So I've finally made the decision to go with a 2.4 setup, and a new manifold and turbo... ;)

So now I'm going to sell my current motor complete with the manifold and turbo... but the question is what's a fair price?

I'll probably put it on ebay, but I want a fair Buy It Now price to give someone a good deal if they want it right away. here's the specs.

420A 2.0 Liter
Stock Bore Wiseco custom 8.5:1 pistons
Hastings rings
Stock rods
Stock head and cams
MLS headgasket
Clevitte 77 rod bearings
Goodyear Timing belt
Custom turbo manifold
Mitsubishi Big 16G turbo - Rebuilt with only 500 miles on it.
Custom down pipe/O2 housing to enable use of totally stock downpipe.

This would make a very nice drop in setup for someone.
Out of a 99 car. I checked and I actually have arouns 10,000 miles on the motor since it was built. I thought it was more but it wasn't. Motor was run at 19psi daily with no problems.

Compression on each cylinder is 170 psi I believe.

I was thinking of asking somewhere around 2000 - 2200. That would be for everything, but not including the alternator, power steering pump or the a/c pump.

What does everyone think?

maybe 1300. plus shipping charges.

I'll give you $1500 plus shipping.

No way, for a built motor manny and turbo 2K is more than fair

Originally posted by Skrilla
No way, for a built motor manny and turbo 2K is more than fair

That's what I thought man... mor ethan fair.

I'll put it on ebay and see what happens.

How much HP you was pushing with it?

the light resides in the 2.4 tunnel
_________
96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca


as needles of ice
are the ill winds' talons
the coldest of shadows
they seep unto the bone

silent souls leave .308 holes

Originally posted by er0ckz
How much HP you was pushing with it?

Well I was running 19psi with a Big 16G so you figure... gotta be somewhere in the 350 HP region...

doubtful. perfectly tuned you'll see 320-330 at the most at 19spi. suieclipse guy made 349 at 19psi w/ a 20g. his car is pretty much perfectly tuned w/ a wideband setup and logger. i can count on one hand the number of dyno graphs from a 16g that made over 320whp. expecially w/ your low compression. This is not to say his motor isn't well built and isn't running really well, i just think that numbers on the high side and wanted to raise the bs flag

Originally posted by MR BLUNT 2gnt
doubtful. perfectly tuned you'll see 320-330 at the most at 19spi. suieclipse guy made 349 at 19psi w/ a 20g. his car is pretty much perfectly tuned w/ a wideband setup and logger. i can count on one hand the number of dyno graphs from a 16g that made over 320whp. expecially w/ your low compression. This is not to say his motor isn't well built and isn't running really well, i just think that numbers on the high side and wanted to raise the bs flag

I was talking crank hp, and I said around...

I dont know about 350 on a well tuned 20g. Hahn's webpage claims 475 with a 20g and that sounds a little closer to the capabilites of a 20g.

when i was selling my motor + tranny for a brief minute, i sold it for $3250 + shipping + their stock motor + their stock tranny

they guy is still looking for another motor and tranny since im not selling mine right now. if youd like to email me, ill hook you guys up together so you can sell your shit.

james@antsmarching.org


btw.. 349whp on 19-21 lbs of boost with a 20g. hahn is either using a fucked dyno or is exagerating.

edit.. also.. id watch out for the 2.4. a few peopel on here are having a hell of a time tuning it for some reason.

Originally posted by Geelo
I dont know about 350 on a well tuned 20g. Hahn's webpage claims 475 with a 20g and that sounds a little closer to the capabilites of a 20g.

Well, if you would run 30 psi on a S20G, you would be very close to 475 CRANK HP. If he made 349 at 19 psi, then that is *somewhere* around 390 Crank HP. 10-11 more pounds of boost can get you almost a 80+ more HP if tuned well..

Bahaha another one joining the Frankie club

:)

Sell it to me. My current deal hasn't moved much the last few months.

2.4 is the way to go
nothing could replace displacement :)

and now we could even built them for cheap too !

Alain

Well the motor will be on ebay here shortly, so if anyone wants it bid away...

IT's a shame to say good bye to this motor... it's been real sweat to me... but I've had my heart set on 2.4 for a long time now...

And tuning will be a piece of cake, I have Megasquirt in total control of my fuel remember... and I may well have the spark under it's control soon also.

Just so ya'll know I'm going 2.4 with a 20g more than likelly... now that should be special...

You guys and your older turbos, try a hybrid. How do you think these guys with 4gs make more HP, not using such an outdated turbo. I agree its good but I would go bigger IMO Esp. with all the displacement.

so close to my swap I could even smell it :)

Alain

How you like that 2.4 valve cover than Alain?
Looking good man.

Well she's on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2474227753

Let's see how she does. ;)

the 2.4 cover fit on the 420a head but there's an offset with the placement of the 4 spark plug wells and also the 2 center bolts
the offset is around 1/4 of an inch I will add some silicone inside the valve cover for extra seal around the plugs just to be sure

on my cover I filled the 2 bolt holes in the center because I can't use them anyway

I like the oil baffle inside the valve cover it's a better cover than the 420a
and putting a 2.0 cover would be lying :)

Alain

just saw your auction

PUT A RESERVE PRICE PLEASE for your own protection

without it , if the auction doesn't catch on, somebody could buy your engine at the last seconds for only a few hundreds of $

Alain

Doh, forgot the reserve...

