97 rs eclipse,
looking for a turbo kit. Start or hahn? Front mount or side mount intercooler?

Star Performance Turbo Kit - By Jeff

Pros
The Turbo: Star uses a Turbonetics designed T3/T4 turbocharger with optional trims and a ball bearing option. This turbo is great for 350, 400 or more horsepower. With the ball bearing option (which tacks on another $500 to the price of the turbo mind you), turbo lag is almost none existant.

The Pipes: Star pipes are chrome plated for looks and style.

The Intercooler: Using a Spearco core and custom end tanks, the Star FMIC (you get the FMIC with stage two) will support 400whp.

Fuel Pressure Riser: Star uses the Vortech FMU. Enought said, when it comes from Votech you know it's good.

Wastegate: External wastegate is more relilable and better for controlling boost spikes and flow.

Cons
The Instructions: They really don't have a set of instructions. They are only a couple pages long. The install itself is really for experienced people.

The Manifold: I would have rather seen Star sell this kit with at least an euqal length runner manifold.

The Bov: The kit comes with what I consider a stock 1g bov, however it's more or less a simply HKS generic Bov.

All in all I have to say I like this kit. Then again I'm not new to turbo's and turbo systems and know how to make this work. Star dosen't have the support that HRC offers which I don't like. None the less if you want a turbo system and have an idea of where you want to go with it, and know how to get there as well, the Star kit may be for you. Either way, both kits are awesome, and either way you're going turbo. It's really up to you to decide. Here is the Star kit www.raceprep.net


HAHN Racecraft Turbo Kit - By James

Pros
HAHN has several stages of kits. You can start off with a stage 1 kit and work your way up, or jump in with a stage 3 kit. Its up to you. If you want to know about what comes with each kit, check out www.hahnracecraft.com. I bought the stage 2 kit which comes with an FMIC, 16G turbo, black polished intercooler pipping, 300gt blow off valve, cast iron exhaust manifold, external inline fuel pump, and a Cartech fuel pressure regulator. There are other things that come with the stage 2 kit, but those are the big ones.

The Turbo; The 16G turbo does spool faster than the STAR’s T3/T4. However, the STAR T3/T4 can create a bit more horsepower at top end. Furthermore, the STAR T3/T4 has a larger horsepower potential than the 16G. I personally like the 16G better because of the company backing the turbo. If you like to autocross or drag, the 16G is a very good turbo for both. The STAR turbo might take too long to spool when autocrossing.

The Intercooler; The intercooler HAHN uses is huge. Its deeper and taller than the STAR intercooler. Its worth the extra money for an upgrade in the stage 2 kit. There are some cons for this listed below though..

About the company; The main reason why I purchased a HAHN kit was because of the company backing the turbo kit. HAHN has tested and tested their kits and is constantly updating them for the better. I enjoy being able to call and talk to technical support when I have a simple question to a 45 minute discussion about something dealing with the kit. I enjoy the fact that they know what they are talking about when it comes to my car and the potential it has.

The Directions; Damn, ok here is another deciding point for me. The directions that come with the HAHN kit are about 30 pages long, unlike the STAR’s kit which is no more than 1 page long. Not to mention the fact that I can call technical support during the installation to ask questions.

Cons
The Directions; Granted the directions are very detailed, however they can be somewhat hard to follow at times. It only really happens when you are dealing with the fuel installation instructions.

The Cartech Fuel Pressure Regulator; I’ve noticed that this fuel pressure regulator starts dropping fuel pressure after many runs at the track (about 10 straight runs without a cool off period). You shouldn’t do 10 straight runs without cooling off. So if you don’t drive your car like an idiot, you’ll be fine and never see it happen. Remember that when you race, do a run, let the car sit for about 30 to 45 minutes and run again. You need to allow cool off time. (I know the consequences if you don't and its not pretty) Some people say that the Cartech FMU drops pressure more often then just at the track. I personally haven't seen it except for at the track. Furthermore, the Cartech FMU sucks when you are going with bigger injectors. Its just not setup to handle the larger injectors.. Basically, you will run way too much fuel and be unable to control fuel pressure under boost. Im about to find out if switching to the Vortech FMU fixes this problem. I will report back then.

The Price; Like I said before the HAHN kit does cost more, however I feel that the HAHN kit is worth the money. This is going to sound odd, but I have a sense of security with the turbo kit, which is something I didn’t have with the STAR kit.

Injectors; HAHN says you can run with stock injectors for up to Stage 2, however, I feel that larger injectors are needed. My car was running too lean and I actually cracked one of my injectors because of the enourmous amount of fuel pressure HAHN has you run. I pu in 310cc injectors which is now making me run rich, but rich is ok. If you change the injectors, get a vortech FMU as well and replace the Cartech FMU.

The FMIC; The FMIC is very big and nice, however many people have to cut their bump stop out a little in order for it to fit. You must also cut the inside of the front bumper to allow for the room. Its not that big of a deal but worth mentioning.

