyone from that calls Bill. He's been tring to sell me the 3" downpipe, I just don't have the cash right now. I need it but I'm gonna have to wait. The outlet on the turbine is only 2.25 inches anyways, and my exhaust is a 2.5.

If someone calls hrc and asks to buy the pieces, they don't have them for sale yet. The only people that have been offered these kits are people who receive calls from bill.. Not to Bill..

Either way, it doesn't matter.

I have one coming.

DAMNIT. If I knew this thing would have been avaiable in time for the SO I wouldn't have hacked up my manifold with 4 more holes.

Bill told me he was going to make up a batch of these fuel systems to keep in stock so they will be ready for us when we order them since there is so much hype...

Originally posted by Super20G
since there is so much hype...

its ALL hype

They must be available in quantities now, because I got a call from Bill on Saturday and I could have ordered one right then on the spot.

me to, i just need to pay off the credit card first. he called me sat
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I want someone that has had the EIC setup and compares it to this HRC setup, to give some pro's and con's of each. It sounds the same to me excepy different software and different mounting types. I'm sure HRC's is gonna be the most favorable, but I'd like to know the real differences.

I don't think we'll get a good comparison until someone installs the HRC setup. It sounds like the standard 8 injector setup and HRC setup will have similar capabilities and limitations. I would say that the HRC setup will eliminate alot of the headaches and labor associated with a standard 8 injector setup. With HRC, you won't have to source parts, drill the manifold, fab bosses, fab brackets, and create your own fuel maps. They've done the hard work for you. It sounds like you can just install and drive. Then, if you feel the urge, you could play with the settings to fine tune it. Thats my take on it.

Corbin

'95 ESI-T
HRC+FMIC+ETC...



Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

Originally posted by Corbin
I don't think we'll get a good comparison until someone installs the HRC setup. It sounds like the standard 8 injector setup and HRC setup will have similar capabilities and limitations. I would say that the HRC setup will eliminate alot of the headaches and labor associated with a standard 8 injector setup. With HRC, you won't have to source parts, drill the manifold, fab bosses, fab brackets, and create your own fuel maps. They've done the hard work for you. It sounds like you can just install and drive. Then, if you feel the urge, you could play with the settings to fine tune it. Thats my take on it. Corbin '95 ESI-T HRC+FMIC+ETC... Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

Well said... you'll get about the same capabilities and draw backs at the end of the day... but the ease of use and install should be a lot better.

*Knock on wood*

BTW, Bill said they will start shipping kits next week, but are taking orders now.

Just out of curiosity, what is the average cost for the DIY 8-injector setup?

i should have mine by the end of this week.

Originally posted by MrSlick

Originally posted by Corbin I don't think we'll get a good comparison until someone installs the HRC setup. It sounds like the standard 8 injector setup and HRC setup will have similar capabilities and limitations. I would say that the HRC setup will eliminate alot of the headaches and labor associated with a standard 8 injector setup. With HRC, you won't have to source parts, drill the manifold, fab bosses, fab brackets, and create your own fuel maps. They've done the hard work for you. It sounds like you can just install and drive. Then, if you feel the urge, you could play with the settings to fine tune it. Thats my take on it. Corbin '95 ESI-T HRC+FMIC+ETC... Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

Well said... you'll get about the same capabilities and draw backs at the end of the day... but the ease of use and install should be a lot better.

In that case, I think I'll save myself alot of money and do the 8-Inj. I'll just depend on this site for help when I need it.

Originally posted by Super20G
*Knock on wood* BTW, Bill said they will start shipping kits next week, but are taking orders now. Just out of curiosity, what is the average cost for the DIY 8-injector setup?

$10-$100 for extra injectors (stock would be about almost free)
$20 extra stock fuel rail
$10 for fittings, fuel line
$40 for bungs
$100 for welding (optional...you can use epoxy)
$250 for EIC

About $400 - $450, I would estimate.

That's it, unless you don't have a jank-ass laptop. I bought mine a few years ago off ebay for about $30.

