My buddy who i got my seats from and soon my spec clutch just sent me this link. I'll get more details for ya.
http://estore.websitepros.com/768900/Detail.bok?no=140

whats the tubing gage(thinkness)?

also with the way that the WG flange located the turbo would have to be mounted in the opposite direction of what most of us have.

is any turbo flange availible?

looks cool...but for only 325 I have my doubts about quality.

*edit* took pic off...thought I was only gonna get the 420A pic but got all. x(

I will get more info on it when he gets back online. He also told me he could get me my spec stg 3 clutch for 350 which is cheapest ive seen around. Flywheel for the same 350. Hes a good guy and got me my DAD racing seats for 400 shipped which wast too shabby.

nevermind.

looks liks ssautochrome. that mani will do :thumbsup. the wastegate is out the other side yes, but who cares? gotta make it work. a big ass gt series hanging under that mani would look cozy

Looks like a shiney pacesetter header, that has a turbo flange welded on it. I should have thought of that!

They have them on Ebay everyonce in awhile. SS does sell them, well did once and they cancled the bid earlier on them cuz they suck hairy balls, but thats another story. I've been looking for them for awhile now, thanks for the link.

The pacesetter header you're talking about is for a 4g63. No one would make a header that looks like that unless it had a turbo flange on it.

someone should buy one.

I havent seen him online yet today. He gets on here periodically so When I do see him. I'll ask him a bunch of questions about it. Fitment, that wastegate thing, thickness, etc...

Edit: I know this is the turbo section but he also sells genuine buddy club 2 kits. Here is the link to them: http://estore.websitepros.com/768900/Detail.bok?no=89
$699 for it but I can get him down cheaper I know and he will do groupbuys for us as well he has said before. He told me to check with him on anything because he'll get if for me cheaper.

I did not know pacesetter made header for the 4g63. I was refering to the one that they make for our cars, but sure enough
http://www.pacesetterexhaust.com/headers_detail.htm#notes

Anyway does he have any on a car to date? I would be interested in seeing how the starter likes being that close to the turbo, as well as where the DP will go? Does it have enough clearance to allow for the turbo by that support brace?

Post some pics of this installed please, it may be a good seller.

Looks identical to the SSAutochrome manifold....

Just so you know, SSAutochrome is now selling shit under a different name as well... www.xs-power.com
They're also selling on ebay under that same name...

Same company, same address, same fax number... ;)

It looks like an SS mani because SS sells Stone Mountain. They don't make their own, they just sell the Stone mani's.

Is there a picture of the actual one that will be for the 420a. The one on the site doesn't have the right flange, but either way if it looks like that, than 325 is a good price. The fast fabrications one sells for 400 I think. Good alternative, I might have to try it.

even with the flange in the wrong spot, it can be used.

Cut the flange off and reweld it to the downpipe where there is more room, then run a pipe off the stub to the new wastegate.
Instead of the wastegate being on the mani, it's at the other end of the wastegate tube. It will work the same, maybe not to great idea for real high boost, but should work fine for 12-15. And it will allow for you to use that mani.

Originally posted by Geelo
even with the flange in the wrong spot, it can be used. Cut the flange off and reweld it to the downpipe where there is more room, then run a pipe off the stub to the new wastegate. Instead of the wastegate being on the mani, it's at the other end of the wastegate tube. It will work the same, maybe not to great idea for real high boost, but should work fine for 12-15. And it will allow for you to use that mani.

I'm not sure if I speak your language, but it sounds like you're saying to put the wastegate on the downpipe. That won't work..at all. You have to bypass exhaust gas around the turbo. The only way you can have an external gate mounted after the turbo is if you use an internal gate port and put it there.

It would work, when the wastegate opens, the gases will bypass the turbo through the pipe as if it where located on the mani. It wont work as well, thats why I say not for high boost. If you want that mani to work, you might need to do it that way.

When the wastegate is closed, the gases will become somewhat turbulent from flowing down the wastegate pipe, and then being stoped, but for 12-15 psi it would be fine.

Originally posted by Geelo
It would work, when the wastegate opens, the gases will bypass the turbo through the pipe as if it where located on the mani. It wont work as well, thats why I say not for high boost. If you want that mani to work, you might need to do it that way. When the wastegate is closed, the gases will become somewhat turbulent from flowing down the wastegate pipe, and then being stoped, but for 12-15 psi it would be fine.

sorry man but you dont know WTF you're talking about. boost creep would be a mother fucker with the wastegate on the downpipe :nono

you could get a fat tial external gate, mount it to the location on this manifold, and then get crafty with the external pipe by either routing it back into the downpipe somewhere near the oil pan or just having it dump. if you used a turbo setup with the exhaust side on the driver side then this would be a lot easier but it can certainly be done either way.

sounds to me like you need to read up a little on wastegate locations, after the turbo is just funny...

