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Topic subject440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
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54755, 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by siueclipse, Aug-25-03 10:52 AM
I might buy some 440cc injectors for a friend. I looked on hahn's site and they only sell 415cc injectors. So.. are the 440cc injectors the wrong impendance? Will I need a resistor pack or will they work just fine. He says they are for 1st gen and 2nd gen eclipses, so im assuming they are for the 4g63.

thanx in advance

James
54756, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by DarkOne, Aug-25-03 11:25 AM
the 440's we usually just reer to as "440's" are typically from RC engineering. They are high impedance saturated injectors, just like stock. Have him test the resistance on them before you buy - 16ish ohms - saturated, 2-3 ohms - peak&hold.
54760, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by siueclipse, Aug-25-03 11:55 AM
thank you very much

James
54770, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by siueclipse, Aug-25-03 03:19 PM
just for my own curiosity, how do you test the injectors for which ohm they are?

thanx
James
54773, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by micyek, Aug-25-03 03:33 PM
you need an ohm meter...go figure :P j/p

But seriuosly...I have a digital multi-meter that can mesure resistance.
54775, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by JasonESi_T, Aug-25-03 03:39 PM
They may also be the 45lb'ers from a Ford Lightening which are also high impedance.

They're also referred to as "green tops" in reference to their color which is almost a lime green.
54779, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by siueclipse, Aug-25-03 04:01 PM
well, i can't decide what to do...

should i try and go with the 8 injector setup or just run some high injectors?
54784, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by pn0ymahal, Aug-25-03 04:41 PM
well the 8-injector setup is alot better then when i was using a afc. but the choice is yours since its your time and money and tuning skills etc.
good luck
Michael
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54850, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by siueclipse, Aug-26-03 09:38 AM
my friend tested the injectors and he said they are doing 11ohm's. what does that mean? they arent 16ish like saturated, but they are peak & hold either.

any ideas?

Thanx
James
54857, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by JasonESi_T, Aug-26-03 10:32 AM
>my friend tested the injectors and he said they are doing
>11ohm's. what does that mean? they arent 16ish like saturated,
>but they are peak & hold either.

11 ohms DOES mean they're saturated. I get about the same or closer to 12 ohms when I do a resistance check on my stockers.
54858, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by siueclipse, Aug-26-03 10:47 AM
ok... this is odd.. this is his email back to me.. can someone help me make heads or tails of this?

"" I don't remember which company makes them, but I checked out the RC engineering web site and the ranges they gave for saturated injectors were between 12-16 ohms. I did just realize that I was using a very old multimeter to test them and since the resistance is measured using an onboard battery, it could explane why I got a low reading. The injectors were for my 2002 Eclipse, but the connectors wern't right. They are different from the 1 and 2G eclipse. I bought them before thinking about what I was buying. The car is currently a non-turbo, but the injectors are the only thing keeping me from installing it. They are for the 4G63 engine though. ""

Bryan


thanx
James
54871, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by micyek, Aug-26-03 12:21 PM
>ok... this is odd.. this is his email back to me.. can
>someone help me make heads or tails of this?
>
>"" I don't remember which company makes them, but I checked
>out the RC engineering web site and the ranges they gave for
>saturated injectors were between 12-16 ohms. I did just
>realize that I was using a very old multimeter to test them
>and since the resistance is measured using an onboard battery,
>it could explane why I got a low reading. The injectors were
>for my 2002 Eclipse, but the connectors wern't right. They are
>different from the 1 and 2G eclipse. I bought them before
>thinking about what I was buying. The car is currently a
>non-turbo, but the injectors are the only thing keeping me
>from installing it. They are for the 4G63 engine though. ""
>

Must be to use those in a 4g63 you have to take out the resistor pack....I guess....doesn't make a lot of since to me...

*edit*

oh...here is the schematic I've got wipped up for a resistor pack

54880, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by siueclipse, Aug-26-03 03:34 PM
i wonder if they are for a 4g63 non turbo though

James
54887, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by micyek, Aug-27-03 02:32 AM
>i wonder if they are for a 4g63 non turbo though
>
>James


Could be...but I think it would be a little odd to have such large injectors for a non turbo. But I've been thinking about this...and now that's it's morning and I have a clearer head, I think it would be pretty safe to get those. Like JasonESi T said...his stockers tested at 12ohms, and if your friends multimeter was reading inaccurately that might explain the 11ohms he was getting. Especially if it was one that uses a needle rather then a digital readout. An analog one might leave something the operator’s discretion.

I hope you get what your looking for soon.
54890, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by siueclipse, Aug-27-03 05:32 AM
i went ahead and bought them, we'll see

thanx
James
54896, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by MrSlick, Aug-27-03 06:43 AM
I'm running 450CC peak and hold injectors from a 1G DSM turbo in my Eclipse RS right now... It's not a problem. With a resistor pack it works fine... Imade my resistor pack myself, the ECU sees hte exact same resistence as the stockers....

The resistence isnt the only difference between the injectors though... but they should be fine.

Lee.
54903, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by siueclipse, Aug-27-03 07:41 AM
well, i dont have a resistor pack

James
54908, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by MrSlick, Aug-27-03 08:33 AM
SO make one... thats what I did.... or get a used one from an old DSM or an old Honda....

Lee.
54910, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by siueclipse, Aug-27-03 08:50 AM
i didn't think that the 440s being saturated at 12ohms needed to have a resistor pack
54912, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by micyek, Aug-27-03 09:06 AM
>i didn't think that the 440s being saturated at 12ohms needed
>to have a resistor pack


yep..you should be good to go sir. Good luck to you, and I hope everything works out splendidly.:thumbsup
54916, RE: 440cc injector question - please respond quick =)
Posted by siueclipse, Aug-27-03 09:45 AM
more BOOST

heheh