is it necessary for anyone running a turbo in our cars to have a oil cooler? i read in maximum boost written by corky bell that if you're using synthetic oils,you don't have to use it. isn't more beneficial to the turbo to have a cooler supply of oil flowing to it?

After installing the turbo , I noticed that the grippy stuff Fram puts on the end the filter was bubbling off. This never happened while I was NA. This worried me a little. The properties of the oil are probably fine at that temp, but I wasn't comfortable with it. So I got an oil cooler . It was only $80 from pep boys. Came with all the adapters, etc. I had to switch to a shorter filter to avoid whacking it on speed bumps though . I mounted it behind the passenger side fake brake scoop. I figure, it can only help. With all the additional stress that I've put on the stock cooling system , I might as well help it out some with additional coolers . BTW, I've been warned several times to stay away from Fram filters, I'm now trying PureOne.


Corbin
'95 ESI-T
HRC + FMIC
http://members.nbci.com/cbehnken/

I would think its never a bad idea to run an oil cooler. I plan on doing the same in a couple weeks.


Wyatt Leras
http://www.turbogs.dsmpower.com
98 Eclipse GS Star Stage 5,000 Turbo kit

Wyatt,
If you do a VFAQ, you'll make me VERY GRATEFUL! lol :-)

puhllleeeeeassssseeeee! ;-)

I've wanted to do one of those puppies as well, and the part that gets me, of course, is the cooler piping. Without directions, I'm next to worthless! heh

Thanks as always!

Jason
98' Eagle Talon ESi-T
Mitsu Super 16g Turbo(HRC)


http://springfielddsm.homestead.com/JasonsPics.html

Mine and the other ones I've seen just use flexible hose. If you mount the cooler behind the passenger scoope, running the hose is basic. Its really not a hard install. If you're concerned, I'll take a picture of it to show you how I did it...no VFAQs this time. And another thing, now that it is getting colder, is your fuel pressure too high when you start the car up cold. If its 35F outside and the car has been sitting all night, my fuel pressure will be like 60+ psi until things fully warm up. When the whole engine bay heats up, the pressure goes back down to 50 psi. I moved my FPR next to the intake manifold so it would warm up faster .

Thanks

Corbin
'95 ESI-T
HRC + FMIC
http://members.nbci.com/cbehnken/

Hey,
I had another question myself about the EGT guage to HRC, Corbin, so I asked Hahn himself about that higher amount of fuel pressure at a cold-start idle.(I have the same thing Corbin) He said that was normal and shouldn't be concerned about. I really didn't go much further than that b/c I wasn't sure if you had any peripheral issues related to it. But this may offer some piece of mind for you, Corbin.

And yes, I would appreciate any type of pitures you'd be willing to offer related to your oil cooler. I do use sunthetic oil as well, but I'm all about being as kind to the engine as possible. :-)

Thanks!

Jason
98' Eagle Talon ESi-T
Mitsu Super 16g Turbo(HRC)


http://springfielddsm.homestead.com/JasonsPics.html

When you are up in Aurora we can look at mounting an Oil cooler for you. It's on my list of things to do. I'd recomend one with a filter relo kit. as part of it.

"To strive to seek to find... and not to yield."
Michael J. Kulaga
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aol IM: MJKulga

If you have a turbo on a 420a, you are a fool to not use synthetic oil...

I'll create a new post about heat. Synthetic oil won't cake up in your engine/turbo. Synthetic oil and cool downs will ensure a long healthy life for turbo. Regular oil WILL break down even when you cool down the car. It just can't handle all the heat. AT LEAST use synthetic blend. And don't give me that "I can't afford it" bull crap. If you can afford a turbo kit, you can afford to give it the best treatment.

I'm looking to see what oil cooler to get...I've noticed the B&M ones seem interesting (can see them on carparts.com). The b&m ones I think won't increase the filter height..

Anyone, can anyone recommend a good one?



l e o n

Check to see what kind of adapter comes with the B&M cooler. Most have sandwich adapters, which will increase filter height. Some have adapters that let you relocate the filter to a better place. Sandwich adapters aren't bad, you just have to get a filter that is shorter. As long as the threads match and the gasket seals, any filter will do. Don't get one that is too small though. A smaller filter should have less filtering material area to trap particles. I'm using a Hayden cooler from Pep Boys. It has a sandwich adapter and I'm using a filter that is over and inch shorter. The whole kit cost $80 and took a few hours to figure out how to mount it and actually do it.

Corbin
'95 ESI-T
HRC + FMIC
http://members.nbci.com/cbehnken/

What filter would that be that is the shorter? I've noticed on the neon newsgroups that there are two types of filters that go onto the 420a engine; there's a long one and a short one..but both are **16.

Anyhow, how is that oil cooler? (How big is the cooling area?)

This any good?

http://www.alamomotorsports.com/pmc_oilcooler.html

kind of pricey I think...


l e o n

Yeah, those prices are nasty. Mine is essentially #69189, paid $80 instead of $114. I just checked and Jegs sell the exact same model as Alamo <69189> for $65. I would have gotten mine there, but time was short. I use a Purolator filter PL10193 . I still have to be very careful with speed bumps or I'll whack my downpipe and maybe filter.


Corbin
'95 ESI-T
HRC + FMIC
http://members.nbci.com/cbehnken/

I run a dual circuit oil cooler with a remote oil filter kit.

One circuit feeds the block and the other feeds the turbo. Ill take some pics tonight.

time warp?...
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know me as santiago
boosted 420a and ej2o..(my 2liter v8 eaters)

yeah i just noticed.

Is this like the first post ever? lol.

oldest thread ive ever seen resurrected

siu = super no000b!

turns out i had the forum setup to show me the best rating threads... haha

well make it worth the time of clicking, put the pix up

Originally posted by Malenko
well make it worth the time of clicking, put the pix up

i get my car back tomorrow so i will post pics tomorrow night.

Anybody else noticed that the thread started today, but the first reply was in 2000? Wierd.

Originally posted by dougie2
Anybody else noticed that the thread started today, but the first reply was in 2000? Wierd.

thats a weird glitch

Wow...

I feel old! heheh

Hey folks. Im going to go take some pictures. Ill have them up in about 30 minutes.

Its a little hard to see whats going on in some of the pictures, but here you go.

I have removed the AC condensor, so my oil cooler sits between the FMIC and the radiator. The oil lines (4 of them) go through cut front support around the radiator. Here is a small idea of what these oil lines are doing.

There are two oil systems in place.

Block -> Oil Cooler -> Remote Filter -> Block

Block -> Oil Cooler -> Turbo -> Oil Pan

Make sense?

Here are the pics.

if you think about oil is what lubricates your turbo and cools your turbo so getting an oil cooler is a wise decision.

why do you need the sandwich kit crap??? i was just planning on putting the oil cooler before the turbo...so from the block, to the oil cooler, then to the turbo....yeah, yeah, its a long way, but the hose would always be filled with oil, so the turbo wouldnt starve any more than what it would with the hose straight to the turbo....
doug

I agree,

has anyone ran it it this way?

block->cooler->turbo->oil pan

Originally posted by Dan Zeller
I agree, has anyone ran it it this way? block->cooler->turbo->oil pan

i run a dual circuit.

block -> cooler -> turbo -> pan
oil filter re-location -> cooler -> oil filter -> block

Nice work! Hey that looks like a transmission oil cooler. Is that it? I didn't know those cooler could handle the engine oil pressure.

its an oil cooler, not a tranny cooler.