I haven’t noticed many cons with the HAHN kit besides those mentioned. I would like to see the HAHN kit come with some more gauges and a better BOV, but all in all, Im very happy.

Inevitably, which kit you choose is completely up to you. Hopefully this will help you in deciding which one to go with. Both kits are very good.

that was a damn good responce...nice way to break it down....but i did see that you said the HRC stage 2 came with a FMIC...but they only come standard with a SMIC...adding the FMIC is what..another several hundred dollars? I chose the star kit for that reason and the turbo...myself and freinds have all had very bad track records with mitsu/garrett turbos....they have had several that despite thier best efforts have blown several of these each within a month of getting it. this was also normal driving not heavy boost or abuse...the turbonetics turbos are IMO the best turbos you can buy...i mean i had a pinched oil line which overpressurized the turbo for a good month causing it to blow a lot of oil past the seals, which would have killed any other turbo very fast...but mine is still boosting great with no shaftplay or signs of wearing...During that time i thought my turbo had gone bad I purchased a t3/t4 from Motofool, which was a garret turbo, i installed the turbo and immediatly it would not build any boost, after checking and rechecking everything it still would not boost. So i decided for the hell of it to put my old turbonetics turbo back on to see what would happen...without changing anything else, the instant i drove it boosted and as it turns out the turbo was not blown. as for the garrett t3/t4...with a grand total of less than 100 miles it now has so much shaft play that the fins rubbed the walls....

so after reading this book, i HIGHLY reccomend getting the star turbo, you won't regret it... oh and the star turbo kits can also be bought here since it seems people are having problems with raceprep.net..... www.overboost.com

Please search

http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=26

on the main page there is a forum of "things we have seen before"

star

HRC Stage 2

see the main thing that most people dont realize is that if you get a kit you usually dont stick w/ the components of it for very long...i started out w/ a Star stg 2 b/c i wanted a highway car w/ mad top end..and thats what it is..the fuel setups on both kits are inadequate if you want to make big numbers..you'll change a lot of stuff around and want better stuff than what comes w/ both..the 16g the hrc comes w/ is a great mid range turbo, well suited for autocrossing(this is opinion of the two kits alone, i know there are better turbos suited for autocrossing) and the 16g can take you into low 300s....this is proven many times over..just depends on how far you want to take the car....thing is your only going to be able to run 18-19 psi safely on pump and at that range the 16g is loosing its efficency and kicking out some pretty hot air..its safe at that point but the t3/t4 is still well in its efficency range and then some...how much you going to be at the track?? if your a drag racer then the bigger turbo is going to make bigger traps..i'm running 18psi trapping 110-113 range...14.020 is my best on street tires..thats horrible for my power but the problem is when you make that much pwr on a wwd(wrong wheel drive) car you dont get any traction at all...not until you get into 3rd, and i have an lsd..i got friends in the 4g63 running 16g's at 20-22 psi that are trapping 5-6mph lower than i am..and i pull them on the highway...t3/t4 = mad top end 16g = better e.t's(usually on fwd), less top end...so how far you want to take this?? you have the dough for an engine rebuild, timing control module of some kind, adequate fuel system..its a long road, a very expensive road..going from 120 whp to 300-330 whp is quite a jump, and when you beat your first c5 you'll know why you spent so much damn money....i guess the best suggestion that i have for you in my opinion(being a star owner) is if you plan on running no more than 17-18 psi you cant go wrong w/ the hrc kit..if you want to play w/ the big dogs and want to see your boost guage hit 25psi then get the star... i dont think i'm biased, i think i'm practical....and not to be a dick but there have been about a hundred similar threads, you really should research for a very long time before asking this, you are liable to get flamed off here...good luck

^^^^^ GREAT post!

what about mine and SIU?? no love for us????

Well while we are on the subject of CFM and effciency, there are other options to what Hahn offer in term of turbos. Their basic street kit comes with the S16g, however they now carry the S20g, S25g, as well as a S15g.

To sum it up, do your research... know what you are getting yourself into. With HRC, you are paying for the development, research, and testing that Hahn put in.

damn this debate still goes on lol

haven't seen you for a while stan..... been hiding out or what......

>haven't seen you for a while stan..... been hiding out or
>what......


Yup on the DL, Still have the car as well believe it or not. Still doesn't have an exhaust manifold or downpipe waiting for that turbo project thats always just a few months away from happening.

Fuckin A Stan, i'm thinking about just BUYING you a turbo, manifold, and DP just so i can see that old Talon back on the road.

i just ordered my star stage 2 today from overboost :) unfortunately there is a back order on the intercoolers but it will be worth the wait to be boosting!

oh and DarkOne, what are your mods?

>oh and DarkOne, what are your mods?

Lol...bah, I think Dino has an Iceman air filter, some washer lights and some ebay muffler. Who cares? :P