Ok, 99 Eclipse with Hahn Stage II / FMIC. I'm using the Missing Link and not the Hahn FCD. Started it up for the first time and I got some wacky ass shit goin on. First I got a nasty squeal (sp) coming from the ML and the car would not idle at all. I take the ML off and the hole into the throttle body is fucking hosed, chips all over the place. Ok, easy fix, got some black gasket sealant and used it on the outside of the o-ring on the ML. Got it all back up and let it dry. There is still a leak but not nearly as bad. And not it idles but barely and very rough. I check the fuel pressure gauge and its sittin at 20 lbs. Per the instructions I turned the top allen bolt on the FPR to see if i could get any more pressure out of it. Nada. 3 full turns and it didnt effect it any. If I give the car gas the guage pegs 0 lbs and car will almost die but it'll save itself.

I talked to run4cvr about it and we think it may be the MAP senser cutting the fuel becuase of the leak past the ML. I know I have an exhuast leak (stupid hahn exhaust bolts) but I dont think that has anything to do with my problem. I triple checked all my fuel connections and I've found no leaks anywhere. Checked the aux fuel pump relay and it's all wired correctly.

Input would be greatly appreciated. TIA!

Your post is confusing.

First I
>got a nasty squeal (sp) coming from the ML and the car would
>not idle at all.

Okay, this sounds like you didn't get an adequate seal. I understand this.

I take the ML off and the hole into the
>throttle body is fucking hosed, chips all over the place.


Chips?? Hole into the throttle body?!?! What?

Ok,
>easy fix, got some black gasket sealant and used it on the
>outside of the o-ring on the ML.

Gasket sealant?? Why? The ML sits flush with the intake manifold surface and the MAP sensor plugs into the ML with an O-ringed seal.

Why not post a picture of your dilemma so we can get a clearer picture? This install should take all of 5 minutes without much to go wrong. After all, there's only two screws. ;)

Got it all back up and let
>it dry. There is still a leak but not nearly as bad. And not
>it idles but barely and very rough.

Did it idle alright before you installed the ML?

I'd try to get it to work right before the ML and see what happens.

I check the fuel pressure
>gauge and its sittin at 20 lbs. Per the instructions I turned
>the top allen bolt on the FPR to see if i could get any more
>pressure out of it. Nada. 3 full turns and it didnt effect
>it any. If I give the car gas the guage pegs 0 lbs and car
>will almost die but it'll save itself.

I'm not sure what you have hooked up incorrectly such as your FPR or your fuel pressure gauge. It's hard to say at this point. But you should work to eliminate any vacuum leaks and make sure your FPR is installed somewhere between your fuel rail and your FPR.

The rest seems hazy at this point.

Chips?? Hole into the throttle body?!?! What?

Ok,
>>easy fix, got some black gasket sealant and used it on the
>>outside of the o-ring on the ML.

>Gasket sealant?? Why? The ML sits flush with the intake manifold >surface and the MAP sensor plugs into the ML with an O-ringed seal.


He means that the surface where the ML mounts was chipped... Not smooth. So he re-mounted the ML and sealed the edges with gasket sealer. Is this right chris?

This is a new install BTW.


> I take the ML off and the hole into the
>>throttle body is fucking hosed, chips all over the place.
>
>
>Chips?? Hole into the throttle body?!?! What?

-- Yeah, the whole in the TB where the MAP senser was originally. The surface itself is scored and chipped. From where, I dunno. The squeal i described was a shit load of air from the poor seal.


> Ok,
>>easy fix, got some black gasket sealant and used it on the
>>outside of the o-ring on the ML.
>
>Gasket sealant?? Why? The ML sits flush with the intake
>manifold surface and the MAP sensor plugs into the ML with an
>O-ringed seal.

-- Mine doesnt, My TBS is all types of messed up.


>Why not post a picture of your dilemma so we can get a clearer
>picture? This install should take all of 5 minutes without
>much to go wrong. After all, there's only two screws. ;)

-- No digi, and it's biting me in the ass right now. Heh, I know. You think something with 2 screws wouldnt *cough* screw *cough* me over so bad.

>Got it all back up and let
>>it dry. There is still a leak but not nearly as bad. And
>not
>>it idles but barely and very rough.
>
>Did it idle alright before you installed the ML?
>
>I'd try to get it to work right before the ML and see what
>happens.