1:1 FPR $100 also

They few 8inj setups that have been sold here sold between $350-650 depending on the parts used.

you also have to keep in mind.. hrc is designing the system for people with stock injectors and they are supplying 500cc injectors.

well... 440cc injectors cost what.. about 300 bux? 500cc injectors have to be more.

James

If you're cheap, you split a set of 8 from Accel.

504 cc/min = $60 each

So thats $240 for a set of big secondaries. Either system will add up to decent money when all is said and done. If you choose to build it yourself, you'll make up the difference in blood, sweat, and tears.

Corbin

'95 ESI-T
HRC+FMIC+ETC...



Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

I have a set of 30# injectors, and still have my stockers. Could I reinstall my stockers and use the my 30's with HRC's setup? Will this be enough. I think the stock ones are like 220cc right? So that will still give me 500+ cc's of fuel under boost which should be plenty for my 16psi goal for next summer.

Yea the stock ones flow at about 234-238cc, where did u get ur injectors from...i need a set to complete my fuel system.thx

If you are looking for 30lb. injectors, Ebay has a few deals going on now. I think the best one I saw was like a set of 8, almost brand new, for like $150. Buy, sell the other 4 and you're golden.

Originally posted by Jerm23
I have a set of 30# injectors, and still have my stockers. Could I reinstall my stockers and use the my 30's with HRC's setup? Will this be enough. I think the stock ones are like 220cc right? So that will still give me 500+ cc's of fuel under boost which should be plenty for my 16psi goal for next summer.

You should keep in mind that HRC's controller is preset for certain size injectors. Any deviation from that and you'll have to do all the tuning yourself. You'd have to discuss the possiblilty of supplying the controller preset for a non-standard injector size. Or, you could just buy the portfueler plate and supply everything else yourself. You'll have to talk to HRC to determine the possibilities.

Corbin

'95 ESI-T
Now with more power and fewer leaks



Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

Originally posted by Corbin

Originally posted by Jerm23 I have a set of 30# injectors, and still have my stockers. Could I reinstall my stockers and use the my 30's with HRC's setup? Will this be enough. I think the stock ones are like 220cc right? So that will still give me 500+ cc's of fuel under boost which should be plenty for my 16psi goal for next summer.

You should keep in mind that HRC's controller is preset for certain size injectors. Any deviation from that and you'll have to do all the tuning yourself. You'd have to discuss the possiblilty of supplying the controller preset for a non-standard injector size. Or, you could just buy the portfueler plate and supply everything else yourself. You'll have to talk to HRC to determine the possibilities. Corbin '95 ESI-T Now with more power and fewer leaks Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

If the Hahn controller is anything like the Megasquirt... al you have to do is change one parameter to go from one injector size to the next...

I'm not sure if that is the case with the "Hahn" controller... but then I do know what controller it is... ;) That's all I'm saying on it.

There is likely one parameter that scales the entire fuel map. With some quick calculations, a person could determine what to change that number to. That would probably be good enough. However, it sounds like HRC has done some fine tuning for certain RPM points and load conditions. After swapping injectors and changing the scaling parameter, there may be some additional work required to restore the same level of driveability. That takes effort and skill. I am pointing out that a user should know that the units are preset for certain injectors and deviations from that design may require further input. What seems easy to you, may be quite difficult for someone new to PC fuel tuning. Perhaps I have too little faith...

Corbin

'95 ESI-T
Now with more power and fewer leaks



Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

Isn't it best to tune, regardless.

Jon

1997 Eclipse RS

12.671 @ 111.660 1.586 60' 5/28/04

www.haiokuracing.com

Originally posted by Corbin
There is likely one parameter that scales the entire fuel map. With some quick calculations, a person could determine what to change that number to. That would probably be good enough. However, it sounds like HRC has done some fine tuning for certain RPM points and load conditions. After swapping injectors and changing the scaling parameter, there may be some additional work required to restore the same level of driveability. That takes effort and skill. I am pointing out that a user should know that the units are preset for certain injectors and deviations from that design may require further input. What seems easy to you, may be quite difficult for someone new to PC fuel tuning. Perhaps I have too little faith... Corbin '95 ESI-T Now with more power and fewer leaks Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire

Time will tell... ;)

So.... The fuel system is still not able to be ordered... Hmm, I need a fuel system to start my motor now that the DFI is gone, eh...

