well as you all know about my car getting broken into...hopefully i will have enough left over for a complete engine management system, i was thinking about a haltech..do these work in our cars..i want to spend about 1000 dollars, how much do these systems run, and whats the best for our car. I hope this will enable me to run those 600cc injectors when i get everything fixed ...and maybe a lil sneaky pete :)

I am currently right now studying over the haltech i have sitting right next to me. I bought it about 2 months ago, and have been reading over and over shit, studying the wiring diagrams, trying to figure out how to hook it up. Man, it is a byotch to get in the car, i think tuning it will actually be easier. As to whether or not this will work in our cars, i sure as hell don't know yet, but i am going to find out one way or another i am thinking.

Price, so far is at 1336 for the setup, and that doesn't include some items i still need.

So, for a grand, a haltech ain't gonna work. I spoke with hahn a couple months ago, and they said they would sell their whole stage V fuel system, but that comes with 625 cc injectors, which you don't need, and it runs like 1500 bux for everything. At least this is what they told me a couple of months ago. It would probably be the best way for any of us to go, considering it is the only engine management system that any of us know about that is actually installed on a 2gnt. Hopefully, by the end of summer, mine will be the second type of EMS installed.

Right now though, i have to get my civic back on the road, so i can park the eclipse to get the haltech installed. But, to get my civic on the road, i gotta get a new tranny, and i am gonna drop a single cam vtec motor in it while i am at it. so, i got a summer full of work ahead of me basically. should make for a lot of fun, but hopefully in the end, i will be able to give us all one more option on running high boost levels.

jason
95 GS Turbo

oh yea well the hahn kit might work consdiering i forgot to mention that they stole the 600cc injectors out of the backseat of my car (cause i put the stocks back in) and brand new magnecore 8.5 mm wires...which sucks. But what kind of management does the hrc come with?

it runs an accel DFI engine management system. it uses 625cc injectors, and a 1:1 regulator that most turbo cars use. It only runs the injetors however, and the ignition is still controlled by the stock ECU. They use an MSD ignition then to retard the timing under boost. It is almost an archaeic setup in terms of Engine management systems, but in all actuallity, it gets the job done. 11.72? i think it does. The haltech has some real nice features though like boost controll, nitrous controll, anti lag, etc. but, no one knows how to hook it up.

So, like i said, my honest opinion on the best way to go at this time is with HRC's setup.


By the way, Bill, if any of this information is incorrect, please, let us know...

thanks
jason
95 GS Turbo

LAST EDITED ON 16-May-01 AT 02:30 AM (PST)

You got it right Jason. The accell is a piggyback setup where as the haltec is going for broke and ripping it all out, but it will ccontrol everything for you. The idea behind the Accell is simplicity in functionality and tuning by leaving as much to the stock ECU as possible. One minor point though - Bill tunes the Accell for his setup (obviously) so if you want this setup for a Star kit you will still have to do legwork. You will have to purchase the software to tune it yourself. Please do not think you can take fuel maps setup for a S16G or S20G and then just use those. Oh, and honestly, the tuning is more difficult than the install, unless you have a very good grasp on EVERYTHING in your car and how it all works together. The big headache is getting the timing curve setup and the fuel maps properly worked out. A lot can go wrong. I do believe the Haltec will provide the ultimate in tunability, features, and power, but it is a LOT of work to get there. I commend you for trying it. Best of luck.


MuRiX
97 Eclipse GS HRC Stage II
And a whole lot of other mods...
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You can more than likely hook up the haltech to our cars, and use all of it's functions, and if you are lucky, you can get it to start ;). For further tuning.....you got to be GOOD....DANG GOOD. You are basically designing ALL your fuel curves and ignition curves from scratch with a haltech. Honestly, with things I have seen from other car owners, Piggybacks work well, and usu. have more streetability than stand alones (and this is from a PROFESSIONAL shop). I would definitely do some research before jumping into something like that (ecu modification is BIG)

Bring it on............

Too good for me to ever mess with. For me engine management is more of a "here's $$$$, I'll be back in a week and it better be fast and I'll see you in 3 months after I get some more sh*t so you can tune it again". the Haltec is suppose to work on anything, since it controls everything. If it wont work its probably you not the haltec. Tec-II should also work fine since there are plenty of neons with them. I'd probably go that route since its cheaper (not initially but overall) and Electromotive is in VA where I am.


Stan2gnt
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95 Talon 420A-Turbo
Former and future nitrous user