-- No, this is a new install

> I check the fuel pressure
>>gauge and its sittin at 20 lbs. Per the instructions I
>turned
>>the top allen bolt on the FPR to see if i could get any more
>>pressure out of it. Nada. 3 full turns and it didnt effect
>>it any. If I give the car gas the guage pegs 0 lbs and car
>>will almost die but it'll save itself.
>
>I'm not sure what you have hooked up incorrectly such as your
>FPR or your fuel pressure gauge. It's hard to say at this
>point. But you should work to eliminate any vacuum leaks and
>make sure your FPR is installed somewhere between your fuel
>rail and your FPR.
>
>The rest seems hazy at this point.

-- I'm sorry for the haziness. I'm new to all of this :P . I'm installing the FPR per the Hahn instructions so it's correct as far as I can tell. No fuel leaks goin in or out of the FPR. All my tee's look nice and secure coming out of the FPR too. Thx for the input. :thumbsup

"-- Yeah, the whole in the TB where the MAP senser was originally. The surface itself is scored and chipped. From where, I dunno. The squeal i described was a shit load of air from the poor seal"
you mean the whole in the 'intake manifold' not tb. a tb is what connects on the drivers side to the intake manifold.
dude.. before you post it, re read your message to make sure you understand it. it's sorta hmmm odd.
cool
Michael 99gs
HRC Stage 2 @12psi :D
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>"-- Yeah, the whole in the TB where the MAP senser was
>originally. The surface itself is scored and chipped. From
>where, I dunno. The squeal i described was a shit load of air
>from the poor seal"
>you mean the whole in the 'intake manifold' not tb. a tb is
>what connects on the drivers side to the intake manifold.
>dude.. before you post it, re read your message to make sure
>you understand it. it's sorta hmmm odd.


Thx for the input, I'll be sure to bust out the Chiltons everytime I log onto 2gnt.com. Sorry. Just lookin for some assistance from the family.

well if you only have 20 lbs of fuel pressure on stock injectors, then that is why your car is not idleing. My guess is that you have the fpr hooked up incorrectly. make sure you have the regulator "out" line running to the return line, and the "in" line running to the fuel rail. If it is hooked up properly, then try turning that allen head adjustment screw in more. If the pressure doesn't budge at all, then I would bet that you have a faulty regulator.

Hey chris... I have a spare cartech if you need it.

>well if you only have 20 lbs of fuel pressure on stock
>injectors, then that is why your car is not idleing. My guess
>is that you have the fpr hooked up incorrectly. make sure you
>have the regulator "out" line running to the return line, and
>the "in" line running to the fuel rail. If it is hooked up
>properly, then try turning that allen head adjustment screw in
>more. If the pressure doesn't budge at all, then I would bet
>that you have a faulty regulator.

Ok, thx for the input first off all :thumbsup

Yes it is hooked correctly. Out is goin to the fresh return line. In is goin right to the rail. I guess my real question is "If the ML is not sealing correctly will that cause the MAP sensor to cut my fuel to 20 lbs?" If not then my problem is else where. TIA

I know this problem has been resolved, but just for the record (and archives) the car has absolutely no control over the fuel pressure other than what is provided by a mechanical, vacuum-regulated fuel pressure regul;ator. The ecu can in no way, shape, or form, increase or lower the fuel pressure.

OK guys, I got it fixed. I checked all my fuel lines and electrical connections to the aux pump 84 times, I swear. Everything was right. For the hey of it, I changed the ground to the relay and aux pump to something a bit more solid. Put a shit load of gasket sealant on the Missing Link. Car Immediately started and idled on its own. No escaping air from the ML. Checked my idle fuel pressure....51 lbs w00t! Thx for the ppl that gave me advice.

Good job man.

I didn't want to come off harsh or anything. I was just really, really confused by all the "chips coming out of the TB opening!!" :P ;-)

Have fun with it man and way to hang in there to all of my abuse. :thumbsup (here to help though, really!)

hey dude, did not mean to sound like a ass also.. just a bit confused on your post since some of us did not understand why a ml attachss to a tb..
we all make little mistakes. hehe
Michael 99gs
HRC Stage 2 @12psi :D
Stage 3 process begins gathering parts for rebuild
2GNT Member #32

http://www.dreamwater.net/purplebeast

Yeah, I was tired as hell, working on the car 8 hours straight. covered in 91 octane, oil, antifreeze, you name it. bleeding from umpteen places. Thx for the input guys.

I'm gonna take a pic of my intake mani where the MAP goes in. It is seriously hosed.