Any new news?

if you want to start buildign the same system HRC is selling...thier brain box is a Split second AIC1. the only thing you would really need to buy would be the HRC injector spacer.


Terry

96 Eagle talon ESI
Greddy header - Greddy exhaust

97 Eclipse
Star Stage II - Boost/oil/EGT gauges - Apexi N1 3" exhaust - SFMU/return line - Apexi SAFC - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - ceramic intake - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: HKS EVC IV, 450 Turbo injectors, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)

Mitchell on Demand copies available

Originally posted by Super20G
So.... The fuel system is still not able to be ordered... Hmm, I need a fuel system to start my motor now that the DFI is gone, eh... Any new news?

I purchased mine 2 weeks ago and am still waiting on it. Supposidly Ill be getting the first one sold to the public so Bill can get some opinions on installation.. etc..

James

For the guys who went to the shootout, we actually got to check out the injector plate. Its pretty sweet indeed, and a very nice piece of machine work. Also checked it out installed on the HRC RS, and there is still tons of room for the intake mani and firewall area, and even there is room where the second rail mounts. I as others were told directly by Bill, that the injector plate with the fuel rail will be 250.00 I'm sold :)

It is true that you still can not order the new Port Fueler system. I have called two weeks ago and was told that all I could do was put my name on a call list. Once it is released, Bill Hahn is supposed to personally return your call.


I also called this week for a status update and I believe the receptionist (Melissa) said there is no official release date yet but I will receive a call when the product is ready.


I don't mind waiting to receive a trouble-free product and installation - I just hope it isn't months or years.


--Kurt

yeah. its not being released yet. Ive already paid for mine and still don't have the test model.

Originally posted by KTECLIPSE
I just hope it isn't months or years.

you are aware this fuel system was supposed to be out like last november right? we havent been doing anything BUT waiting for MONTHS :rolleyes

Originally posted by turbo8u

Originally posted by KTECLIPSE I just hope it isn't months or years.

you are aware this fuel system was supposed to be out like last november right? we havent been doing anything BUT waiting for MONTHS :rolleyes

I was around when the discussion started about Bill Hahn's new fuel system many months ago (maybe even a year). Since the information and piictures of it are finally on his web page, I would assume the new fuel system has to be much closer to the final version than it was in the past when the idea only started.

I'm all for releasing a quality/hassle-free product and I hope it is finished soon!


--Kurt

Originally posted by siueclipse
I purchased mine 2 weeks ago and am still waiting on it. Supposidly Ill be getting the first one sold to the public so Bill can get some opinions on installation.. etc.. James

Second, if you consider a 2gnt moderator "Public" ;-)

errrrrrrrrrr

price?

not having to do your own tuning (necessarily) = dont need datalogger or... spare hair to pull out of your head... which would be very nice

approx ~850 - 1000 depending on what you need... just roughly... its a spacer for the injectors, set of 500cc injectors, extra injector controller, nuts and bolts, oh and a 1:1 FPR if you need one...

Originally posted by Super20G
approx ~850 - 1000 depending on what you need... just roughly... its a spacer for the injectors, set of 500cc injectors, extra injector controller, nuts and bolts, oh and a 1:1 FPR if you need one...

dont forget the software to interface with the eic.

won't HRC need to change the programming based on compression ratios or camming/valve sizing as well? or is it going to be designed for stock longblocks?

dont know..

either way, thats why you purchase the software so you can fine tune it.

why 500cc injectors? you have your stock fuel system in place to take care of your N/A needs... 500+230/245 or whatever would be overkill wouldnt it?

Ghetto all you are getting is a Split second AIC1 and the nessasary fuel lines regulator injectors and hahns custom plate. Hahn is making up you base map based on what mods you have. Anything from there that you change you will tune via pc just like the 034. its really just the same thing people have been runnig with the 8 injector setup just hahn is giving you a map to run with, tech support and an easier way to install it. You are going to hav to fine tune it for any change you make. Its that or request a new map from hahn each time you change something. now keep in mine every motor is just a touch different so fine tuning is important once you get it installed.

