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39730, JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by ner947, Feb-23-03 04:14 PM
it took 2 weekends of greasy, back breaking, knuckle scraping, oily labor and almost exactly 3 months of waiting, but my HRC turbocharged 2GNT is now back on the road. i have a lot of pictures, stories, and movies, so i'll see what i can do.

first of all, the biggest pain in the whole rebuild was dealing with the flywheel. some people said that the thing should just come out, all that was needed was to disconnect all of the transmission bolts and the shortblock should come out. well, that would work if the engine bay was 2 feet wider. some said that there was a hidden access port. there was, but it was so hidden that we didn't find it until so late in the job that it didn't really matter. i wasn't looking in the right place. it's next to the oil pan and you need to remove the clutch actuator in order to take it off. once you remove the "top secret panel that no one including the chilton's manual wants to talk about" the flywheel bolts are reachable.

the UDP was a bitch too. it's on there TIGHT! we had to stick a heat gun on it for 20 minutes to get it off last weekend, and this weekend we had to put it in the oven for 20 minutes at 400 degrees which wasn't enough to get it on the crank all the way so we had to do the heat gun trick some more. we used a rubber mallet to bang it on.

the "black death" plastic sheild thingy that covers up all the timing belt goodies sucked too. i'm convinced that it's only reason for exsisting is to make life difficult. it was tricky to actually take the thing apart. i (obviousally) decided against putting it in after the rebuild.

the new injectors and the S-FMU (2.72" 3:1 disc) rock! SO much better than the CrapTech and the stock injectors. 415 cc/min with a 28-30 psi idle is really nice. i'm getting about 50 psi at 0 vacuum and a little over 60 at 3 psi of boost (no boost controller, wastegate set to 5 psi connected to the compressor housing with an intercooler and fubar piping) i never saw EGT's rise about 1200 during the test drive and while i was seating the piston rings. the blinky autometer gauge was pinned at the green LED all the way to the right while boosting, which leads me to believe that my fuel trims are REALLY rich. i'll leave it that way for now, until i can get my datalogger working and have a look at the short/long term fuel trims.

i installed the "1995-1999 eclipse" motor mounts from Summit Racing too. i didn't notice a large change in vibration, the only time i really felt them at all was at idle, and it's hard to notice unless you're really looking for it.

haven't installed the Walbro yet. going to do that next weekend along with the Blitz EVC if it comes. i'll turn the boost up so i actually get 5 psi, and keep it there until i hit 3000 miles. then i'll do about 12-13, and keep it there until i can get an ITC and a FMIC over the summer.

getting all of the gaskets i needed was a joke. autozone was so on crack that they gave me a 93-97 SOHC neon headgasket, the 4G64 valve cover gasket, and a bunch of other useless things even know i MADE ABSOLUTELY SURE that they were getting me the gaskets i needed for a "97 eclipse non-turbo 2.0". i returned the gaskets and said "fuck it, i'll just go to satan" and got the stock MLS headgasket, a valve cover gasket, and the spark plug donut thingies for a grand total of $66.10. a pretty decent price if you ask me, one of the satan's around here tried to charge me $112 for just a head gasket.

well, that's about it. i'll post pictures and movies of this weekend once i get all of the content on my computer and can find a place to host them.

what you guys thing?
39731, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by jsupetran, Feb-23-03 04:20 PM
oops double post.
39732, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by jsupetran, Feb-23-03 04:20 PM
wow congrats man!!!

(pats ner on the back):thumbsup

so your fully built for boost now huh?
39733, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by JasonESi_T, Feb-23-03 04:24 PM
I think that's a great job!

My rebuilt engine has just been completed as well, and is ready for pickup at the machine shop, so I'm guessing in the next month or so, I'll be doing the same thing you did.

Congrats!
39734, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by RyaN95i4, Feb-23-03 04:27 PM
>415 cc/min
>with a 28-30 psi idle is really nice. i'm getting about 50 psi
>at 0 vacuum and a little over 60 at 3 psi of boost (no boost
>controller, wastegate set to 5 psi connected to the compressor
>housing with an intercooler and fubar piping) i never saw
>EGT's rise about 1200 during the test drive and while i was
>seating the piston rings. the blinky autometer gauge was
>pinned at the green LED all the way to the right while
>boosting, which leads me to believe that my fuel trims are
>REALLY rich.
>



lol, yea just a tad rich ;)

i run ~25psi fuel pressure at idle w/ 315s and ~60-65psi of fuel pressure @ 7psi and im WAY rich (like 10:1 on the wideband ;) )

and remember stock at 0 vacuum, u were running ~44psi w/ 235cc's ;)




congrats on getting evrythign up and running
39736, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by PowerEclipses, Feb-23-03 04:49 PM
damn man thats awesome! i cant wait, im stoked to put my bottom end in, should be a month from now
39737, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by ner947, Feb-23-03 04:59 PM
got some pictures. here they are:





and movies :P

http://134.88.226.158:443/ner947/MOV00008.MPG
http://134.88.226.158:443/ner947/MOV00038.MPG
http://134.88.226.158:443/ner947/MOV00049.MPG
39740, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by ez, Feb-23-03 05:21 PM
good job. man that block is perty. do all the howells come in that color?