Dude, you jsut told some dude not to worry about torquing head studs, why do you think you know wastegates, when you don't even know about torqe?

Originally posted by Geelo
Dude, you jsut told some dude not to worry about torquing head studs, why do you think you know wastegates, when you don't even know about torqe?

Because you're wrong? :shrug

Why wouldn't it work?

I have a fast fabrications tubular manifold flanged for a tial wg. I would prefer ceramic coating over stainless steel; looks more durable and less prone to cracking from heat and stress.

Originally posted by Initial DSM
I have a fast fabrications tubular manifold flanged for a tial wg. I would prefer ceramic coating over stainless steel; looks more durable and less prone to cracking from heat and stress.

ceramic coating is less prone to cracking from heat and stress? ceramic coated WHAT? :shrug...iron? lol

what grade stainless is your manifold? you can get ceramic coated stainless you know :P :thumbsup

Anthony, email me sometime or somethin....AcidBurnsSoDoI@aol.com...i know you know i have been in the honda scene for a while...and all they do is turbo...I am about to purchase a nice TIG machine and could posibly pop out a few equal length turbo manifolds...let me know if you know some people who would be interested or if you would be interested in letting me get some measurements off your car ;)
PS those manifolds look like SS autochrome...I know a few people who had them and they cracked within a month...

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When I was looking for a manifold I contacted Fast Fabrications and they said they dont make them anymore, what the?? Also I seen the same manifold at Turbocalculator. com, but they dont make them anymore either. Huh, ohwell

Well... DUH! Any tubular style mani that is not braced will crack. Badly. Quickly. Do you really think that a brittle thin walled tube is going to support the weight of a turbo, a wastegate, and a downpipe? No. It's going to crack. It would probably eventually fucking crack without starting the car if it is not braced. Throw in some heat cycles, and your friends will think that you got the new Glade plug-in scent for your car called "hot exhaust."

so let's bump this since this is the best discussion about these manifolds ...
so what Ducking Fumbass is saying is that as long as you brace your turbo on something well enough, this manifold would be fine? Shit, for $325, I would be all over this thing. Equal length + nifty looks - $325 = good deal

bracing has a lot to do with it, because it compromises the integrity and strength of the welds overtime, this isnt the only determining factor of the quality of a manifold by any means though.

when welding steel, stainless for example, it should be heated first...a lot of manifold builders do not cycle the metal through a good heat range before its finally done. this is VERY important to the longevity of the manifold. proper welding is a longer process than just keeping the arc at the front of the weld pool.

another huge factor is the grade of steel the manifold is made out of. 316 stainless when tig welded is VERY strong, and can withstand insane heat without corroding from the inside out like a lot of mild steel's and other lower grades

titanium equal length anyone? oh yea baby :P

If i had the cash Turby i would go with Iconel ...ohh sweet sweet high temperature resistance....

Then again i dont own a ferrari do i??

Originally posted by BlueMoonEclipse
If i had the cash Turby i would go with Iconel ...ohh sweet sweet high temperature resistance.... Then again i dont own a ferrari do i??

inconel equal length....:drooooool:

Originally posted by turbo8u

Originally posted by BlueMoonEclipse If i had the cash Turby i would go with Iconel ...ohh sweet sweet high temperature resistance.... Then again i dont own a ferrari do i??

inconel equal length....:drooooool:

bliiinng
but to the original topic: how about this manifold we were talking about? Should I buy one if I can find one?

this is a tubular manifold. :(

Originally posted by Initial DSM
this is a tubular manifold. :(

A decent looking one as well..

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Originally posted by Initial DSM
this is a tubular manifold. :(

Is that the fastfabrication manifold? That looks alot better and saves up for room.

Originally posted by er0ckz

Originally posted by Initial DSM this is a tubular manifold. :(

Is that the fastfabrication manifold? That looks alot better and saves up for room.

yeah but I think theyre closing up shop. :(

Originally posted by Initial DSM

Originally posted by er0ckz

Originally posted by Initial DSM this is a tubular manifold. :(

Is that the fastfabrication manifold? That looks alot better and saves up for room.

yeah but I think theyre closing up shop. :(

Nice but not equal length

right now im working on a design. in it cylinders 3-4 go in front over the connection for 1-2...designed for a divided flange....trying to get a cad design up

Oh man...

Inconel is definately pretty awesome. I'd never pay that much money for a manifold though. That material is EXPENSIVE.

"Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon....most eclipse guys are pretty easy to get along with as long as they dont have a 4g63."

lmao.. that's somewhat true.