This is the AIC being used
http://www.splitsec.com/products/aic1prod.htm

Terry

96 Eagle talon ESI
Greddy header - Greddy exhaust

97 Eclipse
Star Stage II - Boost/oil/EGT gauges - Apexi N1 3" exhaust - SFMU/return line - Apexi SAFC - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - ceramic intake - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: HKS EVC IV, 450 Turbo injectors, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)

Mitchell on Demand copies available

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
Ghetto all you are getting is a Split second AIC1 and the nessasary fuel lines regulator injectors and hahns custom plate. Hahn is making up you base map based on what mods you have. Anything from there that you change you will tune via pc just like the 034. its really just the same thing people have been runnig with the 8 injector setup just hahn is giving you a map to run with, tech support and an easier way to install it. You are going to hav to fine tune it for any change you make. Its that or request a new map from hahn each time you change something. now keep in mine every motor is just a touch different so fine tuning is important once you get it installed. This is the AIC being used http://www.splitsec.com/products/aic1prod.htm Terry 96 Eagle talon ESI Greddy header - Greddy exhaust 97 Eclipse Star Stage II - Boost/oil/EGT gauges - Apexi N1 3" exhaust - SFMU/return line - Apexi SAFC - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - ceramic intake - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks Waiting to be installed: HKS EVC IV, 450 Turbo injectors, GSX Front brakes (need rotors) Mitchell on Demand copies available

Does anyone besides HRC have personal experience with that AIC? I'm just wondering how that compares to the 034, regarding tuning/fine tuning, and fuel map tuning perameters..Just wondering which unit would be more suitable to our application...

does the 034 do a live update.....meaning while you are running can you dump new maps into the 034? SS AIC1 cannot.

I really dont know much about either except for that.

Terry
96 Eagle talon ESI
Greddy header - Greddy exhaust

97 Eclipse
Star Stage II - Boost/oil/EGT gauges - Apexi N1 3" exhaust - SFMU/return line - Apexi SAFC - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - ceramic intake - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks

Waiting to be installed: HKS EVC IV, 450 Turbo injectors, GSX Front brakes (need rotors)

Mitchell on Demand copies available

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
does the 034 do a live update.....meaning while you are running can you dump new maps into the 034? SS AIC1 cannot. I really dont know much about either except for that. Terry 96 Eagle talon ESI Greddy header - Greddy exhaust 97 Eclipse Star Stage II - Boost/oil/EGT gauges - Apexi N1 3" exhaust - SFMU/return line - Apexi SAFC - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - ceramic intake - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks Waiting to be installed: HKS EVC IV, 450 Turbo injectors, GSX Front brakes (need rotors) Mitchell on Demand copies available

Well, not sure about loading a entire new feul map "on the fly", but the 034 lets you change numbers/perameters "on the fly"..

Originally posted by XtremeRS

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon does the 034 do a live update.....meaning while you are running can you dump new maps into the 034? SS AIC1 cannot. I really dont know much about either except for that. Terry 96 Eagle talon ESI Greddy header - Greddy exhaust 97 Eclipse Star Stage II - Boost/oil/EGT gauges - Apexi N1 3" exhaust - SFMU/return line - Apexi SAFC - Stage 2 6 puck Sprung hub MIBA clutch - Shortened shifter - Koni Yellows w/eibach prokit - Stillen Fr/Rr swaybars - ceramic intake - DEI Keyless entry alarm - Niche 17" Shoks Waiting to be installed: HKS EVC IV, 450 Turbo injectors, GSX Front brakes (need rotors) Mitchell on Demand copies available

Well, not sure about loading a entire new feul map "on the fly", but the 034 lets you change numbers/perameters "on the fly"..

The AIC does not...
034 and Megasquirt do.

And with MEgasquirt you can load an entire table and map and everything while running...lol ya just gotta be carefull.

as long as the aic is able to coordinate floorpan-droppage with intake-manifold-weld failure its good enough!!!

hope they dont loose their memory, that stuff would happen now and then on a gen 6 DFI, heh, but alteast on the gen 6 you could load entire global maps on the fly.