>>>the "black death" plastic sheild thingy that covers up all the timing belt goodies sucked too. i'm convinced that it's only reason for exsisting is to make life difficult. it was tricky to actually take the thing apart. i (obviousally) decided against putting it in after the rebuild.



ha ha, we all have similar terminology for that plastic POSPITA thingy. 20k until I have to do that belt change, can't wait :rolleyes
39744, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by ner947, Feb-23-03 05:46 PM
don't really know about the color. i'm guessing that the blue is just engine primer, i thought about painting it black like my intake manifold and turbo, but i decided to leave it blue. i kind of like the blue. besides, it's hard to put your signature on something that's already black.
39753, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by Glacius, Feb-23-03 07:03 PM
ugh, i couldn't deal with the flamer blue so i repainted mine metallic candy apple blue to match the rest of the engine bay.

my 2.2 howell built stroker should fire up tomorrow. i know where you're coming from on just about everything lol, though i didn't have a problem finding the access plate.

looks good man, break it in right too :)
39741, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by spicyMitsu, Feb-23-03 05:24 PM
:thumbsup
39759, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by Ryan_Hes, Feb-23-03 08:25 PM
Kickass......I would kill for it... Enjoy.

Hopefully within the next year or 2 I'll be able to afford it..:-)
39766, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by spicyMitsu, Feb-24-03 03:48 AM
how are you running those injectors? safc?
39784, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by ner947, Feb-24-03 05:58 AM
right now they're just tuned pig rich off of a S-FMU. i have the 3:1 disc in, and i need to do a lot of tuning. didn't have a chance to really do much last night after i got it running, i had to get back to college.

i'll probably end up matching up the boosted fuel curve as much as possible with the S-FMU and adjust idle with the S-AFC. would much rather have the S-AFC fooling with ignition timing at idle and in vacuum than in boost.
39794, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by Fast420A, Feb-24-03 09:14 AM
The paint color is one of Mopar's Engine Color's from back in the day.


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39801, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by extreme97nt, Feb-24-03 12:46 PM
Nice Job man looks sweet. I cannot wait until i am done with my motor to put in. Do you need to worry about anything with the belt cover off? I wouldent want something to get in there
39802, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by XtremeRS, Feb-24-03 01:07 PM
nah, i have had my t-belt covers off for quite some time now, and no probs at all. It makes taking out that damn motor mount plate MUCH easier. Just dont get too close to the cam gears when the car is on :o
I've even pressure washed my engine several times and soakes the t-belt area, and have had no probs.
39807, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by fly1, Feb-24-03 01:45 PM
Nice looking engine. Looking at the pic, our engine is really small:-) It rocks though!
39823, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by Strauss, Feb-24-03 04:13 PM
Glad to hear she is up and running!! :thumbsup
39828, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by ner947, Feb-24-03 04:45 PM
yeah i'm pretty happy too. if all goes well with everything and i'm able to save up enough cash for a FMIC and whatnot i'll be running 13's at the shootout. if i'm REALLY lucky i'll get a LSD.
39835, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by Glacius, Feb-24-03 06:54 PM
gggrrr, just started mine up today and pinched the water pump gasket so i gotta take it down and pop the timing cover off again.

Congrats on the trouble free start up.

http://bbs.asog.net/viewtopic.php?t=43023 <<< there's a link to mine with a bunch of pics if you're interested, i got their 2.2 stroker.

one question, did your 2.0 come with a crank scraper too? My 2.2 got one and that wasn't even mentioned in the description
39850, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by PowerEclipses, Feb-25-03 04:26 AM
What kind of clutch are you running? what kind of exhaust do you have? and injectors? I'm basically trying to figure out what stage I will be in after my rebuild, I will be running 15 psi so Im sure thats atleast stage 3
39854, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by ner947, Feb-25-03 06:15 AM
mine didn't come with a crank scraper. howell sent the weirdest gaskets too, some of which i didn't even use. couldn't figure out what half of them were for.

i still have the stock clutch. i bet it won't last very long at 12-14 psi after i finish breaking the engine in. i can't really afford a new clutch/flywheel right now (modular) so i'll probably keep the boost around 10 psi for now. i'm using the 415 cc/min HRC injectors, they're really nice. i got rid of the CrapTech regulator and upgraded to the S-FMU. my exhaust system is pretty fubar. my downpipe has a small dent in it from the previous owner running over a stop sign, and i have a flowmaster 60 series delta flow intermediate-back. i can't wait for the ERT downpipe (it's taking forever :P) to be released so i'm able to build myself a brand new turbo-back. 2.5" to the test pipe, then 3" from there back. i'm looking into getting a greddy evolution, i hear it's quieter than the apexi n1. having a completely new exhaust system should be a big improvement.
39856, RE: JUST finished rebuild including the howell shortblock...
Posted by MR BLUNT 2gnt, Feb-25-03 06:26 AM
its b/c that gasket set is for a neon not an eclipse..most of the stuff you'll use but i had a ton left over as well...