Fixed it...lol, I didn't see the option when I was putting it on...

Thanks buddy.

Originally posted by alain95i4
the 2.4 cover fit on the 420a head but there's an offset with the placement of the 4 spark plug wells and also the 2 center bolts the offset is around 1/4 of an inch I will add some silicone inside the valve cover for extra seal around the plugs just to be sure on my cover I filled the 2 bolt holes in the center because I can't use them anyway I like the oil baffle inside the valve cover it's a better cover than the 420a and putting a 2.0 cover would be lying :) Alain

Hehehehe Alain its all about being 2.4 Undercover :)

BTW the reason i beleive we are not acheiving our power goals is we are limiting ourselves to bandaid fixes for fuel/air mixtures in the most part...And if you now check out DsmTimes.org you realize the fastest time without N20 was using a FP3065...its the way of the future boys

Now Bill Hahn's times (the 10.871 pass) was acheived using N20, and Dog gonit look at his 60' Times! its allmost comparable to the 60' of the 11th on the awd list...talk about skill

Back to valve covers....Now if the 2.4 one fits...wouldent the SRT-4 type cover fit too (says 2.4 AND turbo :) )??

Originally posted by BlueMoonEclipse

Originally posted by alain95i4 the 2.4 cover fit on the 420a head but there's an offset with the placement of the 4 spark plug wells and also the 2 center bolts the offset is around 1/4 of an inch I will add some silicone inside the valve cover for extra seal around the plugs just to be sure on my cover I filled the 2 bolt holes in the center because I can't use them anyway I like the oil baffle inside the valve cover it's a better cover than the 420a and putting a 2.0 cover would be lying :) Alain

Hehehehe Alain its all about being 2.4 Undercover :) BTW the reason i beleive we are not acheiving our power goals is we are limiting ourselves to bandaid fixes for fuel/air mixtures in the most part...And if you now check out DsmTimes.org you realize the fastest time without N20 was using a FP3065...its the way of the future boys Now Bill Hahn's times (the 10.871 pass) was acheived using N20, and Dog gonit look at his 60' Times! its allmost comparable to the 60' of the 11th on the awd list...talk about skill Back to valve covers....Now if the 2.4 one fits...wouldent the SRT-4 type cover fit too (says 2.4 AND turbo :) )??

You are right about the fuel systems limiting power. And you also have to realise that my fuel system is NOT band-aided. With the Megasquirt I have complete control. And this is also why I say I'm probably near 350 Crank HP. For sure over 300.
I did want to dyno the motor, but never got round to finding one near me... haha.
I'll leave it till the 2.4 is here!

hey bro check your PM

Back to valve covers....Now if the 2.4 one fits...wouldent the SRT-4 type cover fit too (says 2.4 AND turbo )??

no it doesn't
the srt-4 cover doesn't even fit properly on the older 2.4
the third oil passage and a different shape near cylinder 4

Alain

Had to relist the auction after someone messed upw hen they bidded... grrr, people need ot be more carefull.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33615&item=2474347457&ssPageName=STRK:MESSE:IT

Thanks for looking!

thanks alain

NOw if before im done with my project 2.4 and UMS comes operational im going mega squirt...Ums= owns the rest


KK then i guess im going with the old school 2.0 one :)

Originally posted by BlueMoonEclipse
thanks alain NOw if before im done with my project 2.4 and UMS comes operational im going mega squirt...Ums= owns the rest KK then i guess im going with the old school 2.0 one :)

UMS WILL own the rest... but it's still not here yet... looks like it may be 6 months away or so now... can't wait.

Ultra Wide Band will be here by the end of the summer too...

Lee.

good ol 2.4 imo :) im keepin my 2.0 valve cover though ;) lets see what the guys on the dyno say when it rips way over what they would expect, lol

2.4 :cheers
_________
96 talon esi-t
san clemente, ca


as needles of ice
are the ill winds' talons
the coldest of shadows
they seep unto the bone

silent souls leave .308 holes

Originally posted by turbo8u
good ol 2.4 imo :) im keepin my 2.0 valve cover though ;) lets see what the guys on the dyno say when it rips way over what they would expect, lol 2.4 :cheers _________ 96 talon esi-t san clemente, ca as needles of ice are the ill winds' talons the coldest of shadows they seep unto the bone silent souls leave .308 holes

LMAO, thats funny man....

hey alain are u going to have power steering on your car? I havent done anything for my mine yet. Im trying to fit the 2.0 acc bracket on the block. I also have the PT power steering bracket that needs alittle modifying to work. I wish I could just buy these things, cause I hate making them from scratch!!!:wallbash

Originally posted by onebaddsm98
hey alain are u going to have power steering on your car?

Yes Power steering all the way!
I found a solution
I'm buying an SRT-4 engine mount
the power steering bracket is built right on the engine mount and will be easy to adapt to the DSM style mount
Maybe i will have to swap the pump for a Neon second generation one
I will see when I get it in the next 2 weeks

Alain

Hey thats kewl Alain!

Keep me posted!! i know i can Fab the mounts from scratch for the ac/ps but..... :) solutions like these are better sometimes